Tuesday 30th June 2020
Posted: Tue 30 Jun, 2020 6:44 am
Morning all.
1. Thousands of test and trace callers failed to find a SINGLE contact of a coronavirus patient, investigation reveals. World Beating.
2. No medical staff at any test centre. In Germany, medical staff is a requirement. World Beating.
3. People testing without PPE. World Beating.
4. 25,000 private tracing recruits found only 15,000 contacts while 870 NHS staff found. 98,000. World Beating.
5. £1.7bn wasted on the private sector when this could have been given to NHS to save lives. World Beating.
6. GPs failed to receive test results for thier patients. World Beating.
7. Health professionals declare the uselessness of the outsourced test and trace service. World Beating.
8. Johnson stated that no country in the world has a functioning Test Trace and Track system in place. Oh really? Germany. World Beating.
9. In excess of 60,000 avoidable deaths. World Beating indeed.
10. 331 Tory MPs voted against weekly testing of NHS and care staff. Panorama found cross infections taking place with care staff unknowingly carrying the virus and spreading. Jeremy Hunt advocated testing and then voted against testing NHS staff. World Beating.
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Lockdown coming to a place near you soon.""
Rather than win people's trust by reducing the spread with effective testing and tracing, the government appears to have opted to simply bully them back to work.Parents in England who fail to send their children back to school in September will face fines unless they have a good reason for them not attending, Gavin Williamson, the education secretary, has said.
The work and pensions secretary, Thérèse Coffey, has indicated benefit sanctions will be reintroduced this week as UK jobcentres start to reopen after lockdown, saying it is “important” claimant rules are reinstated.
Words.RogerOThornhill wrote:what's that all about?
Perhaps associating their small selves with great historical figures is part of of their strategy for wheedling themselves into the unconscious of the great British public, as in the negative sense of identifying lefties with Stalin and the antichrist Marx ? ( In the US the welfare states of Europe are portrayed as 'socialistic nightmares' by the new US UltraRight.)RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Lots of people pointing out that this £5bn is a drop in the ocean compared to what we normally spend and comparisons to FDR's New Deal are laughable.
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I just looked up the OBR's databank and this year's gross capital investment is...£112bn.
Interesting that Gove also referenced FDR in his speech last week - what's that all about?
George Eaton @georgeeaton
By comparison, FDR’s New Deal represented *40% of GDP* (Johnson’s is 0.2%).
'arrogant truth twisters'There is going to be an urgent question in the Commons later about Sir Mark Sedwill, who has been forced out of his post as cabinet secretary and national security adviser. He will be replaced as national security adviser by David Frost, the PM’s Europe adviser, who is a political appointee and who does not have a national security background. Unusually, at about the same time, 12.30pm, the same issue is going to be raised in the Lords, where George Robertson, the Labour peer and former Nato secretary general, has tabled a PNQ (private notice question - the Lords version of UQ).
In his Telegraph column today (paywall) William Hague, the former foreign secretary and former Tory leader, is fiercely critical of the treatment of Sedwill. Hague is normally quite supportive of the government, but he says the briefings against Sedwill were “reprehensible” and that Boris Johnson should have put a stop to them. Hague also says that is is worried about Sedwill being replaced by a political figure. He explains:
'If we want the most promising people to serve the country, they have to come from varied points of view. All of us who have dealt with US administrations have witnessed the nightmare of changing long lists of officials when a new President comes in, leading to extended vacancies, loss of expertise and serious damage to diplomacy.
The latest briefing, reported in this newspaper, that the new Cabinet Secretary has to be a “Brexiteer” is not the way to go about appointing them. Of course, he or she will have to be very good at delivering Brexit, but that’s a different requirement. Some civil servants are brilliant at executing policies they didn’t vote for themselves.'
In her column in the Times (paywall) today, Rachel Sylvester quotes an unnamed “friend” of Sedwill saying he will actually be quite relieved to get away from Johnson’s dysfunctional No 10. The source told her:
'He’s fed up with them. There’s only so much you can put up with and the way they operate is appalling.'
gilsey wrote:Jacinda's having none of it, anyway.
Jacinda Ardern decries 'dangerous' calls to reopen New Zealand borders
A variation on Polluter Pays & "taking responsibility" ! Just imagine applying that to the Great British Holidaymaker ?"" She said those leaving New Zealand for non-essential reasons could be forced to pay for their mandatory two-week quarantine upon returning – to the tune of thousands of dollars.
She is seeking legal advice to confirm she could implement such a rule.""
They're stupid as hell following that course, nothing will snuff the Tory candle faster than thisWillow904 wrote:From the G liveblog yesterday:
Rather than win people's trust by reducing the spread with effective testing and tracing, the government appears to have opted to simply bully them back to work.Parents in England who fail to send their children back to school in September will face fines unless they have a good reason for them not attending, Gavin Williamson, the education secretary, has said.
The work and pensions secretary, Thérèse Coffey, has indicated benefit sanctions will be reintroduced this week as UK jobcentres start to reopen after lockdown, saying it is “important” claimant rules are reinstated.
He admires himself generally, that Collins cartoon was spot on.citizenJA wrote:Gove admired himself and his preposterous speech, he's that deluded
Ardern is a leader of a nation making responsible and rationally proportionate action during a global pandemicfrog222 wrote:gilsey wrote:Jacinda's having none of it, anyway.
Jacinda Ardern decries 'dangerous' calls to reopen New Zealand bordersA variation on Polluter Pays & "taking responsibility" ! Just imagine applying that to the Great British Holidaymaker ?"" She said those leaving New Zealand for non-essential reasons could be forced to pay for their mandatory two-week quarantine upon returning – to the tune of thousands of dollars.
She is seeking legal advice to confirm she could implement such a rule.""
Going by experience, as soon as there's a sniff of Cv19 classes and/or whole schools will be put in quarantine, back to 'schooling' children of essential workers ETC.citizenJA wrote:They're stupid as hell following that course, nothing will snuff the Tory candle faster than thisWillow904 wrote:From the G liveblog yesterday:Rather than win people's trust by reducing the spread with effective testing and tracing, the government appears to have opted to simply bully them back to work.Parents in England who fail to send their children back to school in September will face fines unless they have a good reason for them not attending, Gavin Williamson, the education secretary, has said.
The work and pensions secretary, Thérèse Coffey, has indicated benefit sanctions will be reintroduced this week as UK jobcentres start to reopen after lockdown, saying it is “important” claimant rules are reinstated.
Bullying parents during a global pandemic dethrones the idiots trying it.
Some of it is simply trolling, that has always been a significant part of the Cummings psyche. And who knows, maybe an experiment to see just how totally credulous and gullible our media stenographers can be (which is totally unsurprisingly "extremely so" in many cases)frog222 wrote:Perhaps associating their small selves with great historical figures is part of of their strategy for wheedling themselves into the unconscious of the great British public, as in the negative sense of identifying lefties with Stalin and the antichrist Marx ? ( In the US the welfare states of Europe are portrayed as 'socialistic nightmares' by the new US UltraRight.)RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Lots of people pointing out that this £5bn is a drop in the ocean compared to what we normally spend and comparisons to FDR's New Deal are laughable.
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I just looked up the OBR's databank and this year's gross capital investment is...£112bn.
Interesting that Gove also referenced FDR in his speech last week - what's that all about?
I liked this in the thread--George Eaton @georgeeaton
By comparison, FDR’s New Deal represented *40% of GDP* (Johnson’s is 0.2%).
(cJA edit)AnatolyKasparov wrote:---
Some of it is simply trolling, that has always been a significant part of the Cummings psyche. And who knows, maybe an experiment to see just how totally credulous and gullible our media stenographers can be (which is totally unsurprisingly "extremely so" in many cases)
Mrs May, who appointed Sir Mark Sedwill to both roles when she was PM, told MPs that during her nine years as a member of the National Security Council, she had "listened to the expert, independent advice from national security advisers".
She asked Mr Gove how Mr Frost's appointment squared with remarks he made in a recent speech on civil service reform on the need to "promote people with proven expertise".
"Why is the new national security adviser a political appointee with no proven expertise in national security?"
Told you so.gilsey wrote: Anything they actually do will almost certainly be destructive.
That's on a par with badgers moving the goal-posts.this government will shortly bring forward the most radical reforms to our planning system since the end of the second world war.
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the newt-counting delays in our system are a massive drag on the productivity and prosperity of this country
The real Johnson peeking out there.I believe it is also the job of government to create the conditions for free market enterprise and yes we clap for our NHS, but under this government we also clap for those who make our NHS possible our innovators, our wealth creators, our capitalists and financiers.
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Boris Johnson says "newt counting" is the cause of slow building in the UK.
According to the Conservative Party's own detailed analysis, that is, I'm afraid, bollocks
AnatolyKasparov wrote:He admires himself generally, that Collins cartoon was spot on.citizenJA wrote:Gove admired himself and his preposterous speech, he's that deluded
"Every morning I wake up saddened by the fact we haven't done more to make the most of every talent in our land, reproaching myself that we did not do more..."
I wonder how many people will follow his "advice"?gilsey wrote:The real Johnson peeking out there.I believe it is also the job of government to create the conditions for free market enterprise and yes we clap for our NHS, but under this government we also clap for those who make our NHS possible our innovators, our wealth creators, our capitalists and financiers.
This is causing quite a bit of chatter on social media today. Vast majority negative. This particular bit prompted a very caustic response from one poster:Exclusive: What Schools Will Be Told To Do In September So All Pupils Can Return
The gist was some doubt about the state's ability to instil discipline, given the complete lack thereof among the government and its own advisors throughout.A new focus on tackling “persistently disruptive” pupils because increased poor behaviour is seen as more “likely” due to a lack of regular schooling and discipline in lockdown
Johnson is actively trying to counter the raised awareness of how wealth and money are basically impotent without the people who do the jobs we want doing.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I wonder how many people will follow his "advice"?gilsey wrote:The real Johnson peeking out there.I believe it is also the job of government to create the conditions for free market enterprise and yes we clap for our NHS, but under this government we also clap for those who make our NHS possible our innovators, our wealth creators, our capitalists and financiers.
Johnson is actively trying to counter the raised awareness of how wealth and money are basically impotent without the people who do the jobs we want doing.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I wonder how many people will follow his "advice"?gilsey wrote:The real Johnson peeking out there.I believe it is also the job of government to create the conditions for free market enterprise and yes we clap for our NHS, but under this government we also clap for those who make our NHS possible our innovators, our wealth creators, our capitalists and financiers.
AK -- i don't follow as closely as some of you, but he has seemed too placating of the Bozo Régime, "tone" too bloody neutral .... tho he has shown some definite steel too .AnatolyKasparov wrote:Having said what I did about Farage's "praise" of Starmer last night, I think we can also be grown up and admit that in this instance the Labour leader got his tone wrong. Now during the Corbyn years "tone" was an obsession of centrists, now its left wingers who notice it more. Bur sometimes, it does matter. And constructive criticism is good.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... incoherent" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Then we got down to the nitty-gritty. Boris didn’t want to draw comparisons with Franklin D Roosevelt’s New Deal, though if others did, he wasn’t going to complain. Only FDR had spent 40% of US GDP on a whole load of job creation schemes, while Boris was stumping up the princely sum of 0.2% of UK GDP. Or £5bn of old money that had already been promised in the March budget.
As so often with Boris, his whole speech was based on a lie. He was acting as if he was announcing something new when the money had already been accounted for. You can get away with recycling old columns for the Daily Telegraph, but you quickly get found out as prime minister.
Cause mayhem and let somebody else clean it up, it is straight out of the Johnson playbook.
‘You wanted your freedom back and now you’ve got it – just don’t blame the Government’. ‘You wanted the local public health directors to take charge, well it’s all down to them now’. ‘Never mind about testing and tracing, Deloitte and Serco are sitting pretty and so will the party election funds when the time comes’.
Interestingly one of the core parts of current risk assessments is that any 'bad behaviour' (I know what a loose and loaded descriptor that is but it will do for the moment) would not be tolerated at all and kids would be home again for the rest of the current arrangemetns. Don't know if anything has actually happened about that, although with so few students in it seems unlikely. My issue for September- well there are lots but my main issue is that I think it's likely that if they get people to accept that it's safe for kids to go back 100% and full time (and there are lots of issues about that) then,regardless of safety, adults will just have to make that work. I have a meeting about risk assessments tomorrow (first day back - getting a lift with someone who lives locally, has recently had a baby and has been shielding) and whilst it's really about now the important stuff is going to be about September. I honestly cannot imagine any way it can possibly work other than saying to adults working in schools 'just shut up and get on with it'.Willow904 wrote:This is causing quite a bit of chatter on social media today. Vast majority negative. This particular bit prompted a very caustic response from one poster:Exclusive: What Schools Will Be Told To Do In September So All Pupils Can Return
The gist was some doubt about the state's ability to instil discipline, given the complete lack thereof among the government and its own advisors throughout.A new focus on tackling “persistently disruptive” pupils because increased poor behaviour is seen as more “likely” due to a lack of regular schooling and discipline in lockdown
Ouch!
How? Y11 and Y13 students dropped off the provision map nationally once it was clear there would be no summer 2020 exams. They're going to sit exams in the Autumn with no teaching since March? In schools which are under orders to make current Y10 and Y12 the big catch up priority and everyone else the not much smaller catch up priority?GCSE and A-level pupils in England who are unhappy with their predicted grades this summer will be able to sit exams in all subjects in the autumn to try to improve their mark, the exams regulator has confirmed.