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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 5:48 am 
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 9:24 am 
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Morning ! Here's a very good one from the MEN , on the utter lunacy of Tory misgovernment
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Going back to the 19th Century, medical officers of health for municipalities such as Manchester were in charge of suppressing outbreaks of the Victorian diseases plaguing dirty water supplies or overcrowded, unsanitary housing.

So public health directors are steeped in this kind of scenario. And in this case their expertise is also crucial to avoiding a second 21st Century mass shutdown of the economy.

Yet they have been denied the tools they need.

From early-May onwards, as we’ve covered extensively, they were unable to access any data from tests carried out in privately-run testing labs procured by the government.


https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n=sharebar


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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 9:30 am 
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rt-say-mps

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the Treasury select committee identified more than 1 million taxpayers who have received nothing from the chancellor’s schemes, and the grassroots organisation, Excluded UK, estimates that between 3-5 million taxpayers in total have been locked out of support.

The affected groups include, among others, the PAYE freelancers, limited company directors who pay themselves through dividends, sole traders earning more than £50,000 a year, and new starters.

I have some sympathy for the first and last of those categories, but the other 2 can, in sky's phrase, f*** right off.

People pay themselves through dividends to avoid tax and then expect the taxpayer to bail them out?

Lots of people finding out the hard way just how appallingly inadequate our social security is.

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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 9:32 am 
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As well as the jaw-dropping £15bn for PPE in yesterday's statement, there was £10bn for test and trace.

If they bunged that money to local authorities we'd have a 'world-leading' system in no time.

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As well as the jaw-dropping £15bn for PPE in yesterday's statement, there was £10bn for test and trace.

If they bunged that money to local authorities we'd have a 'world-leading' system in no time.
where'd all that money go?
We've not got an operationaly test and trace system and workers didn't get their PPE


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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 10:53 am 
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citizenJA wrote:
gilsey wrote:
As well as the jaw-dropping £15bn for PPE in yesterday's statement, there was £10bn for test and trace.
If they bunged that money to local authorities we'd have a 'world-leading' system in no time.
where'd all that money go?
We've not got an operationaly test and trace system and workers didn't get their PPE
Money's gone to friends of course ! Anywhere except where it can actually solve Covid problems . Here the GP's organisations have refused extra payment for initial screening and tracing, the local private and hospital and other research labs process the tests, and fulltime career civil servants seconded for that do any extra tracing needed . No data protection bullshit applies as all are sworn-in professionals already.
A few € millions have gone into the development of virology/serology tests by existing labs around the country .


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Morning ! Here's a very good one from the MEN , on the utter lunacy of Tory misgovernment
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Going back to the 19th Century, medical officers of health for municipalities such as Manchester were in charge of suppressing outbreaks of the Victorian diseases plaguing dirty water supplies or overcrowded, unsanitary housing.

So public health directors are steeped in this kind of scenario. And in this case their expertise is also crucial to avoiding a second 21st Century mass shutdown of the economy.

Yet they have been denied the tools they need.

From early-May onwards, as we’ve covered extensively, they were unable to access any data from tests carried out in privately-run testing labs procured by the government.


https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... n=sharebar


To these people private is best, always. Public local government is ideologically contaminating.


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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 11:35 am 
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Oh dear.

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Andy Street, the mayor of the West Midlands, may be particularly upset that Birmingham’s John Lewis is closing.... as he opened it less than five years ago when he ran the retailer!

Back in 2015 Street, then the managing director of John Lewis, was gushing about Birmingham’s prospects. He reckoned the city was enjoying an economic revival, after being neglected too long by politicians who focused on London or the North.

Pledging that the new John Lewis store would boost the economy, Street declared:

“Let’s be clear, manufacturing is a success story here now. Jaguar Land Rover is an incredible success story. We could have been like Detroit – the fact is this is nothing like Detroit, this is an economic revival.

There will be a Harvard business case about the revival and the change in the economy here.”

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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 12:28 pm 
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Mentioning him makes me recall the Labour campaign for that post in 2017 - almost quite literally the worst thing ever.


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Here the GP's organisations have refused extra payment for initial screening and tracing, the local private and hospital and other research labs process the tests, and fulltime career civil servants seconded for that do any extra tracing needed . No data protection bullshit applies as all are sworn-in professionals already.
A few € millions have gone into the development of virology/serology tests by existing labs around the country .
(cJA edit)

a successful strategy, for sure


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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 1:34 pm 
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And all this gushing over Sunak just because he brandished some big numbers around, is embarrassing.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
And all this gushing over Sunak just because he brandished some big numbers around, is embarrassing.
Quite.


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Chief justice John Roberts wrote the 7-2 opinion that the president is not categorically immune from grand jury requests. Both supreme court justices nominated by Trump, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, sided with the majority.

“Two hundred years ago, a great jurist of our Court established that no citizen, not even the President, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding,” Roberts wrote in the decision. "We reaffirm that principle today and hold that the President is neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas seeking his private papers nor entitled to a heightened standard of need.”

Supreme court rules Trump's tax returns may be turned over to grand jury


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Trump has been impeached by the US House of Representatives.
Trump can't be pardoned by anyone.


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I think Trump requires medical help.
I think anyone caring at all for the man needs to get him help.


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Chief justice John Roberts wrote the 7-2 opinion that the president is not categorically immune from grand jury requests. Both supreme court justices nominated by Trump, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, sided with the majority.

“Two hundred years ago, a great jurist of our Court established that no citizen, not even the President, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding,” Roberts wrote in the decision. "We reaffirm that principle today and hold that the President is neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas seeking his private papers nor entitled to a heightened standard of need.”

Supreme court rules Trump's tax returns may be turned over to grand jury


A partial win tbh, as Congress still isn't going to get to see them as things stand. But nonetheless welcome.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
And all this gushing over Sunak just because he brandished some big numbers around, is embarrassing.


https://twitter.com/Wrexit/status/1280977923823017984/photo/1


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
And all this gushing over Sunak just because he brandished some big numbers around, is embarrassing.

Anyone gushing over Sunak should be reminded that he's in that job because he has less self-respect than Sajid Javid.
Spineless creep.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
And all this gushing over Sunak just because he brandished some big numbers around, is embarrassing.

https://twitter.com/Wrexit/status/1280977923823017984/photo/1


Rishi (Nobody Needs Masks!) Sunak ...


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“The virus is still out there, it’s looking for more people to infect and we need to stop it getting a grip.
Obesity is actually problematic and that’s one of the things that we could do something about.”

Dr Jenny Harries thetimes.co.uk 9 July 2020


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PostPosted: Thu 09 Jul, 2020 7:23 pm 
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“The virus is still out there, it’s looking for more people to infect and we need to stop it getting a grip.
Obesity is actually problematic and that’s one of the things that we could do something about.”
Dr Jenny Harries thetimes.co.uk 9 July 2020
Wearing masks might be more fast-acting Dr Harries ? (Just a thought !) Citoyenne, have a Crace -- https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -unnoticed


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Goodnight, everyone.
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It's impressive how the Graun is still finding people that didn't vote for Labour and thought Corbyn would be the worst thing ever. :toss:


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