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Morning all.
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Morning all.
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Wow. Some local directors of public health only heard about the change to the rules last night by switching on the TV. These are the people responsible for controlling the virus in their locality.
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8:12 AM · Jul 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
As Lucy Powell said in reply, it's not good enough.
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“” That’s the immediate priority – as an absolute minimum. But more broadly, the public knows this is not a good way to run contact tracing, and it is for all of these reasons that over two-thirds of those surveyed believe local public health teams and local health services should be in charge of the contact tracing system.

The Independent Sage group has already offered a solution that Hancock could take up easily. Put local authorities, local public health teams and local health services (including GPs and NHS laboratories) back in charge of testing and tracing in the community, and give them the resources to do this properly over the coming months and years. This is the system Wales and Scotland have opted for, as has Germany. That would be a test, track and trace programme the public could have faith in. “”
• Allyson Pollock is professor of public health research and policy at Queen Mary University of London and author of NHS plc: the Privatisation of Our Health Care

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... hs-private" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So IndySage is really recommending to just scrap all those £100mns of SECRET contracts then? Well, that's not going to happen is it ?

As pointed out yesterday in Sandwell, quote last night, the public is actually paying twice for Tracing , the local improvised teams working flat out and the Serco/Sitel lot often just sitting around, never knocking on a door !

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-s ... 00708.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Handcock has appointed McKinsey to investigate why his bright idea of octagonal wheels is not working better than those old-fashioned round articles …
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Daylight Robbery, Secret Contracts , Ch lccccxxiii
“” The British government has spent more than £5.5 billion of taxpayers’ money on personal protective equipment during the COVID-19 pandemic. Was it well spent? We have no way of knowing.

Not even a seventh of the government’s 600 PPE contracts have been published – meaning the public doesn’t know why a company was selected, what it is supposed to provide, who it is owned by, and whether it is solvent or suitably experienced.
....
Overall, public contracting in the UK is now worth an estimated £292 billion annually – one-third of the entire budget – and is one of the most strategically significant areas of government. What the coronavirus crisis shows is that we know too little about who the government pays to do what, and whether it works. “”
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-m ... st-change/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It began under labour , has been vastly expanded under this lot, and Covid has caused a Gold Rush !
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Paul Brand
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Wow. Some local directors of public health only heard about the change to the rules last night by switching on the TV. These are the people responsible for controlling the virus in their locality.
@BBCr4today
8:12 AM · Jul 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
As Lucy Powell said in reply, it's not good enough.
Seriously, why so shambolic?
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So that's one candidate out then...
No 10's new spokesperson job is the ultimate poisoned chalice
I can’t imagine why anyone would want to become Boris Johnson's new televised spin doctor – and I’m one of the favourites for the job

IAIN DALE
£100k is simply not enough for an established political pundit to do the job - who'd hire you afterwards when you're just seen as parroting out the government line all the time?
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In other news...
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Prime minister Boris Johnson has confirmed the spectator pilot schemes at The Oval and Edgbaston this weekend have been cancelled after a rise in the number of coronavirus cases in England.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote: Seriously, why so shambolic?
Pretty much this.
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Was there someone in the Department of health who finally read a briefing note at from a civil servant at 9 o'clock last night & ran to Hancock shouting "Shit, it's Eid tomorrow"
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But also today's news about restricting event attendances, more mandatory mask wearing etc. There's little rhyme or reason to it all.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Paul Brand
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Wow. Some local directors of public health only heard about the change to the rules last night by switching on the TV. These are the people responsible for controlling the virus in their locality.
@BBCr4today
8:12 AM · Jul 31, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
As Lucy Powell said in reply, it's not good enough.
Seriously, why so shambolic?
Government have probably seen data indicating COVID-19 infections have sky-rocketed
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Damned hot today, even in Cumbria. Must be fun for you southerners.......
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It could also be government is intentionally fomenting chaos
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Good afternoon, everyone.
Thank goodness for my friends here.
I don't know what I'd do without you.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Damned hot today, even in Cumbria. Must be fun for you southerners.......
West Midlands, me
I don't like it this hot
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30 earlier in Lower Normandy, 23 now !
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List of new Peers.

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No surprise to see Eddie Lister or Veronica Wadley given their links with BJ in his Mayor of London days.
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More...

Theresa May's husband gets a knighthood. Why?

Woodcock, Austin, Fields, Hoey, and Gisela Stuart get a peerage for services to shafting the country and not liking Corbyn.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... s_2019.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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North of England: local restrictions
If you live in one of the affected areas, in order to help prevent the spread of coronavirus, you should not:
----meet people you do not live with inside a private home or garden
----visit someone else’s home or garden even if they live outside of the affected areas
----socialise with people you do not live with in other indoor public venues – such as pubs, restaurants, cafes, shops, places of worship, community centres, leisure and entertainment venues, or visitor attractions.
----You may attend these venues with people you live with...but should avoid interaction with others.
----If you run such a business, you should take steps to ensure people do not interact with people they do not live with, in line with COVID-19 secure guidance
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/north-west- ... -cannot-do" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(cJA emphasis)

Why are visits in gardens banned but it's okay to go to pubs, restaurants, cafes, shops, etcetera as long as you avoid others?
How the hell will people running businesses know where people live?
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RogerOThornhill wrote:More...

Theresa May's husband gets a knighthood. Why?

Woodcock, Austin, Fields, Hoey, and Gisela Stuart get a peerage for services to shafting the country and not liking Corbyn.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... s_2019.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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but I'm now reaching the point of real despair
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A bit odd that there seems to be two lists...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... s_2020.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
13. Claire Fox – Director and founder of the Institute of Ideas.
14. Charles Moore – journalist and biographer.
:lol:

Claire Fox?

You know this one has come straight from the mind of Munira Mirza...from Revolutionary Communist Party to the House of Lords. You couldn't make it up...

And this one has Botham on it.

:roll:
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Fewer than half of the English public fully understand lockdown rules, a study has found. In an ongoing survey of more than 70,000 adults, researchers from University College London found that about 45% of respondents said they had a “broad understanding” of the current rules in England, with only 14% saying they understand the rules completely now lockdown has eased.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... s-measures" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
god help us all
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I alternate prayer and profanity when I despair
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I alternate profanity and prayer when I despair
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Well quite.
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citizenJA wrote:
Fewer than half of the English public fully understand lockdown rules, a study has found. In an ongoing survey of more than 70,000 adults, researchers from University College London found that about 45% of respondents said they had a “broad understanding” of the current rules in England, with only 14% saying they understand the rules completely now lockdown has eased.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... s-measures" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
god help us all
My daughter just asked if her friend can come in. I honestly don't have a scooby doo whether it's allowed or not. Or where I can check the rules. It's a mess.
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I only found out today that in early March in part of the extended family a couple of grandparents ( 76yo...) have had Covid, and two of their three children plus four grandchildren. One 43yo son-in-law does marathons and Ironman , or at least he DID . Now reduced to walking, and not very far at that.

Haven't yet seen any figs for Longhaul Covid which is similar to post-flu viral fatigue, ME, and very very debilitating.

Another reminder to inform oneself and not blindly trust the Useless Ones .
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I know it's the silly season but what the actual fuck is this?

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Think we need one of these...

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Oh, and then there's this...

https://www.thebrexitparty.org/contract/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Abolish the unelected House of Lords.

Hypocrisy they name is Fox twice over...
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RogerOThornhill wrote:A bit odd that there seems to be two lists...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... s_2020.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
13. Claire Fox – Director and founder of the Institute of Ideas.
14. Charles Moore – journalist and biographer.
:lol:

Claire Fox?

You know this one has come straight from the mind of Munira Mirza...from Revolutionary Communist Party to the House of Lords. You couldn't make it up...

And this one has Botham on it.

:roll:
Still hasn't renounced her support for the Warrington bombing, you know.

(remember when Aaronovitch slimily insinuated that Corbyn was in some way behind that?)
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RogerOThornhill wrote:I know it's the silly season but what the actual fuck is this?

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a McVey tweet
I just can't right now
I'll have to look at it later
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Think we need one of these...

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thank you, thank you
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Oops.
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Remember Crispin Odey,Johnson's close friend,hedge fund billionaire donor & brexit backer who said he'd had conversations with Johnson about pursuing a no-deal brexit..well he's just been charged with historic indecent assault! Oh the entitled elites Face with monocle
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Tweet just out from Department of Health @DHSCgovuk including the following information
If you feel unwell, it's vital you book a test immediately:
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If you test positive, one of our contact tracers will then help you trace your recent contacts and contain the virus.
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(cJA emphasis)
'help you trace your recent contacts'
People having tested positive with COVID-19 indicating who they've been in contact with recently is fine if well enough to do so but the way this tweet is worded makes it seem like it's the responsibility of infected people carrying out track and trace.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:I know it's the silly season but what the actual fuck is this?

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It actually cheered me up it was so absurd.
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citizenJA wrote:Tweet just out from Department of Health @DHSCgovuk including the following information
If you feel unwell, it's vital you book a test immediately:
http://nhs.uk/coronavirus" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;If you test positive, one of our contact tracers will then help you trace your recent contacts and contain the virus./b]
(cJA emphasis)
'help you trace your recent contacts'
People having tested positive with COVID-19 indicating who they've been in contact with recently is fine if well enough to do so but the way this tweet is worded makes it seem like it's the responsibility of infected people carrying out track and trace.
I clicked the link for a test , despite there being a supposed capacity of 350,000 .....There are no tests available right now
We are experiencing very high demand for testing at the moment. Please try again tomorrow.

More tests, both for drive-through sites and home delivery, will be made available tomorrow. Please visit this page then.

If your condition gets worse, or you do not get better after 7 days, use the NHS 111 online coronavirus service. Only call 111 if you cannot get help online. For a medical emergency, dial 999.
I read this one this morning --
" By the time Emma* started showing mild symptoms of COVID-19, she was presented with two options: request a Home Testing Kit or attend a drive-through testing facility. As Emma can’t drive, and social distancing meant getting a lift was impossible, she opted for the mail-order kit.

Emma made three attempts to access a Home Testing Kit. Each time she was told her identity couldn’t be verified and therefore she would not receive her test. Instead she was told to attend a drive-through testing centre.

“I thought I might have the virus so I tried to get a test,” Emma told openDemocracy.”In the process I learned in order to get a test you have to have a car you are capable of driving, or a credit check company needs to verify your identity.”

The identity verification for the NHS’s contact tracing programme is contracted to TransUnion, a US company who told openDemocracy they are “supporting the NHS response to the current pandemic in its provision of testing kits to those throughout the UK th
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I live in the country and do drive, so my GP'd book me in and then it's 20 minutes to one local lab. If i didn't drive they'd arrange it one way or another, an ambulance taxi up there or somebody coming to visit .

The craze for Centralisation and Secret £Bns Outsourcing predates Johnson/Cummings, but it is really fucking CRAZY !
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RogerOThornhill wrote:In other news...
The Cricketer
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But there's an audience at the snooker???
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Willow904 wrote:
My daughter just asked if her friend can come in. I honestly don't have a scooby doo whether it's allowed or not. Or where I can check the rules. It's a mess.
My niece and her family from Edinburgh are visiting my nephew and his family in Leeds for a few days, if he lived in Bradford instead of Leeds they'd have had to turn round & go back home again.
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gilsey wrote:My niece and her family from Edinburgh are visiting my nephew and his family in Leeds for a few days, if he lived in Bradford instead of Leeds they'd have had to turn round & go back home again.
I was supposed to be visiting a friend in Calderdale this Sunday and am seriously confused as to why Leeds has escaped this ban on visiting while Calderdale has a far lower infection rate. It makes a nonsense of the idea this is all down to Eid. Calderdale has a tiny Muslim population, there are more Muslims across the road from me than in the entirety of Halifax and Queensbury combined. Not that it stopped that idiot Tory MP from Calder Valley blaming it on those people. It doesn't make the slightest bit of sense, which comes as no surprise.
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gilsey wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:In other news...
The Cricketer
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Prime minister Boris Johnson has confirmed the spectator pilot schemes at The Oval and Edgbaston this weekend have been cancelled after a rise in the number of coronavirus cases in England.
But there's an audience at the snooker???
Not from tomorrow there isn't.
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Put a thermometer out this lunchtime in the shade and it reached 34° C.

I don't think I've ever felt heat like that in this country in my life, opening the front door was like opening the door to an oven.

Thor tried to help with a bit of thunder this evening but all he's managed to do is leave massive clouds that are keeping the heat in.

Dumbass.
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At least today we had Chris Whitty being bluntly honest.

Admitting that we can go this far but no further, we've reached a limit, and any further dicking about is going to make things very bad and kill even more people or just make them very ill with lifelong health consequences.

Given his previous performances I have to say that came as a bit of a welcome surprise.
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I was away when Tim Smith died...

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Goodnight, everyone.
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