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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep, 2020 7:05 am 
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Morning.

So a rebellion still sees a majority of 77? Sigh.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep, 2020 7:19 am 
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Willow904 wrote:
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So a rebellion still sees a majority of 77? Sigh.


It's a serious coming down to earth for anybody who thinks they might not survive until 2024. (Which doesn't mean Johnson might not decide to run away much earlier)

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Morning all.

Still has to pass the Lords and the Government can't overturn it since the WA was in the manifesto - the Lords can rightly say that they are upholding what was voted for last year.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep, 2020 8:21 am 
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Yes, I noticed the audience figures weren't that great...

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So "everyone" wants to sing Rule Britannia at the Last Night of the Proms? Lowest viewing figures for years. Less than 4 per cent of the UK population.
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This furore wouldn't have been driven mainly by the serial BBC-haters would it?

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep, 2020 9:10 am 
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adam wrote:

It's a serious coming down to earth for anybody who thinks they might not survive until 2024.

The evidence so far is that the Conservative Party will act the same way as the Republicans in the US have.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep, 2020 9:12 am 
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I'm shocked, shocked that Priti Patel hasn't got a clue about the regulations that she signed into law!

https://twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/ ... 0148458496

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This is what happens when you draft criminal laws in secret, spring them on country 20 minutes (yes really) before they come into force, make them increasingly complex and unworkable. Reg 5 (gatherings) has ballooned from 850 to over 2,000 words - PM said it was "simplifying" /6


Quite.

I'm not sure I've seen this level of incompetence so early into a Government's term of office - usually it takes a few years.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep, 2020 9:20 am 
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From the G, Toady, re testing:

Chris Hopson, the chief executive of NHS Providers, which represents hospitals and other NHS trusts, said the government was not being open enough with health leaders about the scale of the problem. He said:

"Part of the problem here is that the government isn’t being as open as trusts would like about how big this problem is, how widespread it is, and how long it’s going to last. So, it’s difficult to get full information."

He also suggested that the government was focusing too much on spin.

"Governments, when they get operational problems like this, face a choice, which is do they try and politically communicate their way out of them – say, for example, ‘look how many million tests we’ve done’, or ‘we’re going to do a very ambitious moonshot next year’ – or do they calmly and soberly explain the appropriate detail of what’s going on, and in doing that help and support those organisations ... who are trying to deal with these problems. And I suppose there’s a pretty clear view from our trust leaders that they really want rather less of the former and rather more of the latter."

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RogerOThornhill wrote:

I'm not sure I've seen this level of incompetence so early into a Government's term of office - usually it takes a few years.

It usually takes a few years because the govt of the day is trying to be competent.

This one has other priorities, it seems.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep, 2020 11:24 am 
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Willow904 wrote:
Morning.

So a rebellion still sees a majority of 77? Sigh.


Because, in the end, most didn't rebel. Sound familiar?

Some of those Tory MPs may or may not be keeping their powder dry for later, but as ever its a case of "believe it when you actually see it".


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When the government told us we needed to get out and go shopping, I didn't realise they meant the neighbours.

There again how can a 18yo PC be expected to apply the Law when the Home Sec doesn't understand it either ...


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Ed Miliband's performance yesterday has been (rightly) praised to the skies here and elsewhere.

Tbh it is rather bittersweet for me, can't help hearing the late Jim Bowen's "here's what you could have won".


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Oh dear...

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As someone just pointed out - At least he was allowed to have the whip back to vote for Brexit.

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Sep, 2020 11:59 am 
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A reminder that May didn't have that many more scruples than Johnson, when push came to shove.


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If you live in London and put a postcode into the booking system for Aberdeen you are offered a test in London. Gaming the system seems to be the way to get a test. How has it come to this?

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I can think of a few answers to that (admittedly rhetorical) question :twisted:


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Oh and many happy returns to refitman - your life begins today!


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Oh and many happy returns to refitman - your life begins today!

Thank you :D

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Happy Birthday refitman!

Hope you've had a good day.

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Bizarrely, cheekier, phallic MP is going to prison (7,8).


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Excellent from Rafael Behr.

Boris Johnson's Brexit has always been a swindle. Now Ireland will pay the price

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -agreement

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Those Tory MPs who are repressing qualms of conscience to follow their leader as he tramples over Britain’s reputation as a law-abiding state might ponder how likely it is that their loyalty will ever be reciprocated. They must have noticed how casually the breach of trust was made, how unburdened Johnson is by the gravity of what he is doing. That is because he is a natural swindler who breaks promises effortlessly. He will reward his most faithful servants with betrayal too, one day.


I still find it amazing that he was elected PM by the party who know full well his somewhat chequered history.

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Mark Elliott on 6th time lucky?

https://twitter.com/ProfMarkElliott/sta ... 1826629632

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RogerOThornhill wrote:
I still find it amazing that he was elected PM by the party who know full well his somewhat chequered history.


They thought that despite that, he could win them an election.

And, of course, they were right.

Could lead to all sorts of adverse consequences longer term, but who cares about that eh......


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