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Annual CQC report for 2013/14 apparently shows an NHS struggling to cope.

Denis Campbell has a piece in the Graun where as usual he mentions Mid Staffs yet Ctrl F & term Mid Staffs shows not a single result !

Anyway, here's the report & good luck to those of you who will fight Rusty & his Chicken sidekick who doubtless will be crowing all day.

http://www.cqc.org.uk/sites/default/fil ... report.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... -says.html
In recent days both the Labour Party and the Commons Environmental Audit Committee have urged the spending watchdog to examine the deal, which commits consumers to pay up to £17bn in subsidies to developer EDF over a 35-year period.
But the NAO confirmed on Thursday night that an investigation was in fact already well underway.
It announced the move in a little-noticed statement on its website on October 21st last year, the day the headline terms of a subsidy contract with the Government were unveiled.
First I've heard of it. (The NAO investigation, not the power-station!)
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Latest YouGov / The Sun results 16th Oct

Con 31% (nc)
Lab 32% (-1)
LD 8% (+1)
UKIP 18% (-1)

APP -22 (+4)
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Morning all...will be staying off t'interweb today...too much exposure to the twatty-twitterers who are now saying...

'Fraud may have said it wrong, but at least he's started a debate about the disabled and employment' (How the f**k did HE start the debate?)

'Labours' Angela Eagle misjudges public mood and gets heckled on QT - 'cos the audience know what Fraud meant, and it wasn't what he said'

...and finally...enough to put anyone off their cornflakes...it's all because that nasty hypocritical Ed Miliband is 'besieged'...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/norma ... nadequacy/

I'm just going out - I may be some time - if I don't come back you can 'ave me biscuits ;)
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What is conspicuous by its absence in the echo chamber of no debate-can anybody hazard a guess.Of course to point out the irony of the proven incompetent pontificating about the deemed "less able"would be scrupulously ignored.Good trick to play -you're too thick to understand we will talk for you,if you proffer a different view you're being used.
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Have we done James Brokenshire being rebuked by Andrew Dilnot on "net migration" lies?

Oh, Morning btw
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Have we done James Brokenshire being rebuked by Andrew Dilnot on "net migration" lies?

Oh, Morning btw
He can add Hunt to that as he said on QT that it had gone down a quarter since 2010 when in fact it has risen slightly.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Have we done James Brokenshire being rebuked by Andrew Dilnot on "net migration" lies?

Oh, Morning btw
He can add Hunt to that as he said on QT that it had gone down a quarter since 2010 when in fact it has risen slightly.
The exact wording was "Net migration has been reduced by a quarter under this government"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... e-16102014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

About 12:50 in.
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Bit of a counter-punch to the reports in the papers this week ''the dodgy dossier on NHS errors''

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Give ... ui2EIhnFBM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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RogerOThornhill wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Have we done James Brokenshire being rebuked by Andrew Dilnot on "net migration" lies?

Oh, Morning btw
He can add Hunt to that as he said on QT that it had gone down a quarter since 2010 when in fact it has risen slightly.
Morning Roger

Liars, liars, liars.

Apparently Brokenshire said it had fallen a quarter since its peak under Labour. But that had already happened when Labour left government! Since when it fell further then climbed back again to, as you say, slightly higher than when the Coalition took over.

Unscrupulous, lying charlatans.
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Bit of a counter-punch to the reports in the papers this week ''the dodgy dossier on NHS errors''

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Give ... ui2EIhnFBM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks lets skip

Great piece.

I've been having a go at Dame Julie whose latest meme is it's time to separate the NHS from politics. Clueless.
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Bit of a counter-punch to the reports in the papers this week ''the dodgy dossier on NHS errors''

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Give ... ui2EIhnFBM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I've just given that to rusty to pore over - no doubt he'll ignore it.

Intriguing that he posted the CQC report as expected but then said:
No surprises there then. I’ll be reading the report this morning, but thankfully The Telegraph has summed it up for us in this article, entitled ‘Four in five NHS hospitals not safe’.
Hmm...
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It's Friday! Let's see what Solomon Hughes thought about the goings on at the tory party fringe :

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-bd ... nd-a-canap" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Here's Brokenshire repeating the net migration lie in Parliament

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 3-0001.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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In other news, the economic miracle is going so well that the Bank is going to hold interest rates down.

I'm no economist, but I think we might have quite some work to do here over the next 7 months calling Osborne when he blames everyone but himself for the floundering economy.

While I'm on that, a reminder that when he blames the Euro for falling exports jump on him, because the most recent figures show it is exports to non-EU countries that have stalled.
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I think I'm liking the new populist Labour policy on challenging the price of footy tickets ;-)
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This piece on the OBR and tax receipt forecasts completely nails the economic "miracle".

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/1 ... DV20141017" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Office for Budget Responsibility had forecast that income tax receipts would rise 6.5 percent this financial year, but so far they are down compared with 2013/14
High tax earners have delayed payments to take advantage of a tax cut.

Low earners don't earn enough to pay tax.
Separately, official figures showed the tax gap - the difference between the amount of tax due and the amount actually collected - increased to 6.8 percent in 2012/13, or 34 billion pounds, from 6.6 percent in 2011/12
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Dr Éoin Clarke ‏@LabourEoin 8m8 minutes ago
#Breaking England's A&E sink to their worst performance in 537 days. Total crisis on our wards in the run up to Xmas http://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp ... s6152b.xls" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
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RogerOThornhill wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Bit of a counter-punch to the reports in the papers this week ''the dodgy dossier on NHS errors''

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Give ... ui2EIhnFBM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I've just given that to rusty to pore over - no doubt he'll ignore it.

Intriguing that he posted the CQC report as expected but then said:
No surprises there then. I’ll be reading the report this morning, but thankfully The Telegraph has summed it up for us in this article, entitled ‘Four in five NHS hospitals not safe’.
Hmm...
Well of course, the Telegraph is such an impartial commentator isn't it?
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Bit of a counter-punch to the reports in the papers this week ''the dodgy dossier on NHS errors''

http://myemail.constantcontact.com/Give ... ui2EIhnFBM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I've just given that to rusty to pore over - no doubt he'll ignore it.

Intriguing that he posted the CQC report as expected but then said:
No surprises there then. I’ll be reading the report this morning, but thankfully The Telegraph has summed it up for us in this article, entitled ‘Four in five NHS hospitals not safe’.
Hmm...
Well of course, the Telegraph is such an impartial commentator isn't it?
It wasn't that but the fact he was going to be reading the full report - presumably at work.

I asked why he would be doing that but it got modded - can't point out the obvious that he's got a vested interest in seeing the NHS broken up.
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The pattern seems to be

Rusty trolls, Roger replies, the reply is removed. Repeat.

:mad:
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The QT audience was full of Cons last night as was evidenced by the reaction to the Freud question.

Thankfully, the vast majority of the wider public are not as ignorant:

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/10/17/pay ... ay-voters/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Sad, so sad.


http://huff.to/1wgGmQC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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StephenDolan wrote:The pattern seems to be

Rusty trolls, Roger replies, the reply is removed. Repeat.

:mad:

You missed out Rusty's friend, the happy chickie. Whenever he's trolling, his chicken friend appears - every. single. time.

It must be one & the same or else they sit on the same desk - it's far too coincidental to be otherwise.
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StephenDolan wrote:The pattern seems to be

Rusty trolls, Roger replies, the reply is removed. Repeat.

:mad:
Talking of trolls, I just had a read through ''over there'' and OpenSewers reckons there's polling out that shows Labour on 19% in Scotland, is that right?
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StephenDolan wrote:Sad, so sad.


http://huff.to/1wgGmQC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jesus Christ, for 30 quid!
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pk1 wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:The pattern seems to be

Rusty trolls, Roger replies, the reply is removed. Repeat.

:mad:

You missed out Rusty's friend, the happy chickie. Whenever he's trolling, his chicken friend appears - every. single. time.

It must be one & the same or else they sit on the same desk - it's far too coincidental to be otherwise.
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:The pattern seems to be

Rusty trolls, Roger replies, the reply is removed. Repeat.

:mad:
Talking of trolls, I just had a read through ''over there'' and OpenSewers reckons there's polling out that shows Labour on 19% in Scotland, is that right?
Its called a subsample, hence almost (though not quite) meaningless.

The most recent genuine Scottish VI polls for next year had a small SNP lead over Labour.
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I don't watch all of QT, it's intolerable, but I usually flick over to it a couple of times to see if the Labour panelist is allowed to speak.

Last night I caught *unt spouting a line I've heard somewhere else recently, to the effect that Lansley's reforms were all about cutting bureaucracy and there are now 20k fewer 'managers' and x'000 more doctors and nurses.

I'm very curious about this 20k number which seems improbable given that they've approx trebled the number of organisations in the NHS, as Angela Eagle tried to point out.
My suspicion is that, if it's not a barefaced lie, it comes from the Commissioning Support Groups now being in the private sector and therefore their staff aren't NHS employees.

Would love to know if anyone has seen a source.
I've done a quick search and didn't find anything directly related, but I did find this

https://www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/ca ... to-mention

I think the purchaser/provider split has already been abolished in Scotland, hope someone's doing some research on it.
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RobertSnozers wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Sad, so sad.


http://huff.to/1wgGmQC" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jesus Christ, for 30 quid!
Not even going to comment, the result would be unprintable

That's been on our local BBC news, I think it may turn out that the guilty party has mental health problems, so it seemed to me.
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... he-economy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

slightly scary goings on behind the scenes at the ipcc...?
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tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... he-economy

slightly scary goings on behind the scenes at the ipcc...?
Tol works for Lawson, Lawson makes money out of denying human caused climate change. Both are charlatanss prepared to sacrifice everybody's future for their own short term gain.
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RobertSnozers wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... he-economy

slightly scary goings on behind the scenes at the ipcc...?
Er... what?? Any chance of a precis, my Guardian boycott will not allow me to click
Sorry. The short story is that the guy Tol who coordinated the Economics chapter in a report to be released this week (on Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability) added - post review by independent reviewers - a bit saying that a bit of climate change might be economically advantageous. The author of this Guardian piece, Bob Ward, notes it has been removed for the final version now due out after he pointed out that some of the data Tol - presumably by accident - used were faulty.
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pk1 wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:The pattern seems to be

Rusty trolls, Roger replies, the reply is removed. Repeat.

:mad:

You missed out Rusty's friend, the happy chickie. Whenever he's trolling, his chicken friend appears - every. single. time.

It must be one & the same or else they sit on the same desk - it's far too coincidental to be otherwise.
Sockpuppet, and not the only multi ID Rusty has used. And there is certainly a connection between Rusty and OpenSeas, I remember one occasion where Rusty posted using OpenSeas 'voice; either he simply forgot what hat he was wearing or somebody sat at the wrong PC, but it was funny watching them try to cover their tracks.

Rog, Rusty works for CCHQ, end of. He will attempt to get any comment getting close to the truth modded, not always successfully; on one occasion he responded to one of mine with "yes, that is what I do", trying to pass it off as a joke but then realising he'd outed himself - had to report his own post to cover his tracks! :D
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
pk1 wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:The pattern seems to be

Rusty trolls, Roger replies, the reply is removed. Repeat.

:mad:

You missed out Rusty's friend, the happy chickie. Whenever he's trolling, his chicken friend appears - every. single. time.

It must be one & the same or else they sit on the same desk - it's far too coincidental to be otherwise.
Sockpuppet, and not the only multi ID Rusty has used. And there is certainly a connection between Rusty and OpenSeas, I remember one occasion where Rusty posted using OpenSeas 'voice; either he simply forgot what hat he was wearing or somebody sat at the wrong PC, but it was funny watching them try to cover their tracks.

Rog, Rusty works for CCHQ, end of. He will attempt to get any comment getting close to the truth modded, not always successfully; on one occasion he responded to one of mine with "yes, that is what I do", trying to pass it off as a joke but then realising he'd outed himself - had to report his own post to cover his tracks! :D

Maybe a Tory aide, using a Whitehall or Parliament computer.
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RobertSnozers wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
pk1 wrote:
You missed out Rusty's friend, the happy chickie. Whenever he's trolling, his chicken friend appears - every. single. time.

It must be one & the same or else they sit on the same desk - it's far too coincidental to be otherwise.
Sockpuppet, and not the only multi ID Rusty has used. And there is certainly a connection between Rusty and OpenSeas, I remember one occasion where Rusty posted using OpenSeas 'voice; either he simply forgot what hat he was wearing or somebody sat at the wrong PC, but it was funny watching them try to cover their tracks.

Rog, Rusty works for CCHQ, end of. He will attempt to get any comment getting close to the truth modded, not always successfully; on one occasion he responded to one of mine with "yes, that is what I do", trying to pass it off as a joke but then realising he'd outed himself - had to report his own post to cover his tracks! :D
I was always puzzled by OpenSeas. At times, the voice of his posts differed wildly. Sometimes he came across like an outraged Kipper, sometimes the number one member of the David Cameron fanclub, at other times simply an out-an-out windup merchant (usually with praise of Nick Clegg so fulsome and extravagent it could only be designed to get a rise out of aggrieved lefties). I called him on this once, can't remember what the response was. I came to the conclusion that there must be more than one person using the account - which suggests a number of accounts potentially shared across several people. The 'relationship' with Rusty seems to bear that out.

Do the mods care? No, because they are plants like Fripouille who have an agenda.
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refitman wrote: From his profile:
A former fisherman. Experienced seaman and skipper. My skills include trolling, netting and trapping. I have an ongoing interest in how the world works, and imparting my knowledge to others - particularly the younger ones.
Put that quote from his profile into a comment then watch to see how long it takes to be modded ! The speed with which it disappears is nigh on extraordinary & it doesn't matter how often it is pointed out that the quote is from his profile & is not a comment, the mods won't allow it & delete it pretty damn fast.
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Getting a bit tasty between Peter Oborne and Craig Oliver at the minute (brings out popcorn)
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I'm amazed that my interpolation into an article about wasting time at work is sill up.
The average person wastes five days' worth of time each year chatting to colleagues, four days making cups of tea and coffee, another four checking personal emails and three days each on internet shopping, making personal phone calls, checking social media, checking the HSJ and other media for any anti-NHS stories that they can post on CiF, running errands and smoking.
And sure enough Rusty bit...
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Getting a bit tasty between Peter Oborne and Craig Oliver at the minute (brings out popcorn)
:lol:

I can't see Oborne backing down, that's for sure.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peter ... -grubbier/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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pk1 wrote:
refitman wrote: From his profile:
A former fisherman. Experienced seaman and skipper. My skills include trolling, netting and trapping. I have an ongoing interest in how the world works, and imparting my knowledge to others - particularly the younger ones.
Put that quote from his profile into a comment then watch to see how long it takes to be modded ! The speed with which it disappears is nigh on extraordinary & it doesn't matter how often it is pointed out that the quote is from his profile & is not a comment, the mods won't allow it & delete it pretty damn fast.
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refitman wrote:
pk1 wrote:
refitman wrote: From his profile:
Put that quote from his profile into a comment then watch to see how long it takes to be modded ! The speed with which it disappears is nigh on extraordinary & it doesn't matter how often it is pointed out that the quote is from his profile & is not a comment, the mods won't allow it & delete it pretty damn fast.
Challenge accepted. Start your stopwatch.
And it's gone. ~25 minutes.
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RobertSnozers wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
pk1 wrote:
You missed out Rusty's friend, the happy chickie. Whenever he's trolling, his chicken friend appears - every. single. time.

It must be one & the same or else they sit on the same desk - it's far too coincidental to be otherwise.
Sockpuppet, and not the only multi ID Rusty has used. And there is certainly a connection between Rusty and OpenSeas, I remember one occasion where Rusty posted using OpenSeas 'voice; either he simply forgot what hat he was wearing or somebody sat at the wrong PC, but it was funny watching them try to cover their tracks.

Rog, Rusty works for CCHQ, end of. He will attempt to get any comment getting close to the truth modded, not always successfully; on one occasion he responded to one of mine with "yes, that is what I do", trying to pass it off as a joke but then realising he'd outed himself - had to report his own post to cover his tracks! :D
I was always puzzled by OpenSeas. At times, the voice of his posts differed wildly. Sometimes he came across like an outraged Kipper, sometimes the number one member of the David Cameron fanclub, at other times simply an out-an-out windup merchant (usually with praise of Nick Clegg so fulsome and extravagent it could only be designed to get a rise out of aggrieved lefties). I called him on this once, can't remember what the response was. I came to the conclusion that there must be more than one person using the account - which suggests a number of accounts potentially shared across several people. The 'relationship' with Rusty seems to bear that out.

Do the mods care? No, because they are plants like Fripouille who have an agenda.
Sounds about right, the 'voice' does seem to vary and that could explain the incident I mentioned above.

Fripouille? Frip is exactly who he claims to be, an aging wannabe rockstar living in France, who thinks himself a ladies man and enjoys a drink or three (and gets very argumentative after the three); I know people who have met him (I declined to attend that meet up partially because I knew he was going to be there) and he can apparently be quite charming ....early on.
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refitman wrote:
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pk1 wrote: Put that quote from his profile into a comment then watch to see how long it takes to be modded ! The speed with which it disappears is nigh on extraordinary & it doesn't matter how often it is pointed out that the quote is from his profile & is not a comment, the mods won't allow it & delete it pretty damn fast.
Challenge accepted. Start your stopwatch.
And it's gone. ~25 minutes.
And now I'm on pre-mod.
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Some are seeing this as sign that Basildon South and East Thurrock MP Stephen Metcalfe is on the verge of defecting to the Kippers, straw clutching?

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Whoops, looks like Rusty forgot which computer he was using:
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refitman wrote:Whoops, looks like Rusty forgot which computer he was using:

And what will be done about it? Nothing, as normal.
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
refitman wrote:Whoops, looks like Rusty forgot which computer he was using:

And what will be done about it? Nothing, as normal.
I have sent an email to the Graun (and CC'd Rusbridger) asking about my pre-mod. I've also asked why rusty & happy get away with so much.
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refitman wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
refitman wrote:Whoops, looks like Rusty forgot which computer he was using:

And what will be done about it? Nothing, as normal.
I have sent an email to the Graun (and CC'd Rusbridger) asking about my pre-mod. I've also asked why rusty & happy get away with so much.
If you don't object, I will forward this onto Sparrow and ask if he has any further feedback from our earlier conversations.
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
refitman wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
And what will be done about it? Nothing, as normal.
I have sent an email to the Graun (and CC'd Rusbridger) asking about my pre-mod. I've also asked why rusty & happy get away with so much.
If you don't object, I will forward this onto Sparrow and ask if he has any further feedback from our earlier conversations.
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