Wednesday 2nd December 2020

Post by **refitman** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 7:01 am

Morning all.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 9:11 am

Morning all.

I see that the £1.5bn dividend paid by Philip Green to his wife has cropped up again.

I looked at this at the time and thought that there was no cash involved but it was merely a way of facilitating an offshore company (i.e. Mrs Green in Monaco) to be able to lend a UK company money, so that when the interest was paid by the UK company it depressed UK profits and therefore lower its tax payment, and increased the offshore company ones with zero tax.

Fairly ingenious but think the UK tax authorities take a dim view of that sort of stuff now.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:41 am

Hopefully we can reach double figures in posts today - where was everybody yesterday?

I thought somebody might comment on the Commons lockdown vote at least

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:41 am

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:55 am

Good morning, everyone.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 12:01 pm

Remarkably, votes for the US election last month are still being confirmed. Biden now on around 81 million, 7 million ahead of Trump.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 12:48 pm

US accents are different from what I'm used to hearing here at home.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 1:27 pm

Peter Jukes
@peterjukes
So now József Szájer (Orban's favourite politician) is in the news, worth revisiting this event with him, Andrew Neil, David Goodhart and Douglas Murray at the Hungarian Embassy two years ago.

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And I mean the IDEOLOGICAL proximity, nothing else!

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Yes, that's the same József Szájer that attempted to escape from a sex party along a gutter with drugs in his backback...all about mixing with the right people right?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 1:32 pm

Johnson not as abysmal at PMQs as he was last week, but still pretty bad.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 1:34 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Peter Jukes
@peterjukes
So now József Szájer (Orban's favourite politician) is in the news, worth revisiting this event with him, Andrew Neil, David Goodhart and Douglas Murray at the Hungarian Embassy two years ago.

https://london.mfa.gov.hu/eng/news/szaz ... oevetsegen" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And I mean the IDEOLOGICAL proximity, nothing else!

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Yes, that's the same József Szájer that attempted to escape from a sex party along a gutter with drugs in his backback...all about mixing with the right people right?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 2:33 pm

Well she's a big Trump fan, so that figures.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 3:02 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well she's a big Trump fan, so that figures.

I saw messages from Hancock, Rees-Mogg and Fabricant telling the same lies as Dorries
childish, foolish people in positions of great responsibility
deliberately offensive at a time of life-threatening peril
tens of thousands of people dead in the country they're leading

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 3:04 pm

England records 372 further Covid hospital deaths - highest daily total in second wave
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This is the highest daily total for hospital deaths announced by NHS England in the second wave of the pandemic. The previous highest figure was 361 on 11 November.
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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 3:14 pm

Being cautious is the best thing you can do this Christmas
The government’s ambiguous Covid advice has pushed decisions on to individuals.
For all our sakes, safety must come first
Prof Devi Sridhar
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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 4:06 pm

god help me
the government today
took good news and tortured it lied about it disgraced themselves
deliberate ugliness partisanship childishness

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 4:14 pm

and the new press secretary for the PM in on
I've got chocolate to eat, books to read

AFinch · Post by **AFinch** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 6:58 pm

Hello everyone, I hope you're all doing well.

I think this is a really good interview. Clive Lewis with Owen Jones.

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Also on Covid and the state of our country this from, of all outlets, the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55133081 and I know it focuses on extreme cases.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 7:21 pm

This orange character is trying my patience.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 7:36 pm

Where's PfY these days?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 8:12 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Where's PfY these days?

Pops in occasionally.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 8:40 pm

Has anyone been following the spat between Sunder Katwala and Maajid Nawaz about the US election?

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It's been going for weeks now and it's a hoot.

And to just to add to the fun...James Delingpole gets involved towards the end.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 9:42 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Where's PfY these days?

chemistry lessons

Post by **adam** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:05 pm

This is a good piece tucked away down the guardian's homepage

Brexit fishing gamble suggests No 10 forgot its economics homework

Lord Liddle, a veteran of European trade negotiations who advised Peter Mandelson when the latter was the EU’s trade commissioner, said Brussels’ negotiators will have organised their strategy around offensive and defensive interests. That approach does not seem to have been mirrored on the UK side, with the British government giving up on securing favourable rules of origin – which decide whether cars made with imported parts will attract tariffs – while holding firm on fishing.

“To have ended up with this great row about fishing suggests to me they haven’t made those calculations,” he said.

It really is the case that that our government simply haven't been concerned with reality at all in any of this. 'My policy on cake is pro having it and pro eating it' genuinely has been the plan - that 27 other countries really would put our wants and needs above their own, and give us a free pass because we thought we deserved it.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:08 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:10 pm

Where's PfY these days?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:30 pm

Leading humanity's charge against hunger I made a Chorizo Rigatoni earlier.

The tomatoes, pasta and Mozzarella were Italian, the Chorizo was from from Spain and the wine was French.

Nadine Dorries had been scrounging around like she does begging for scraps so I took pity on her and put some on a plate and left it outside.

After she'd eaten it she started running around the garden screaming and yelling that it was a 'triumph for brexit' and started waving her Union Jack knickers around her head. We had to catch her in a net and pacify her with a rag soaked in Bovril.

It wouldn't be so bad if she didn't dig holes and crap in my flower bed.

Next time I'll turn the hose on her.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:38 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Where's PfY these days?

I refer the honourable gentleman, etc etc.

Post by **adam** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:46 pm

Well it probably is déjà vu. Sounds like it.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:51 pm

I'd pay good money (or bad) to spend half an hour in Sky's head.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:55 pm

My post reposted itself. Bleeding technology.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 10:58 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:We had to catch her in a net and pacify her with a rag soaked in Bovril.

Eat your heart out Keats.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:17 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I'd pay good money (or bad) to spend half an hour in Sky's head.

Get me a decent bottle of wine and you're welcome to do a Fantastic Voyage in my brain any time as long as I get to meet 1960's Raquel Welch after you're done. And if you could fix a few things while you're in there I'd much appreciate it.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:20 pm

You're on.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:21 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:You're on.

Yes, but on what?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:35 pm

Not much to report from Newsnight, a swift crushing of the vaccine approval brexit boon nonsense which to be fair even Johnson didn't indulge in, complaints from care homes but again to be fair this vaccine needs to be at -70° C and can only be moved 3 times so getting it to hospitals is the obvious thing to do, and a general huzzah from their expert guests.

No mention of what's going to happen after January the 1'st when it's going to get a lot harder to get such things into the country. The cynic in me does wonder if pressure was put on the MHRA to approve this early so we could get as much in before eveything goes arse over tits.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:40 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:You're on.

Excellent, you will have to get a bit more tiny and promise not to bring Donald Pleasance.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 02 Dec, 2020 11:43 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:You're on.
Yes, but on what?

The couch.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 12:26 am

Please vaccinate me now.

I miss seeing friends, I miss going to the pub, I miss going to gigs, I miss visiting my parents without fear of killing them, I miss getting on a train and not being a judgemental twat, I miss having a life.

What I don't miss is buses, not having got on a bus in 9 months is a joy, not all buses mind you. In Leeds we're forced to use First Bus who run dirty, smelly old diesel monstrosities that stink and rattle your bones at the slightest bump in the road. I remember the first time I visited Hindle and caught a bus in Derbyshire and it was like I was riding on a silent magic carpet, apart from the drunk chavs at the back.

And I don't miss being part of a crowd. I never enjoyed it anyway. Small gig with a couple of hundred at most fine, but anything more than that no.

I trust we're all going to accept the needle?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 12:32 am

Yes - although I suspect the chance will be a long time coming, even with a genius like Nadhim Zahari at the helm.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 12:49 am

I won't even qualify until April at the very bottom of the list.

Which I guess in one sense is good, I doubt many assessors for the DWP are going to be keen to sit in a room for half an hour with anyone who could give them Covid.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 12:56 am

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:I won't even qualify until April at the very bottom of the list.

Which I guess in one sense is good, I doubt many assessors for the DWP are going to be keen to sit in a room for half an hour with anyone who could give them Covid.

I'm almost at the bottom of the list, too. Which is kind of good because it means that I can be cowardly, guilt-free, and await the EU's additional seal of approval on the vaccine (end of December).

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 1:12 am

It needs to happen by spring though as we have herbs to grow.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 1:21 am

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Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 1:26 am

That woman was high.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 1:35 am

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Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Thu 03 Dec, 2020 3:06 am

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