Tuesday 20th October 2020

[refitman]

Morning all.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Anybody about, then? Things were quiet enough yesterday.......

[RogerOThornhill]

Afternoon all.

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis
The House of Lords has just voted by huge majority of 226 to indicate its likely rejection of Johnson’s Internal Market Bill provisions for override the Good Friday Agreement & international law

564 peers voted: one of the largest votes in the entire history of the Lords!
2:10 PM · Oct 20, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

"Well, that's OK - we'll overturn it as it was in our manif....oh..."

[AnatolyKasparov]

Stating the obvious - but that's a big majority!

[citizenJA]

Good afternoon, everyone.

[RogerOThornhill]

When it attacks 'lefty lawyers', this government takes aim at the rule of law

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The difficulty here is that the government gives the impression that striking a balance is something of which it disapproves. Anything that constrains its ability to do what it wants – whether it be the European Union, an impartial civil service or the rule of law (or, prior to the general election, the House of Commons) – is an illegitimate source of power that should be diminished, abolished or suspended.

Quite.

Well said David Gauke...

[AnatolyKasparov]

Not so sure about the "centuries of Tory tradition" bit, though.

[Willow904]

From the G live blog:

31m ago Johnson says government could not offer Greater Manchester more than Liverpool or Lancashire

Sure. But what's his excuse for offering much less? Lancashire was £42m. Was anything like this per head ever offered to Manchester? I wonder if Lancashire Tory councillors have made Johnson’s gambit of trying to make local Labour leaders appear unreasonable, irresponsible and "playing politics" whilst deliberately shafting Labour voting areas harder to pull off?

[AnatolyKasparov]

Burnham needs to be put in his place is the unspoken reason, I rather suspect.

[Willow904]

Someone will have to check my maths (and Google's population stats) but I make Lancashire's settlement to be approx £28 per head so by Boris Johnson’s standards it wouldn't be right for him to give Greater Manchester more than £80m?! Is that right?

Edited to change p to £, I'm sure you knew what I meant ( ) .

[Willow904]

Burnham needs to be put in his place is the unspoken reason, I rather suspect.

The place Andy Burnham is occupying is similar to local leaders of all stripes who are now being forced to impose restrictions without the political cover of generous compensation the government made available to themselves when they were the ones dishing it out.

[RogerOThornhill]

Manchester Young Conservatives
@MancTories
Boris has lied about helping us in the North.

It’s time for him to go.
5:51 PM · Oct 20, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

One of those Blue Labour types just tweeted "Suspect the Tories have just lost the North for another generation"

[AnatolyKasparov]

Its looking rather like Cummings has misjudged this one, for sure.

[tinyclanger2]

Manchester Young Conservatives
@MancTories
Boris has lied about helping us in the North.

It’s time for him to go.
5:51 PM · Oct 20, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

One of those Blue Labour types just tweeted "Suspect the Tories have just lost the North for another generation"

Don't like the juxtaposition of Manc and Tories.
It's just wrong.

[tinyclanger2]

EU talks anyone?

[adam]

EU talks anyone?

Apparently not. And that's a full and complete answer.

[RogerOThornhill]

WTAF is this?

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Let them eat cake!

[citizenJA]

14 October 2020
Magnitude, demographics and dynamics of the effect of the first wave of the COVID-19 pandemic on all-cause mortality in 21 industrialized countries

We applied an ensemble of 16 Bayesian models to vital statistics data to estimate the all-cause mortality effect of the pandemic for 21 industrialized countries.

From mid-February through May 2020, 206,000 (95% credible interval, 178,100–231,000) more people died in these countries than would have had the pandemic not occurred.

The number of excess deaths, excess deaths per 100,000 people and relative increase in deaths were similar between men and women in most countries.

England and Wales and Spain experienced the largest effect: ~100 excess deaths per 100,000 people, equivalent to a 37% (30–44%) relative increase in England and Wales and 38% (31–45%) in Spain.

Bulgaria, New Zealand, Slovakia, Australia, Czechia, Hungary, Poland, Norway, Denmark and Finland experienced mortality changes that ranged from possible small declines to increases of 5% or less in either sex.

The heterogeneous mortality effects of the COVID-19 pandemic reflect differences in how well countries have managed the pandemic and the resilience and preparedness of the health and social care system.

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[RogerOThornhill]

And the 3 year Comprehensive Spending Review has been called off.

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[gilsey]

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE
Grant Shapps has threatened to seize control of Transport for London unless Sadiq Khan accepts package of measures inc higher council tax, pension reforms, larger congestion charge zone and higher fares in return for rescue funding

[gilsey]

Steven Green
@stevengreen
Replying to
@peterjukes
and
@Tpopularfront
Maybe Manchester should set up a shell company and offer to procure some faulty PPE. They’d be offered £108million in seconds.

[gilsey]

There was a story earlier, which I can't find now, about a disastrous call between the govt and the CBI about Brexit, what else.

So that's the North, London and the CBI they've managed to seriously piss off in just one day.

I think the only reason the EU hasn't walked away is that they know most of us didn't vote for this govt, or Brexit for that matter.

Hard to think of a reason to believe they care about anything other than filling their boots before the next election.

[AnatolyKasparov]

They care about keeping their elderly voting base in a permanent state of rage about not much. Actual governing gets in the way of that.

[tinyclanger2]

to be in a permanent state of rage.
ie: to be 'kin seethin'

Well they're successful in that respect and no mistake.

[citizenJA]

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA