Saturday 8th & Sunday 9th August 2020

[refitman]

Morning all.

[frog222]

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Sad to see this from my recently former MP and lovely local comrade.
Thelma Walker @Thelma_DWalker
I submitted evidence in good faith that it would be confidential and to ensure that the described behaviour would never happen again in Labour. If it has been leaked, I will need to leave my Party after 40+ years

SO ..... she knows exactly who leaked it, and why ? Thoughts ?

Attempting to answer my own question, does she mean that the new management (SKS & Co) leaked her evidence, evidence which I'm assuming was against the saboteurs ?
Other hypotheses are available ....

[AnatolyKasparov]

Who knows at this point, tbh.

[RogerOThornhill]

Morning all.

So...update on mask wearing:
Sainsburys / M&S - virtually 100% masked
Local newsagent / PO - virtually 100% unmasked.

Is this a "Well, I'm just popping in for a minute so it can't hurt" piece of reasoning?

Today is all about cricket and then taking 'er indoors for a scan while I find a patch of grass next to the car park where I can sit and read for 1 1/2 hours...

[frog222]

Masks are 'obligatoire' here . Full stop.

I was in the Leclerc hypermarché last week, and tho there wasn't the usual Security muscle in evidence, everyone was masked .

[AnatolyKasparov]

Morning all.

So...update on mask wearing:
Sainsburys / M&S - virtually 100% masked
Local newsagent / PO - virtually 100% unmasked.

Is this a "Well, I'm just popping in for a minute so it can't hurt" piece of reasoning?

Today is all about cricket and then taking 'er indoors for a scan while I find a patch of grass next to the car park where I can sit and read for 1 1/2 hours...

Yes, I would say so. FWIW most shops locally appear to be insisting on face coverings.

[RogerOThornhill]

It's taken just 12 months for Boris Johnson to create a government of sleaze

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -of-sleaze" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why is the government behaving this way? An obvious explanation is the 80-seat majority it won in December. The knowledge that parliamentary defeat is a distant prospect, and that you will not face the voters for four long years, can translate into complacency, even a sense of impunity. Johnson’s sparing of Cummings and Jenrick, when a more fragile prime minister would surely have felt compelled to fire them both, has emboldened those individuals and their watching colleagues. They’re not about to start shooting people on Fifth Avenue, as Trump once boasted, but like the US president, they believe they can get away with anything.

[Willow904]

Morning all.

So...update on mask wearing:
Sainsburys / M&S - virtually 100% masked
Local newsagent / PO - virtually 100% unmasked.

Is this a "Well, I'm just popping in for a minute so it can't hurt" piece of reasoning?

Today is all about cricket and then taking 'er indoors for a scan while I find a patch of grass next to the car park where I can sit and read for 1 1/2 hours...

It's similar here. Everyone seems to be wearing a mask in Tescos. Only about half, though, in the local Co-op. People with exempt conditions may be more likely to be shopping locally, so it's impossible to know how much is flouting the rules, but I've seen a lot of very fit and healthy looking younger people not wearing masks in local shops and I find it hard to believe they all have hidden disabilities. When I say younger, I mean 20s, 30s. All the teenagers I've seen have been wearing masks.

[frog222]

Morning all.
So...update on mask wearing:
Sainsburys / M&S - virtually 100% masked
Local newsagent / PO - virtually 100% unmasked.
Is this a "Well, I'm just popping in for a minute so it can't hurt" piece of reasoning?
Today is all about cricket and then taking 'er indoors for a scan while I find a patch of grass next to the car park where I can sit and read for 1 1/2 hours...

It's similar here. Everyone seems to be wearing a mask in Tescos. Only about half, though, in the local Co-op. People with exempt conditions may be more likely to be shopping locally, so it's impossible to know how much is flouting the rules, but I've seen a lot of very fit and healthy looking younger people not wearing masks in local shops and I find it hard to believe they all have hidden disabilities. When I say younger, I mean 20s, 30s. All the teenagers I've seen have been wearing masks.

I find that the standard Chinese surgical mask hardly interferes at all with breathing, especially for the relatively short time I spend shopping, so I reckon that some of the other people with 'hidden disabilities' could wear one too . There's a psychological element to that, which docs have pointed out, a panic reaction.

[Willow904]

I'm actually quite happy about exemptions for people with things like COPD or nerve related pain conditions, ASD related sensory issues or severe asthma etc.

Life is already pretty difficult for people with hidden disabilities, lockdown has been particularly difficult for those with extra needs and it does feel a little bit that compulsory face masks is primarily about enabling the fit and healthy to get back to "normal" without the inconvenience of queues and social distancing which has to date been effective but difficult for everyone. Masks, in contrast, are difficult for some people and not others and I feel we shouldn't be dismissive of those who are struggling with the new rule just because it's more convenient for most people. Especially when we don't know if compulsory masks will be as effective as social distancing which, here at least, it appears to be replacing rather than in addition to.

That said, it's clear some people are simply not bothering in some places which raises lots of questions about how you make them bother without penalizing those who genuinely struggle and how much compliance you need to make the policy effective and worthwhile.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Anyone about tonight?

[frog222]

Not for long !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sky'sGoneOut]

Never go to a barbecue, or indeed any social gathering, run by stuck up, well off lefty wankers who spend the evening dropping flagrant hints into the conversation of how generous they've been with local charities.

And if you do find yourself in such an unfortunate predicament drink as much of their booze as you can before snaffling a bottle and taking it somewhere as far away from their smug, self congratulatory bollocks as is humanly possible.

Ideally somewhere on the way home.

[frog222]

Reminds me of our annual jamboree for charities, Le Téléthon, which was organised by the chemist, possibly the richest man in town ...

[Sky'sGoneOut]

Hey Froggy, how are your tomatoes? The seedlings I put out in March are now over 6 foot tall and the first ripe fruit have appeared over the last couple of days.

My peas didn't do so well. I got a handful of pods but then they got murdered by slugs.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

Reminds me of our annual jamboree for charities, Le Téléthon, which was organised by the chemist, possibly the richest man in town ...

At least he's doing a worthwhile job, the couple who hosted this evening's soiree were an 'event manager' and a bloke who inherited his father's property portfolio. So essentially a landlord and...well god knows what. I'll give them one thing, the booze was good, no doubt previously procured for some event or other pre-Covid 19. I might be scum but I know my red wine and it was good. Not your Châteauneuf-du-Pape shit.

[frog222]

My packet of cherry tomatoes was first opened in 2016, I sowed on 28/3 and have been eating them for a week ! I also smuggled some loose in a card to Puerto Rico, where my little latina sis sowed them .

Important that you continue your anthropologising among the favoured class, we need all our spies . One of my cousins is a rentier, but devotes himself to Transition Towning in Brixton, and many other Good Works .

OTOH one niece is married to an inheritor of property and belongs to a country club where you have to PROVE your wealth to be a member . No kidding, I had to ask my sister to repeat it !

The British/English? caste system is alive and well, and tho by appearances and accent the upper lot may think me one of their own , they are er mistaken .

[Sky'sGoneOut]

I'm not so much a spy as a drunk assassin using my rapier wit as my weapon. Which does beg the question of how I myself and certain people around me are still alive.

Tesco Piccolo tomatoes grown from seed, from one single supermarket tomato I have spawned inumerable plants, given them to friends and neighbours. All those sites saying you can't grow tomatoes from the supermarket. Bollocks.

The British/English/Scottish caste system is more alive than it's ever been.

[frog222]

I think there was a recent G long read on the UK Caste system ?

One thing I love at my local beach is that the chalets and small houses stretching along a good mile were owned by a cross-section of society . So you have the bigger houses of doctors, vets, solicitors, beside those of successful plumbers, local farmers and fishermen, and builders, and because the State Education System is more prevalent here the original proprietors' grandchildren all still go to the same lycées .

[Sky'sGoneOut]

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[Sky'sGoneOut]

Sorry I have to move to eat the remains of the green olives stuffed with garlic that I brought home with me.

Snobs are cunts.

[frog222]

Let's see if we can wake some sleeping posters !
How Jeremy Corbyn and Labour Failed the Country Otto English 14 February 2020

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So WHO were the traitors who left his front bench ? Here's one --

2 SEPTEMBER 2016
Kate Green MP: Jeremy Corbyn still doesn’t get our concerns about sexist abuse

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She obviously left because JC was out of his depth intellectually ?

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[Sky'sGoneOut]

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[frog222]

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The only version of Peace Train I ever want to see is the one where you see the orchestra playing the same violins etc, while awaiting the American Bombs ?

[frog222]

(It was censored of course, he was out o f favour ... )

[Sky'sGoneOut]

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[Sky'sGoneOut]

One last garlic stuffed green olive...

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[Sky'sGoneOut]

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[PorFavor]

Night night.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

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[PorFavor]

Good morfternoon.

The Observer view on Tory fantasies about planning
Observer editorial

Robert Jenrick’s white paper will do little to solve the housing shortage (Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-planning

[PorFavor]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ct-cartoon

[gilsey]

My packet of cherry tomatoes was first opened in 2016,

Tomato seeds are known to last for years, never throw out an old seed packet.


I don't see why a supermarket fruit shouldn't have viable seeds, there's a lot of fuss made about prepping the seeds but it's not necessary.
There's a great deal of mythology around gardening.

[gilsey]

Good morfternoon.

The Observer view on Tory fantasies about planning
Observer editorial

Robert Jenrick’s white paper will do little to solve the housing shortage (Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-planning

They don't actually want to solve it, do they. It might take away some of the incentive to vote for them.

[gilsey]

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[AnatolyKasparov]

Good morfternoon.

The Observer view on Tory fantasies about planning
Observer editorial

Robert Jenrick’s white paper will do little to solve the housing shortage (Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-planning

They don't actually want to solve it, do they. It might take away some of the incentive to vote for them.

Yep, just like they don't want "Brexit" to ever actually be over.

[gilsey]

Yep, just like they don't want "Brexit" to ever actually be over.

They're in luck there.

[frog222]

Good morfternoon.

The Observer view on Tory fantasies about planning
Observer editorial
Robert Jenrick’s white paper will do little to solve the housing shortage (Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-planning

""The white paper also assumes a high degree of administrative competency, for which this government has not so far been notable."" Thanks, first LOL of the day !

[Willow904]

Is it just me or is there something very wrong about the way the following article is written? Surely the headline should be "Two thirds of companies are fraudulently claiming government money for employees that haven't been furloughed".

I can't see a link to the original survey, either:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... 9-lockdown" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Two-thirds of UK’s furloughed workers continued job in Covid-19 lockdown

Given many jobs were essentially halted during lockdown - in pubs, restaurants hotels etc - how was there any work for all these apparently fraudulently "furloughed" workers anyway? How do you pull pints from home?

[frog222]

Is it just me or is there something very wrong about the way the following article is written? Surely the headline should be "Two thirds of companies are fraudulently claiming government money for employees that haven't been furloughed".
I can't see a link to the original survey, either:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... 9-lockdown" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Two-thirds of UK’s furloughed workers continued job in Covid-19 lockdown

Given many jobs were essentially halted during lockdown - in pubs, restaurants hotels etc - how was there any work for all these apparently fraudulently "furloughed" workers anyway? How do you pull pints from home?

I checked all three links, no dice ! IMO a crazy article !

[AnatolyKasparov]

Its the Observer, don't forget.

[gilsey]

Is it just me or is there something very wrong about the way the following article is written? Surely the headline should be "Two thirds of companies are fraudulently claiming government money for employees that haven't been furloughed".

men significantly more likely than women to flout the rules of the scheme and work for their employer when they are not allowed to do so.

'Donna Ferguson is an award-winning journalist'

[frog222]

??? Awards easy to come by ???

[Willow904]

Is it just me or is there something very wrong about the way the following article is written? Surely the headline should be "Two thirds of companies are fraudulently claiming government money for employees that haven't been furloughed".

men significantly more likely than women to flout the rules of the scheme and work for their employer when they are not allowed to do so.

'Donna Ferguson is an award-winning journalist'

Hilarious.

"Mr Worker had been furloughed from his work at a bar which had been shut under lockdown rules but decided to flout the rules, turning up for work and pretending to pull pints and serve them to imaginary people, when he should have been sitting at home doing nothing, all without his poor, innocent employer's knowledge. Mr Employed, meanwhile, took his laptop home when furloughed from his office and flouted rules when he answered work calls his employer accidentally forwarded to his mobile and filed reports which his poor, innocent employer processed by mistake. Mrs Worker and Mrs Employed would also have liked to have flouted the rules without the knowledge of their innocent employer but were sexist towards themselves and did homeschooling instead, thus depriving their poor, innocent employers of even more unpaid, illegally claimed for furlough work which they had no idea about."

There, nailed it. Where's my award?

[RogerOThornhill]

It's almost like they've put in some "Oh God, no!" candidates so that it makes Andrew Neil look like a reasonable choice.

David__Osland
@David__Osland
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The short list for the new chair of the BBC includes Andrew Neil, Amber Rudd, Nicky Morgan and Charles Moore. Will no-one halt the insidious drift towards cultural Marxism at the top of elite liberal institutions?

Charles Moore? Just a an awful, awful person.

PTO