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Trade Bill being debated today --
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Examples of ISDS cases include the Canadian government being forced to pay damages to a toxic waste treatment company, and being forced to pay damages to the manufacturer of a gasoline additive thought to pose a risk to public health.

Other examples include an unsuccessful bid by tobacco company Philip Morris to sue the Uruguayan government for introducing anti-smoking legislation, arguing that the policies devalued its cigarette trademarks and investments. The tribunal took six years to find in favour of the government.

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Liveblog 8.22

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The test and trace programme is central to easing the lockdown and getting the economy growing again. The ICO should have taken action but did not. We were forced to threaten judicial review to ensure that people’s privacy is protected.

The ICO and parliament must ensure that test and trace is operating safely and lawfully. As we have already seen individual contractors sharing patient data on social media platforms, emergency remedial steps will need to be taken.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... a9868ec99d

So, Serco can hire people off the street to do the job done by my GP and local career public servants who are already routinely trusted to maintain confidentiality ... what could POSSIBLY go wrong ?


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One of Serco's tracing call centres is in Motherwell, despite working for England, and guess what, there's a virus outbreak.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... anarkshire

According to this it's run by Sitel, who they?

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One of Serco's tracing call centres is in Motherwell, despite working for England, and guess what, there's a virus outbreak.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... anarkshire
According to this it's run by Sitel, who they?

Shit-useless management at a US $bn Co.
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A number of workers from the contact trace team, who worked on the ground floor where they carried out coronavirus tracing on behalf of the Department of Health and Social Care, have been infected with the virus the girl claims.

She believes that there were not enough safety measures put in place by the call centre giant and that her team were freely able to move throughout the building.

The whistleblower, from East Kilbride, is now awaiting her own test result and fears it may also be positive.

She said: “This is the most hypocritical thing ever, for the place to get it to be the Track and Trace people.


https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scot ... s-22381514

“Basically the only precautions Sitel had taken were sending half the people to work from home. But they then brought more staff in anyway.


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Shit-useless management at a US $bn Co.

Yes, but did we know they were involved?

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Re my posts yesterday, good to see cJA appearing in the early hours.


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Apart from the usual stereotyping of pensioners, which as a left-leaning pensioner I find very annoying, this is worth a read.

https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot ... sness.html

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This collapse in class consciousness on the part of millions of working class people who've entered into retirement over this last decade was a long time in the works. It was assiduously deconstructed, deracinated and deposited in the receptacle of history.

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PostPosted: Mon 20 Jul, 2020 9:40 am 
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My parents carried on voting Labour so of course universal stereotypes are wrong as ever, but older people won it for both the Tories and Brexit.

(given that they are also the likeliest to both rely on and believe the papers/BBC for their news, it should be even less surprising)


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One of Serco's tracing call centres is in Motherwell, despite working for England, and guess what, there's a virus outbreak.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... anarkshire

According to this it's run by Sitel, who they?

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Post subject: Re: Saturday 11th & Sunday 12th July 2020
July 11th, 2020


NHS Test and Trace
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About infectious diseases contact tracing
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The number of contact tracers needed for COVID-19 is unprecedented so the Department of Health and Social Care has instructed the following organisations to help:
The NHS Business Services Authority, an arm’s-length body of the Department of Health and Social Care, which is managing the contracts with NHS Professionals, Serco UK and SITEL Group
https://www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk/
NHS Professionals, a limited company owned by the Department of Health and Social Care, which is recruiting and managing registered medical professionals to trace and provide public health advice to the contacts of people with COVID-19
https://www.nhsprofessionals.nhs.uk/
Serco UK, a private company, which is providing additional staff to call the contacts of people with COVID-19 and provide advice on self-isolation
https://www.serco.com/uk
SITEL Group, a private company, which is also providing additional staff to call the contacts of people with COVID-19 and provide advice on self-isolation
https://www.sitel.com/
Amazon Web Services, a private company, which is providing the secure storage location for the information collected by NHS Test and Trace
https://aws.amazon.com/

These organisations are only permitted to use information collected by NHS Test and Trace to help with the COVID-19 contact tracing. They are data processors acting on the instructions of the Department of Health and Social Care and cannot use the contract tracing information for any other purpose.

https://contact-tracing.phe.gov.uk/help/privacy-notice
I took a look at this and balked. I don't guess Thatcher expected people to run away frightened from private sector, from businesses, during a pandemic but here we are. Did she really believe big private businesses would be trusted by people? Serious question.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
My parents carried on voting Labour so of course universal stereotypes are wrong as ever, but older people won it for both the Tories and Brexit.

(given that they are also the likeliest to both rely on and believe the papers/BBC for their news, it should be even less surprising)

A wet December election won it for Tories. That and their miserable campaigning. Crooked as hell. I've been looking at the numbers again. It's scary, what passes for democracy.


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Shit-useless management at a US $bn Co.

Yes, but did we know they were involved?

Does everyone know the track & trace thing is illegal?
No privacy assessments.
I saw that ten days ago.


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@gilsey
check out those company websites
None of government's slapped together horseshit comes across as professional, secure, or organised. It's a half-dozen separate companies with separate websites, confusing and uncoordinated.
The use of the letters NHS is supposed to reassure in their half-assed track & trace thing. It doesn't.


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I got an invite for a COVID-19 test in the mail.


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Anyone else notice there's all kinds of work needing doing?
How can there be unemployment when there's all kinds of work needing to get done?
Up and down the country, in all countries, work needs doing.


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citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
My parents carried on voting Labour so of course universal stereotypes are wrong as ever, but older people won it for both the Tories and Brexit.

(given that they are also the likeliest to both rely on and believe the papers/BBC for their news, it should be even less surprising)

A wet December election won it for Tories. That and their miserable campaigning. Crooked as hell. I've been looking at the numbers again. It's scary, what passes for democracy.


Which makes it all the stranger why the LibDems in particular effectively forced one on that particular date.


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Apart from the usual stereotyping of pensioners, which as a left-leaning pensioner I find very annoying, this is worth a read.

https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot ... sness.html

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This collapse in class consciousness on the part of millions of working class people who've entered into retirement over this last decade was a long time in the works. It was assiduously deconstructed, deracinated and deposited in the receptacle of history.
Property ownership and/or counting on income from a couple properties? Is that more precise, more accurate? Or no. Please let me know if I'm mistaken.


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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
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My parents carried on voting Labour so of course universal stereotypes are wrong as ever, but older people won it for both the Tories and Brexit.

(given that they are also the likeliest to both rely on and believe the papers/BBC for their news, it should be even less surprising)

A wet December election won it for Tories. That and their miserable campaigning. Crooked as hell. I've been looking at the numbers again. It's scary, what passes for democracy.


Which makes it all the stranger why the LibDems in particular effectively forced one on that particular date.
Their polling was good. Look at all the votes they got. It's really quite outrageous so many votes can end up somehow saddling so many with a Tory MP most people didn't vote for.


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Anyone know of anyone chosen randomly for a COVID-19 test?


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Synairgen shares soar 300% on COVID-19 treatment, but caveats abound
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/biotech/s ... ats-abound
Is this economic horseshit the best we can do, people? I mean the economic system generally.


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Don't misunderstand me about the LibDems. No one should've gotten inveigled into that GE.


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Is there a royal wedding thing going on?
Everyone keep an eye out for what's really going on, please.


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Shit-useless management at a US $bn Co.

Yes, but did we know they were involved?
I had to go searching for it.


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citizenJA wrote:
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Shit-useless management at a US $bn Co.

Yes, but did we know they were involved?
I had to go searching for it.

Sub-header of the article-
Local cases confirmed by Sitel, the US firm that runs the affected site in Scotland
I still find it amazing that my (very) smalltown hardware and agricultural supplier has gels, masks, screens at the till, one-way systems, disinfected trolleys , and the US-privatised NHSC T&T callcentre has none of those . :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


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Don't misunderstand me about the LibDems. No one should've gotten inveigled into that GE.


Chuka Umunna told Jo Swinson they could win 200 seats, though.


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Don't misunderstand me about the LibDems. No one should've gotten inveigled into that GE.


Chuka Umunna told Jo Swinson they could win 200 seats, though.
I was being charitable.


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"Everyone should stay at home"
"But TfL revenues have fallen through the floor. Can we have a loan?"
"Sure. But we'll tell everyone it's your fault. And we'll stick 2 of our people on your Board. Oh, and tell you to stick the congestion charge up. But that's your fault too."

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I am pleased to also announce the appointment of the two government Special Representatives to attend the TfL Board; Andrew Gilligan and Clare Moriarty. They will also be able to attend TfL’s Finance and Programme Investment Committees. These positions required a specific skillset and have therefore been made through direct Ministerial Appointment.


From simply being a cheerleader for Johnson before he was Mayor, you have to admit that Gilligan has done well for himself.

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Wasn't there supposed to be an investigation as to who leaked Ofsted reports to Gilligan when the Trojan Horse issue was around?

I guess that might have slipped their mind...I wonder what damage that did to the reputation of the 20+ schools who had nothing to do with it?

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-on-china

psycho-raab-confused-at-being-the-biggest-dove-in-the-commons-on-china


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How to see Comet NEOWISE

You have to be up pretty late though, it needs to be properly dark.

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From tomorrow's DT...

Russia report: Kremlin 'tried to meddle in Scottish independence vote' - but did not target Brexit

In which case, why was Arron Banks so worried about it he was trying to stop publication?

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