Wednesday 15th April 2020

Post by **refitman** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 6:39 am

Morning all.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:57 am

Morning all.

I'm currently in the queue for the pharmacy. This could take some time! We really have been lucky with the weather. I'm not sure I'm going to like this very much in the rain, but with the sun shining and the birds singing it's not a completely unenjoyable break from a normally hectic life.

Edited to add, it would, of course, be utterly mind numbingly boring without mobile connection, mind!

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:06 am

"Andy Burnham
@AndyBurnhamGM
At my press briefing later, I will address the change in @RishiSunak’s approach from “you will not be forgotten” a few weeks ago to “we can’t protect every household” yesterday. National unity is what will get us through this. And that is built by looking after everyone fairly.
10:51 AM · Apr 15, 2020"

I've noticed the change in tone as well. Good that Burnham has picked up on it. Saying one thing and doing another has worked well so far for Boris and co but not so much with this pandemic with their promises for more PPE, more testing etc actually being followed up by the press and found wanting. So now we're moving to Plan B and the gradual nudge towards lower expectations and it's really important the opposition calls them out on this and resist it as we can't rely on the media to unfortunately.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:31 am

In everyday parlance there is ( well, certainly used to be ! ) an expression "shower of shit" , which is apposite to describe the lack of quality and achievement of this UK government in just about any sphere except misinformation and disinformation.

Gosh. I'd really like to see a LOTO who was able to call them just " a shower " , and elaborate on it, leaving the hearers to understand EXACTLY his/her contempt for the bunch of criminal incompetents holding office at the mom.

Emily Thornberry has form, could show her opinion that way. Most of the others can only say lots of words , getting no headlines ...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:39 am

There are various ways of expressing such sentiments in public. The late and still lamented John Smith knew how to do it without even hinting at any naughty words

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 12:12 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:There are various ways of expressing such sentiments in public. The late and still lamented John Smith knew how to do it without even hinting at any naughty words

But he's been gone a looong time . Perhaps a hint of naughty is one of the very few things which might possibly get the English media going .... !

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 12:32 pm

It appears that both Starmer and Rayner are doing a Q&A session with Labour members (remotely, of course) later today.

I wonder what they might get asked about......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 1:07 pm

Good morfternoon.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 1:20 pm

Morning/Afternoon (it's still before lunch for me)

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 1:22 pm

Hmmm, I thought we were going to get all those spoiled feckless students to do it?

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 1:48 pm

450 won't go very far, but I suppose the establishment must have its asparagus.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 1:51 pm

They'll be staying a while, shouldn't think Romania will let them back in anytime soon.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 1:54 pm

I thought it was pensioners? Or the 'economically inactive' like me and RoT

Seriously, though, did anyone really think leaving the EU was about reducing immigration as opposed to reducing immigrant rights.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 1:57 pm

My guess is that Starmer's thinking on ending lockdown is on the same lines as this thread, but he's going to have to be a bit more specific to make the point given the media's tolerance of govt obfuscation.

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Phil Syrpis
@syrpis
The pressure to lift the lockdown is growing. Case rates will start to fall. But unless the Govt has both the capacity to test/trace at huge scale, and also a detailed plan for how that will work, there can be no exit strategy.

I wonder if anyone at all has confidence that the govt is working on this behind the scenes.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 2:12 pm

gilsey wrote:
I wonder if anyone at all has confidence that the govt is working on this behind the scenes.

Maybe that's what Starmer is trying to find out - at least they could say "yes, we're working on the stages of easing the lockdown even though we can't say when that will be."

A suitable analogy...where I worked we had a complicated production system, with lots of storage tanks, processes etc.

Shutdown (planned or unplanned) and startup had to be done in stages - you couldn't simply shut everything off - tanks had to be emptied first before going onto the next bit. So it was all to a set plan.

I can't imagine they'll just say "Right, open everything up - everybody back to work and back to normal."

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 2:17 pm

Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan
One thing that's surely obvious from my excruciating
@GMB
exchanges with Care minister Helen Whately today is that she is completely out of her depth & should be replaced by a heavyweight minister who can better handle the mounting & devastating care home #coronavirus crisis.

'heavyweight minister'

If you didn't laugh you'd cry.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 2:48 pm

Good morfternoon, everyone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 3:22 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
gilsey wrote:
I wonder if anyone at all has confidence that the govt is working on this behind the scenes.
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I can't imagine they'll just say "Right, open everything up - everybody back to work and back to normal."

(cJA edit)
I think they might, Roger.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 3:33 pm

The likes of Toby Young actually might, I can't imagine the government doing so given how much they have claimed to be following "the science".

Post by **adam** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 3:50 pm

With apologies if these have been linked to aleady, Afua Hirsch and Paul Mason's 'Covid Report' are very good - 40 minute (ish) videos of a range of very well informed people discussing things. They are here

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 6:12 pm

Still no HindleA?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 6:54 pm

Sky has been in regular contact with him, maybe ask next time they show up on here?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 7:06 pm

adam wrote:With apologies if these have been linked to aleady, Afua Hirsch and Paul Mason's 'Covid Report' are very good - 40 minute (ish) videos of a range of very well informed people discussing things. They are here

Thanks Adam, this one from yesterday is extremely good --
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It is 30 minutes. If in doubt... check out the comments, then you Will watch it !

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 7:11 pm

Willow904 wrote:Still no HindleA?

Mr citizen and I haven't had success reaching HindleA yet.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 7:16 pm

No, nothing to report here, either.

GetYou · Post by **GetYou** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 7:44 pm

adam wrote:With apologies if these have been linked to aleady, Afua Hirsch and Paul Mason's 'Covid Report' are very good - 40 minute (ish) videos of a range of very well informed people discussing things. They are here

Whereas this, well, this is the opposite: https://twitter.com/TPMLiveWire/status/ ... 8326501377

I can't believe we've had 18 previous attempts to sort this out and not succeeded

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 9:25 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Sky has been in regular contact with him, maybe ask next time they show up on here?

I've tried all avenues of communication at my disposal including his home and mobile numbers to no avail. Mobile goes straight to voicemail so it's turned off. When was the last time anyone saw him here?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 9:50 pm

ITMA !

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"" clivewill 7m ago
Bojo’s social care plan has been revealed to be geronticide. If enough of us crusties die there will be care home places for whoever is left. ""

Herd culled !

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 9:58 pm

WWE wrestling deemed an 'essential service' in Florida.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52285742

I demand the return of World of Sport and Big Daddy vs Giant Haystacks.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:12 pm

Kendo Nagasaki. (sp?)

Post by **adam** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:21 pm

One of my favourite memories of 'watching' live 'sport' was being chased across the arena by Crybaby Cooper after he was disqualified from a bout.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:26 pm

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Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:28 pm

I'm wondering if anyone still has any faith in the advisors flanking the minister of the day?

Even Tom Newton Dunn yesterday was wondering why they were showing a graph of figures that weren't remotely comparable, and when asked if there was anything they regretted in the way the virus has been handled so far Whitty simply burbled a load of 'it's too soon to tell' nonsense, while the Irish sounding lady (apologies I know neither her name nor job) dodged the question with a load of platitudinous bollocks.

If Scotland can make the effort to at least try to work out what percentage of deaths are occuring in care homes why not England? Is it a lack of resources or a lack of will? Because as soon as you add care home deaths like Germany, France and Ireland are doing that utterly misleading graph is going to look a whole lot worse, and closer to reality.

I understand that high profile careers and reputations are at stake here, and of course that should concern us all, but maybe, just maybe being told the truth in the middle of a pandemic is a tiny bit more important.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:30 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Sky has been in regular contact with him, maybe ask next time they show up on here?
I've tried all avenues of communication at my disposal including his home and mobile numbers to no avail. Mobile goes straight to voicemail so it's turned off. When was the last time anyone saw him here?

Ah well, that is a shame.

Genuinely hope that he is OK, especially given that in one of his most recent posts here he was not optimistic about avoiding this wretched virus.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:31 pm

Ok so is it safe to say nobody has seen Hindle posting here since the lockdown began?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:39 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:https://worldgravywrestling.com/

That would be better if the contestants had to wrestle dressed as vegetables or roast beef or a chicken breast.

In fact why not just bring back 'It's a Knockout'?

Without Stuart Hall of course.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:52 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:I'm wondering if anyone still has any faith in the advisors flanking the minister of the day?

Even Tom Newton Dunn yesterday was wondering why they were showing a graph of figures that weren't remotely comparable, and when asked if there was anything they regretted in the way the virus has been handled so far Whitty simply burbled a load of 'it's too soon to tell' nonsense, while the Irish sounding lady (apologies I know neither her name nor job) dodged the question with a load of platitudinous bollocks.

If Scotland can make the effort to at least try to work out what percentage of deaths are occuring in care homes why not England? Is it a lack of resources or a lack of will? Because as soon as you add care home deaths like Germany, France and Ireland are doing that utterly misleading graph is going to look a whole lot worse, and closer to reality.

I understand that high profile careers and reputations are at stake here, and of course that should concern us all, but maybe, just maybe being told the truth in the middle of a pandemic is a tiny bit more important.

Lack of will, unless by lack of resources you mean lack of intelligent ministers.

Watch the Covid Report adam referred to earlier, these are the sort of people we need to be hearing from.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 10:55 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Ok so is it safe to say nobody has seen Hindle posting here since the lockdown began?

22 March last day

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:03 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Sky'sGoneOut wrote:Ok so is it safe to say nobody has seen Hindle posting here since the lockdown began?
22 March last day

Thank you CJA. This is good news.

You see I'm trying to narrow the time of Hindle's last posting here down because if it coincides with the lockdown then he's probably at his mother's house. I'm sure he won't mind me telling you all* that he'd given up work at the beginning of the year to care for his mother, so there's every possibility he's isolated himself there and forgotten his phone charger. It wouldn't be the first time he's forgotten it and as an explanation it both makes sense and is considerably more appealing than any alternative.

*This is an outright lie, but under the circumstances and all that.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:29 pm

So let's look at the facts shall we?

(Tries to decide which detective he wants to be, considers Holmes but not a fan of opium, opts for Miss Marple).

Fact 1 - CJA last sees HindleA active online on the 22'nd March 2020.

Fact 2 - Lockdown begins 23'rd March 2020

Fact 3 - HindleA caring for mother commuting between his and her house.

fact 4 - HindleA known to be quite capable of forgetting his phone never mind the charger.

Conclusion - HindleA is in all probability isolating himself at his mum's house and his left his mobile at home.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:40 pm

Thank you, Mr Gradgrind.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:41 pm

I've never read a Dickens novel in my life.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:51 pm

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:51 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:I've never read a Dickens novel in my life.

I didn't read Dickens until I was in my mid-thirties.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:52 pm

I love you all.
I need some sleep.
Goodnight, everyone.
cJA

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 15 Apr, 2020 11:57 pm

@citizenJA

Night night.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 16 Apr, 2020 12:09 am

To be fair I was simply working through the evidence to reassure myself.

I have been known to make mistakes.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 16 Apr, 2020 12:23 am

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Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 16 Apr, 2020 12:23 am

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 16 Apr, 2020 12:27 am

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