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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 9:37 am 
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Morning.

LOL at this...

https://twitter.com/MaxCRoser/status/13 ... 8915706880

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In the UK the number of cases rose rapidly.
But the public – and authorities – are only learning this now because these cases were only published now as a backlog.

The reason was apparently that the database is managed in Excel and the number of columns had reached the maximum.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 10:27 am 
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Using Excel to manage critical public health data?

That's such a basic mistake, it's almost as if no-one there knows what they are doing, but that can't be right surely?


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 10:38 am 
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Even so, Excel has quite a big "maximum" - its the way they were recording cases on it that was actually the problem.


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I've come across numerous examples in my job where people thought using Excel to manage data would be a quick and easy solution.

In most cases, they were wrong.

Corrupted files, inadequate security, no data audits, the list goes on.

The real issue is when I get asked to "fix it"


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 10:47 am 
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'Er indoors does her birth stats on Excel...with a different tab for each month, and the numbers aren't huge.

Did they not think about using a new tab?

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 11:17 am 
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Quote:
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"We're just using a spreadsheet for now until we get around to building a proper database."

Cut to 5 years later...

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 11:21 am 
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Heh.

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From a Schools Week story in 2015:
'It's a year since computer science was added to the national curriculum. Back in 2012, Michael Gove decided to phase out ICT with its Excel and PowerPoint obsession in favour of a new qualification on how computers work'
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/how-computing-won-the-day/

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 11:40 am 
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This is surely an instance where "why not both?" is an appropriate response.


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 12:23 pm 
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Well quite.

The "schools should be teaching stuff useful for kids to get jobs" that comes out from Williamson doesn't sit very well with not teaching things like Excel & Powerpoint that most office-based people will need to know well.

I know the Cameron line was "kids will all need to know how to code in the future" but that was always crap from someone that didn't understand computers. Or business or that matter.

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Anybody about this afternoon?


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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 3:33 pm 
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Back from a swim.

And Katie Hopkins has had to apologise again...

https://twitter.com/kayaburgess/status/ ... 25/photo/1

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Oct, 2020 4:31 pm 
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Priti Patel faces tribunal questioning over alleged bullying

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... lip-rutnam

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Priti Patel is facing the possibility of being questioned before a 10-day employment tribunal hearing next September after lawyers for her former permanent secretary Sir Philip Rutnam pushed forward with a claim for constructive dismissal.

The home secretary, her department, and Downing Street are also being asked to disclose all correspondence related to Rutnam’s departure following claims that he was forced out of his job for intervening in her alleged bullying of fellow civil servants.

A schedule for an employment tribunal has been sent to the Home Office’s lawyers which names the home secretary as the respondent, the Guardian understands.


:popcorn:

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Next September? Jeez.

You'll need a lot of popcorn.

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Just back from a trip up to the borders to see the folks in a town that's been locked down despite having had 3 cases of coronavirus in total.

First things first, if you fancy travelling on the trains don't bother buying a ticket, nobody will check them, that's now 10 trains in a row from one end of England to the other without having any of my tickets checked. 'But what of the ticket barriers' you may ask? As an experiment I tried walking out of Leeds station through an emergency exit and nobody stopped me.

As for locking down all of Northumberland when you can count the infections for the North half of the county on one hand it's obviously absurd. It was surreal to sit in a tiny pub almost exclusively frequented by pensioners in a quite part of town with the barman masked behind plastic screens and a one way system that meant you had to follow a yellow tape road to go to the toilet. I discussed it with PorFavor and we agreed it was like a dystopian 70's tv show. People grimly fighting an invisible monster that isn't there.

And that's true of all the little villages throughout rural Northumberland that have never had a sniff of an infection, people banned from visiting their friends and families, while Londoners can come and go as they please.

But then it's a lot less politicaly damaging to ruin the lives of a few of Northern hicks.

Cumming's father in law's castle is just down the road, maybe if they set fire to that and the grouse moors in protest they might get some attention.


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Good to see you here Sky, good to see anybody here in fact.

(where is cJA today?)


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Yes this place is as quiet as Matt Hancock's cerebrum.

I forgot to mention, yesterday while out for a walk with my Mum and Dad we completely by accident came across a testing station in a car park on the outskirts of town. There were three vans with stuff in them and about 10 people wearing those generic hi-vis bibs all sitting about looking bored. A brief chat revealed that they'd tested precisely nobody all weekend and that they were all employed by Serco.

As to CJA's whereabouts I'm afraid I can't be of any help.


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When Trump walked through the doors, Walter Reed had a stellar reputation. As he walks out 72 hours later, its reputation is in tatters. There's nothing Trump can't ruin.
8:38 PM · Oct 5, 2020·Twitter for iPhone


Their problem is one of patient confidentiality - they can't possibly contradict his side of the story.

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I've avoided the news as best I could these last few days, what the fuck is this about missing 15,000 tests through an Excel error?

I have to admit I've never had reason to try to enter ginormous numbers into Excel but why would you? You're creating a spreadsheet not a database and never mind Public Health England, many businesses still use XLS because upgrading Office is expensive.

I'm sure the response will be to blame PHE for not updating its software while at the same time calling it a quango in the Mail and saying it's wasting taxpayers cash.


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We have proper beaches.

Made of sand.


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I'll save listening to the whole of it until tomorrow.


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Do it now.

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That was a good way to spend around 45 minutes.

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