FlyTheNest

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 6:24 am**

Morning all.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 7:05 am**

Good morning, everyone.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 7:47 am**

I think Boothby Graffoe sums up what's happening quite well.

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Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 7:55 am**

creative expression is powerful medicine

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 9:07 am**

Morning all.

This and the one underneath is probably the reason that so many Tory MPs want rid of Cummings. Why would you want someone controlling the government you serve in when he pretty much thinks all of you are useless and a waste of space?

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Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 9:54 am**

refitman wrote:I think Boothby Graffoe sums up what's happening quite well.

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That's very good.

This one's a bit more high-brow.

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Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 10:07 am**

Morning all. Thanks for the songs, they have perked me up a bit.

I take it you have all seen Paddy McGuiness' effort yesterday? It's a bit more low brow!

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 10:10 am**

Yes, saw that one.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 10:12 am**

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

This and the one underneath is probably the reason that so many Tory MPs want rid of Cummings. Why would you want someone controlling the government you serve in when he pretty much thinks all of you are useless and a waste of space?

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It's quite apparent that he thinks we're all a waste of space.

What does it tell you if the only person he has any respect for is Gove?

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 12:41 pm**

If he doesn't have any for Sunak, despite their having worked together, I suppose that says something too. Though I'm not sure precisely what

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 1:48 pm**

Cummings spectacle is doing what it was meant to do
control where people focus energy, anxiety, anger
preposterous story keeps attention distracted

UK's mortality rate one of the highest in the world
government failed in their primary function
government continue failing in their primary function
all government cares about is maintaining their control, nothing more

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 2:04 pm**

Are people looking toward government expecting assistance, responsible action? Serious question. I think people have been indoctrinated to regard government as something that's just there, outrageous and demonstrably incompetent. But in leadership. Are people demanding government change before more people die?

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 2:11 pm**

citizenJA wrote:Cummings spectacle is doing what it was meant to do

Really not convinced by this.

I think they are sufficiently out of touch that Johnson genuinely thought backing him to the hilt on Sunday would end the matter.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 2:21 pm**

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Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 2:29 pm**

The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:01 pm**

From the G liveblog:

The schools minister, Nick Gibb, has told MPs it is “difficult to say” whether the government’s ambition for primary schools to reopen to all pupils this summer term will be met.

He told the education select committee that the final decision on the wider reopening of primary schools before September will depend on whether transmission rates continue to decline.

The prime minister, Boris Johnson, is pushing for pupils in reception, year one and year six at English primaries to return from 1 June, to be followed soon after by other years.

The thing is, they haven't even made a decision about R, yr1 and yr6 yet. I got an e-mail from the kids academy this morning saying they have been preparing for June 1st but have been told the final decision won't be made until tomorrow, the 28th, which is rather short notice to say the least. I'd be curious to know what parents of children in those years feel about the way this is being handled and the way in which the 5 tests which were supposed to dictate when it would be safe to ease lockdown measures don't appear to apply to either teachers or them and their children. Saying further children can only return if cases are sufficiently declining raises serious questions about why any children should be returning until this is the case.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:10 pm**

Good morfternoon.

West Midlands police and crime commissioner David Jamieson said officers are reporting people breaking lockdown rules and using Dominic Cummings as an excuse, amid fears Boris Johnson’s key aide’s actions are undermining the government’s public health messaging. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:34 pm**

Willow904 wrote:The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.

Yes, if this business makes their general handling of the pandemic toxic for the government - then they are in real bother.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:35 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:If he doesn't have any for Sunak, despite their having worked together, I suppose that says something too. Though I'm not sure precisely what

Sunak is a creep.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:36 pm**

Willow904 wrote:The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.

I was suggesting it as a conspiracy theory sort of thing. I shouldn't have attributed cunning when it's more government failure.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:42 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.
Yes, if this business makes their general handling of the pandemic toxic for the government - then they are in real bother.

Our boiler was serviced this am, Cummings wasn't mentioned by the repair man, his first comment was that it was time we got back to normal. Quite clear from the conversation that the UK excess death numbers hadn't got through to him. 'Might be a bit more' than other countries. Most of the people dying in care homes would have died anyway.

Made me sad, actually.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:43 pm**

citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote:The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.
I was suggesting it as a conspiracy theory sort of thing. I shouldn't have attributed cunning when it's more government failure.

I don't think they're above appropriating a PR shambles as a distraction, making the best of a bad job.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:54 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.
Yes, if this business makes their general handling of the pandemic toxic for the government - then they are in real bother.

yes, please. Worst possible government for a pandemic. Madness. I hope I'm around a couple decades from now reading accounts of it while responsibly governed.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 3:56 pm**

gilsey wrote:---
Our boiler was serviced this am, Cummings wasn't mentioned by the repair man, his first comment was that it was time we got back to normal. Quite clear from the conversation that the UK excess death numbers hadn't got through to him. 'Might be a bit more' than other countries. Most of the people dying in care homes would have died anyway.

Made me sad, actually.

damn it

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 4:02 pm**

gilsey wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote:The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.
I was suggesting it as a conspiracy theory sort of thing. I shouldn't have attributed cunning when it's more government failure.
I don't think they're above appropriating a PR shambles as a distraction, making the best of a bad job.

What's the PR shambles costing this government? I'm not argumentative for the sake of it. They don't care. Most UK peoples could vanish and this government would be fine with that.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 4:16 pm**

Is anyone here watching Boris Johnson? Not impressive. Or even half-way coherent.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 4:24 pm**

gilsey wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.
Yes, if this business makes their general handling of the pandemic toxic for the government - then they are in real bother.
Our boiler was serviced this am, Cummings wasn't mentioned by the repair man, his first comment was that it was time we got back to normal. Quite clear from the conversation that the UK excess death numbers hadn't got through to him. 'Might be a bit more' than other countries. Most of the people dying in care homes would have died anyway.

Made me sad, actually.

He may have felt differently if it had been his mum or dad who had died prematurely, though, as quite a few Tory MPs are now discovering as they go through their constituency e-mails.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 4:47 pm**

Bloody hell.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 5:07 pm**

gilsey wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Willow904 wrote:The Cummings story isn't a distraction. It's fundamental to the whole mishandling of the coronavirus crisis, underlining what was already suspected - that the government has failed to limit the spread and impact of the virus because they failed to take a very real and potent threat to the health of the nation seriously enough.
Yes, if this business makes their general handling of the pandemic toxic for the government - then they are in real bother.
Our boiler was serviced this am, Cummings wasn't mentioned by the repair man, his first comment was that it was time we got back to normal. Quite clear from the conversation that the UK excess death numbers hadn't got through to him. 'Might be a bit more' than other countries. Most of the people dying in care homes would have died anyway.

Made me sad, actually.

Such people are however a minority, according to the polling (yes, I know)

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 5:32 pm**

I hate to say it but there were some good questions from Jeremy Hunt.

Though it makes his time as Health Secretary even worse in a way as he's clearly capable of running the department and the NHS well, so he must have made an active choice not to!

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 5:41 pm**

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Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 5:44 pm**

At least Matt Hancock doesn't have a hard act to follow.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 6:48 pm**

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Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
PM has just said “I’m not giving you a deadline right now. I have been forbidden from announcing any more targets”
By whom? He’s the *actual prime minister*
4:44 PM · May 27, 2020

WTF?!

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 6:58 pm**

https://twitter.com/fant1345/status/1265635471520137217

Just about sums up where we are.
I'd love to be in New Zealand right now.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 6:58 pm**

Willow904 wrote:

Beth Rigby
@BethRigby
PM has just said “I’m not giving you a deadline right now. I have been forbidden from announcing any more targets”
By whom? He’s the *actual prime minister*
4:44 PM · May 27, 2020
WTF?!

Liz getting involved, must be

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 8:48 pm**

Should I be strongly aspirating my h's or not?
I'm overwrought.
the air smells of a tire bonfire
should I delete this post?

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 8:49 pm**

channelling HindleA

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 9:06 pm**

People with cancer, liver disease or severe asthma have been dropped from the UK government’s coronavirus shielding list by text message before their doctors have been able to speak to them.

The decision to remove people with various health conditions from the shielding programme has caused upset. The text also informed people they would no longer qualify for government food parcels.

Many who received the messages last Friday believed they were fake. But the government has since confirmed the texts are correct and are official government communications.

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Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 9:16 pm**

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Nice bit here from EmilyIsobel this morning --

" The government simply hasn’t got any clue about the way schools actually operate and how it could be made to work. It would make more sense to repeat this school year for all students from September and put the school and university starting age back a year. It would better prepare current year 13s for university and would give both schools and universities more chance to work on a better model for a mix of online and face to face teaching. Research departments could still operate in universities with government funding and current 3rd year students would be able to take more time to get their degrees completed, especially considering the graduate job market is currently in disarray.

The government needs to work on ensuring that there isn’t a second peak, which will be inevitable if there is a rush back to normal- saying it will have to be a ‘new normal’ whilst there isn’t the time to make major organisational changes to make a new normal possible will just end up with a complete disaster. ""

More thinking than the supposed PM has put into the future of education ...

or anything else .

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 9:23 pm**

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/ ... gs-remarks

Emily Maitlis replaced for Newsnight episode after Cummings remarks.

This is sickening.

I saw the 'offending' section and all she did was provide an introduction to a piece that backed up every single thing she said, including the fact that Cummings broke the lockdown rules no matter how you look at it. And now she's being reprimanded?

What an absolute fucking joke.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 10:24 pm**

So let's just review where we are.

Political advisor known for lying transparently lies to nation.
Prime Minister known for lying transparently lies to nation to defend him.
Journalist tells the truth about this backed up by factual evidence and is reprimanded by the state broadcaster which issues an apology.

In what fucked up banana republic did this happen? Why brexit Britian of course, that magical utopia where Unicorns abound and we're all free from the malign influence of unelected bureaucrats.

I'd be laughing if I wasn't spitting so many feathers.

And to all those unhappy brexit voters who think Cummings should be fired (more than half of them according to the polls) I think I'm going to scrawl 'I told you so' across my bare arse, take a picture, then have it psychically projected straight into your stupid fucking heads. You idiots.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 10:37 pm**

Sky'sGoneOut wrote: And to all those unhappy brexit voters who think Cummings should be fired (more than half of them according to the polls) I think I'm going to scrawl 'I told you so' across my bare arse, take a picture, then have it psychically projected straight into your stupid fucking heads.

Do it. It's your civic duty.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 10:45 pm**

Not only reprimanded, but 'replaced' .

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 10:48 pm**

I'm going to try to get some sleep now.
Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 10:49 pm**

Willow904 wrote: He may have felt differently if it had been his mum or dad who had died prematurely, though

I'm sure he would, that's what made me sad, he didn't much care as long as it didn't directly affect him. Natural tory voter I suppose.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 11:01 pm**

I watched the David Allen Green video on the FT so yoiu don't have to - it's a 25 minute long line by line takedown of Cumming's statement which makes it very clear that it's legally drafted witness statement which admits only precisely what was already unquestionably in the public domain - his very good description is that 'it seeks to explain or explain away the evidence'.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 11:01 pm**

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Daniel Kawczynski@DKShrewsbury

I had to decline Newsnight interview last night on Mr Cummings as I find
@maitlis
to be extraordinarily aggressive,unnecessarily rude, biased & confrontational to point of intimidation. This behaviour would not be tolerated in any normal workplace so why do we accept from #BBC
8:53 PM · May 27, 2020

I thought that was only when she interviewed Barry Gardiner.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 11:03 pm**

frog222 wrote:
" The government simply hasn’t got any clue

That's it.

Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 11:09 pm**

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WOOHOO ! Hole in ONE !

This begins at 5 minutes, at 7.20 Jenkin begins to put the boot in . Watched till minute 12.

Jenkin, a headmaster with a " VERY naughty boy" !

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Posted: **Wed 27 May, 2020 11:09 pm**

gilsey wrote:
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Daniel Kawczynski@DKShrewsbury

I had to decline Newsnight interview last night on Mr Cummings as I find
@maitlis
to be extraordinarily aggressive,unnecessarily rude, biased & confrontational to point of intimidation. This behaviour would not be tolerated in any normal workplace so why do we accept from #BBC
8:53 PM · May 27, 2020
I thought that was only when she interviewed Barry Gardiner.

He went on 'I'd rather be appearing on a platform with European neo-fascists'.

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