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Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 6:44 am
by refitman
Morning all.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:11 am
by RogerOThornhill
Morning all.
Nearly there...
Have we all seen this? Completely nuts. But gotta love the guy wandering across stage behind her...and then back again.
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Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:21 am
by RogerOThornhill
I get the impression from this that Rory Stewart doesn't think much of our PM...or Tom Bower either.
Lord of misrule
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Perhaps it is envy. Johnson is after all the most accomplished liar in public life – perhaps the best liar ever to serve as prime minister. Some of this may have been a natural talent – but a lifetime of practice and study has allowed him to uncover new possibilities which go well beyond all the classifications of dishonesty attempted by classical theorists like St Augustine. He has mastered the use of error, omission, exaggeration, diminution, equivocation and flat denial. He has perfected casuistry, circumlocution, false equivalence and false analogy. He is equally adept at the ironic jest, the fib and the grand lie; the weasel word and the half-truth; the hyperbolic lie, the obvious lie, and the bullshit lie – which may inadvertently be true. And because he has been so famous for this skill for so long, he can use his reputation to ascend to new levels of playful paradox. Thus he could say to me “Rory, don’t believe anything I am about to say, but I would like you to be in my cabinet” – and still have me laugh in admiration.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:25 am
by AnatolyKasparov
So according to several right wing pundits this morning, losing an election by 5% of the vote (or perhaps more) is a triumph. Who knew?
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:27 am
by RogerOThornhill
I'm wondering whether Farage could see that his meal ticket in the US was coming to an end and that's why he's decided to give his political "career" over here a restart.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:29 am
by AnatolyKasparov
Just to add that some of the same people sneered at Labour supporters for how they reacted to the 2017 GE result......
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:41 am
by adam
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Just to add that some of the same people sneered at Labour supporters for how they reacted to the 2017 GE result......
I look forward to the Republican announcement that despite losing seats and vote share, with a majority in the Senate they have a mandate to govern and Biden had better fall in line with them or they'll stop him doing anything.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:57 am
by tinyclanger2
Am still worried though - Arizona looking scary?
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 12:03 pm
by GetYou
If there's one thing the election has taught me, it's that I can't deal with the level of zeal and insanity in American politics, and if the tangerine ballbag does win, I'm going to stay away from that cesspit permanently, for the sake of my own sanity.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 12:07 pm
by adam
tinyclanger2 wrote:Am still worried though - Arizona looking scary?
Quite right to be worried until it's a done deal but worth saying that the outcome still appears to be Biden. Of course we've been here before when everything needed to go right for Trump to win and then it did, but this time everything needs to go right for him even though in Pennsylvania and Nevada and Georgia, at least, it really doesn't appear to be and it's still his team who are making the big noises about Arizona. It's scary there because he's still got a chance to win it, not because he's on course to win it.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 12:09 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
tinyclanger2 wrote:Am still worried though - Arizona looking scary?
Pennsylvania will be sufficient - Biden could ultimately win by close to 100k there. And most of the remaining votes to count in Arizona are very likely his.
Plus he already has - just - enough unless you think Nevada is going to flip (unlikely)
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 12:09 pm
by tinyclanger2
As an American acquaintance tweeted the other day:
You need drugs to deal with the US election. All of them.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 12:16 pm
by PorFavor
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Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 12:57 pm
by adam
Another nice geeky election fact - from the states last time Clinton won 232 college votes but officially 'scored' 227 because five of her electors in the college chose to vote for somebody else. If Biden ends up on 270, expect to hear more from the Republicans about the opportunities for faithless electors.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 1:20 pm
by citizenJA
Good afternoon, everyone.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 1:23 pm
by citizenJA
That which does not kill me makes me surly.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 1:27 pm
by citizenJA
Biden/Harris win is good
my only complaint is the drama from Trump supporters
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 1:28 pm
by citizenJA
GetYou wrote:If there's one thing the election has taught me, it's that I can't deal with the level of zeal and insanity in American politics, and if the tangerine ballbag does win, I'm going to stay away from that cesspit permanently, for the sake of my own sanity.
You and I both.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 3:38 pm
by Sky'sGoneOut
tinyclanger2 wrote:As an American acquaintance tweeted the other day:
You need drugs to deal with the US election. All of them.
Curiously watching endless hours of American news seems to have curbed my urge to get wasted.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 5:18 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
As you might expect, the Daily Mash has been on quite good form the last day or two
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 5:57 pm
by tinyclanger2
Everything will hinge on a small area of Dogshit County, Nevada with a voting method based on hunting possums.
From said Mash. I shouldn't laugh but there you go.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 6:24 pm
by RogerOThornhill
I couldn't think why Gina Miller was trending but then it became clear - whataboutery from Brexiteers.
This one is a barrister...betcha can't guess for which online magazine he writes for...
Jon Holbrook
@JonHolb
• Trump is merely seeking to ensure there have been no irregularities in the voting process.
Yet he’s called “a liar & a cheat” for issuing law suits.
• Gina Miller sought to neuter a democratic decision with law suits.
She was described as upholding the rule of law.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 7:35 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Oh dear...
Nick Eardley
@nickeardleybbc
Foreign Secretary self-isolating
6:45 PM · Nov 5, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 8:11 pm
by Sky'sGoneOut
Pretty much all the American news channels are now saying they think Biden is going to win Pennsylvania, even Fox are saying it's looking grim for Trump.
Biden needs to win around 65% of the remaining votes, but they're practically all postal votes which are predominantly from Democrats and Biden's been getting around 75% of them all day so he's well ahead of what he needs as a percentage. If that continues (and remember Trump told his voters not to vote by mail) then it'll all be over tonight.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 8:24 pm
by tinyclanger2
Not relevant but interesting:
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 8:36 pm
by Sky'sGoneOut
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I reckon of all the states remaining Trump will only win North Carolina.
Perhaps it's my brain being frazzled by the constant fireworks going on outside giving me Nam flashbacks.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 8:50 pm
by Sky'sGoneOut
tinyclanger2 wrote:Not relevant but interesting:
The coolest thing about Magnetars is that their magnetic field is so ludicrously powerful (a trillion times that of Earth) that if you were dumb enough to get too close to one your atoms would become so distorted that your molecules would come apart and you'd dissolve.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 9:05 pm
by tinyclanger2
It was for that sort of reason that I always worried about having to get beamed up from somewhere.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 9:05 pm
by RogerOThornhill
This is an MP...an exceptionally dim one mind.
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Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 9:05 pm
by tinyclanger2
As a youth i also worried frequently about getting sucked into a black hole by mistake.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 9:06 pm
by tinyclanger2
So it's a bloody good job I didn't know about magnetars.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 9:06 pm
by tinyclanger2
I'd have had to have been "on pills fer me nerves"
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 9:41 pm
by PorFavor
Sky'sGoneOut wrote:I'm going to stick my neck out here and say I reckon of all the states remaining Trump will only win North Carolina.
Perhaps it's my brain being frazzled by the constant fireworks going on outside giving me Nam flashbacks.
Arizona could be dicey.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 9:58 pm
by Sky'sGoneOut
That magnetar was 30,000 light years away so you should be fine unless you get on the wrong bus.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 9:59 pm
by tinyclanger2
An interlude:
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Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:00 pm
by tinyclanger2
Sky'sGoneOut wrote:That magnetar was 30,000 light years away so you should be fine unless you get on the wrong bus.
You can't be too careful though.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:04 pm
by tinyclanger2
You've just brought to mind: This magnetar is small, but the one out there is is far (30,000 light years) away.
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Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:11 pm
by citizenJA
tinyclanger2 wrote:Not relevant but interesting:
I've summoned the
Hainish
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:13 pm
by citizenJA
Sky'sGoneOut wrote:tinyclanger2 wrote:Not relevant but interesting:
The coolest thing about Magnetars is that their magnetic field is so ludicrously powerful (a trillion times that of Earth) that if you were dumb enough to get too close to one your atoms would become so distorted that your molecules would come apart and you'd dissolve.
yeah, I hate it when I forget and end up too close.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:16 pm
by citizenJA
tinyclanger2 wrote:I'd have had to have been "on pills fer me nerves"
You want to score some nutmeg?
Let me know.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:38 pm
by RogerOThornhill
In other news, 'er indoors was looking forward to going back to work next week.
However, she had an email from that nice Mr Hancock telling her that she had "previously been identified as someone thought to be clinically extremely vulnerable and at highest risk of becoming very unwell if you catch COVID-19."
And so...she's not going back to work. Not happy.
At the moment Occupational health are saying not before the end of December but if we come out of lockdown in early December this might alter.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 10:47 pm
by tinyclanger2
How many weeks has it been now? All this counting.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:15 pm
by Sky'sGoneOut
Well done to Lisa Nandy on QT for pointing out that this narrative that Trump has somehow 'won' by increasing his number of votes is bollocks when Biden has already garnered more votes than any presidential challenger in history and they've not even finished counting yet.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:19 pm
by citizenJA
Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:20 pm
by Sky'sGoneOut
And to add there have been only 4 single term presidents in the last century so to try to paint Trump being added to that number as some kind of 'victory' for him is laughable.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:22 pm
by Sky'sGoneOut
And now Oliver Dowden thinks silver bullets kill viruses. No Oliver, silver bullets kill WEREWOLVES!!!!
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:41 pm
by PorFavor
I find Rose McGowan hard work, but she's started to make sense when Covid19 came up. The mathematician woman, whose name eludes me, is good. Oliver Dowden shouldn't be let out on his own - although perhaps he hasn't been, and the Next man is his minder.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:42 pm
by adam
Trump's latest wheeze is to talk about 'suppression polls'- opinion polling making it look bad for him and making his supporters think he was a lost cause so not bothering to vote.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:49 pm
by PorFavor
I keep having nightmare visions of Donald Trump fleeing the US and coming over here to take up residence in Nigel Farage's spare room.
Re: Thursday 5th November 2020
Posted: Thu 05 Nov, 2020 11:59 pm
by PorFavor
PTO