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Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 7:05 am
by refitman
Morning all.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 9:10 am
by RogerOThornhill
Morning all.

I take it all back - ennobling Claire Fox was a superb move...
Otto English
@Otto_English
So Claire Fox robustly defended the government's Internal Market Bill in the Lords last night only to then accidentally vote against it - helping defeat the very bill she'd spoken so passionately in defence of. November just keeps getting better.
7:24 AM · Nov 10, 2020·Twitter Web App
:D

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 9:45 am
by RogerOThornhill
Worth a read.

Is the trade war over? What a Biden presidency means for global trade

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More broadly, the US political shift away from performative jerkdom could yield other benefits for global diplomacy. Biden is far less likely to block the appointment of a WTO director-general, has already signalled he wants the US back in the Paris Climate Change Agreement, and will probably revert to the standard US position of deep exasperation with the United Nations rather than outright hostility to it.

The US is also unlikely to keep up the barrage of threats to which it subjected the international trading system during Trump's tenure. In addition to blocking the director-general appointment and breaking the appellate body, the US has held the WTO's budget hostage, threatened to unilaterally raise all of its tariffs, said it will leave the WTO agreement on government procurement and probably a number of other things I'm just too numb to even recall anymore. The Biden administration may still throw its weight around, but the chaos should end.

All of this is to the UK's advantage. Britain is good at navigating intergovernmental organisations and multi-party diplomacy. It will be even better when it no longer has to craft increasingly elaborate ways to explain to partners that it opposes whatever gauche thing the US just did but not enough to actually say so publicly.
Privately I would imagine the government is quite pleased that Trump is (probably) gone - it's not easy dealing with incoherence.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 9:58 am
by gilsey
Britain is good at navigating intergovernmental organisations and multi-party diplomacy.
We used to think we were.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 10:05 am
by gilsey
This on a US-UK FTA rings true.
Biden thus risks being bogged down in contentious negotiations with a prime minister his own party is less than fond of, unable to extract sufficient concessions on agriculture to win over rural district votes in Congress, and without sufficient gains in other parts of the agreement to make a whipping operation successful.

You can see why he's not prioritising it.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 12:08 pm
by RogerOThornhill
If the vaccine is due to be rolled out next month, I wonder whether the lockdown will end in early December?

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 12:20 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
RogerOThornhill wrote:If the vaccine is due to be rolled out next month, I wonder whether the lockdown will end in early December?
Given both the numbers and politics that is probably happening anyway.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 12:52 pm
by PorFavor
Good morfternoon.
RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

I take it all back - ennobling Claire Fox was a superb move...
A Claire of very little brain.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 1:28 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
In her early days of media exposure she came across as shouty but not terribly bright.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 1:41 pm
by PorFavor
The Guido Fawkes blog had a fun story this morning.


Guido Fawkes
@GuidoFawkes
Number 10’s Message to Biden Originally Congratulated Trump https://order-order.com/2020/11/10/numb ... ated-trump" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Asked for an explanation, a government spokesman said:

As you’d expect, two statements were prepared in advance for the outcome of this closely contested election. A technical error meant that parts of the alternative message were embedded in the background of the graphic. (Politics Live, Guardian)
If accurate, I fail to see the "fun" element in it.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 1:52 pm
by gilsey
Jon Worth
@jonworth
Technical error *

* - the intern wasn’t working on Saturday, we’d not prepared a statement for Biden winning despite it being likely for 24h, and Dom doesn’t know how to use layers in Photoshop

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 1:53 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
A "technical error", you say?

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 2:02 pm
by gilsey
Dr Helen Salisbury
@HelenRSalisbury
Currently on a webinar about the delivery of the covid19 vaccine. Massive disconnect between plans at the top table and what is doable on the ground in GP surgeries
You don't say.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 2:44 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Well, that is genuinely shocking (not) news.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 3:36 pm
by PorFavor
Sky TV News reports that an orderly transition between Donald Trump and Joe Biden is looking less and less likely.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 5:16 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Was that an "exclusive"?

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 5:58 pm
by PorFavor
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Was that an "exclusive"?
Yes, I think so - it was an Adam Boulton thing, at any rate. I haven't been watching lately so I can't say if there have been any developments.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 6:18 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
I mean in the sense of "its an 'exclusive' but also damn obvious and will surprise nobody".

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 6:32 pm
by RogerOThornhill
PorFavor wrote:Sky TV News reports that an orderly transition between Donald Trump and Joe Biden is looking less and less likely.
I think we can take that as read given this...
John Hudson
@John_Hudson
Pompeo just now: “There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration."
6:11 PM · Nov 10, 2020·Twitter Web App
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"Democracy? Nah, overrated"

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 6:34 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Suffice to say that this piece of crap hasn't gone down that well with teachers...

Julia Hartley-Brewer
@JuliaHB1
The private sector in this country has shown such leadership, ingenuity & willingness to adapt & work hard to stay afloat - against all the odds.

If our state schools had shown an ounce of the same backbone through the pandemic, no child would have been left behind.

Pathetic.
1:09 PM · Nov 10, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
She really is a piece of work.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 7:42 pm
by tinyclanger2
Am a bit sick of unpleasant people.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 7:43 pm
by tinyclanger2
I mean not everyone regards me as PLEASANT as such, but I'm not actively UNpleasant.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 9:10 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Oops. Think someone logged into the wrong account...

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Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 9:14 pm
by tinyclanger2
Aren't we all

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Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 9:31 pm
by RogerOThornhill
The first tweet is about the Biden transition team...

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and the comment...
Sam Freedman
@Samfr
Why is Linda Darling-Hammond, leading the education team? She's an incredibly knowledgeable emeritus Professor and author of many influential papers, not a heiress who funded the campaign? Confusing.
:D

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 10:18 pm
by gilsey
You don't mean........... an expert????!!!!!!!!

It'll never catch on.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 10:35 pm
by gilsey
gilsey wrote:
Dr Helen Salisbury
@HelenRSalisbury
Currently on a webinar about the delivery of the covid19 vaccine. Massive disconnect between plans at the top table and what is doable on the ground in GP surgeries
You don't say.
I'm old enough to remember the govt saying everyone over 50 would get a flu jab this winter, how's that going?

Our GP practice ran out weeks ago.

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 11:41 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Well.
Ryan Browne
@rabrowne75
Pentagon finally confirms near total decapitation of civilian leadership in the last 24 hours. Secretary of Defense Esper fired Monday, the top Pentagon Policy official, top Defense Department intelligence official, and chief of staff to the Defense Secretary all out today
10:05 PM · Nov 10, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Tue 10 Nov, 2020 11:45 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Shocked etc
Jeffrey Guterman
@JeffreyGuterman
Witness for GOP, a postal worker who claimed vote tampering, admits he was lying. GOP donors gave him $130,000.
:roll:

Re: Tuesday 10th November 2020

Posted: Wed 11 Nov, 2020 12:08 am
by adam
Odds on it being time for the coup appear to be shortening.