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Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 6:41 am
by refitman
Morning all.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 10:15 am
by gilsey
Good morning.


I think this is a good piece, by the G's architecture critic so may not get as much airing as it deserves.

The culture of incompetence that led to Grenfell still imperils us
As the inquiry is not complete, blame cannot conclusively be apportioned to individuals and companies. What is clear is that a culture of buck passing, obfuscation and cynicism pervaded many of those involved. It is a culture that was not only particular to Grenfell. It can be found elsewhere in the construction industry and in publicly procured projects and services more generally.

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This multiple layering has not come from nowhere. It has grown partly out of a decades-long process of government outsourcing, from the hollowing out and stripping down of local authorities under the theory that private companies will do a given job better.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 11:30 am
by AnatolyKasparov
Last night's hints there might be a deal with the EU after all, were immediately responded to by a "wall of gammon" on Twitter.

Expect more of the same if an agreement is indeed reached.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 5:16 pm
by Willow904
From the G:
The government has formally offered to withdraw or deactivate the clauses in the internal market bill that would enable it to over-ride parts of the Brexit withdrawal agreement if a trade deal is agreed this week.
They're really stringing it out, aren't they? It's like pulling teeth with this lot.

Got 'til Wednesday, I reckon and then it becomes a real possibility the EU walk away if they're still taking the mick.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 5:23 pm
by tinyclanger2
Trump and Johnson are either evidence that Democracy doesn't work - or that that we haven't yet achieved Democracy.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 6:05 pm
by Willow904
tinyclanger2 wrote:Trump and Johnson are either evidence that Democracy doesn't work - or that that we haven't yet achieved Democracy.
Democracy works as a way for a group of people with roughly aligned interests - the aristocracy, say - to thrash out some minor differences of opinion.

It doesn't work quite so well when a small majority want to impose what is anathema to a large minority. Or, indeed, vote democracy away entirely.

In a way, what happens next is key. We've seen democracy fail in Turkey, but democracy there was always somewhat in the gift of the military that policed it. Will the long-standing institutions of the US and UK fair better in preventing populism from turning into despotism?

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 6:17 pm
by citizenJA
Good evening, everyone.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 7:18 pm
by citizenJA
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Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 8:00 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Willow904 wrote:From the G:
The government has formally offered to withdraw or deactivate the clauses in the internal market bill that would enable it to over-ride parts of the Brexit withdrawal agreement if a trade deal is agreed this week.
They're really stringing it out, aren't they? It's like pulling teeth with this lot.

Got 'til Wednesday, I reckon and then it becomes a real possibility the EU walk away if they're still taking the mick.
Neither side wants to be seen as the one "walking away", though. And surely the EU doing that would be used by our government as "justification" for no deal.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 8:50 pm
by tinyclanger2
'Tis the season for bizarre perfume adverts and this one from Chanel#5 doesn't disappoint. What the absolute f?
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Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 9:30 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Willow904 wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Trump and Johnson are either evidence that Democracy doesn't work - or that that we haven't yet achieved Democracy.
Democracy works as a way for a group of people with roughly aligned interests - the aristocracy, say - to thrash out some minor differences of opinion.

It doesn't work quite so well when a small majority want to impose what is anathema to a large minority. Or, indeed, vote democracy away entirely.

In a way, what happens next is key. We've seen democracy fail in Turkey, but democracy there was always somewhat in the gift of the military that policed it. Will the long-standing institutions of the US and UK fair better in preventing populism from turning into despotism?
Well in actual fact the US institutions have proved a bit more robust in the face of Trump's provocations than some of us feared they might be.

(thus far in any case, fingers crossed)

I have my doubts if we would be as good in a similar situation - and a major reason for that is the utter, and almost unique, awfulness of our media class.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 9:56 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Evening all.

Long day reading papers for our GB meeting which went on a bit tonight.

To recap...the letter that the Eton teacher sacked for disciplinary reasons - not free speech - wanted (i) nobody to mention it to the press. They then promptly did so and (ii) to contact Steven Pinker...

Prof Steven Pinker withdraws support for Eton teacher after watching 'tendentious' video

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Oops.

But the teacher has the full backing of Toby Young's Free Speech Union!

I'm sure that will make all the difference...

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 10:32 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Well quite.
Russ
@RussInCheshire
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6h
Leavers:

Won the referendum
Won the subsequent election
Led the negotiations
Chose the PM
Are 100% of the cabinet
Won another election
Wrote the Withdrawal Agreement
Led more negotiations

And now say its all Remainers' fault.

Fuck - and I can't stress this enough - off.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 10:34 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
They want power without responsibility in its purest form.

Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 10:57 pm
by adam
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Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 11:00 pm
by adam
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Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 11:01 pm
by adam
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Re: Monday 7th December 2020

Posted: Mon 07 Dec, 2020 11:48 pm
by citizenJA
Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA