Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th October 2014

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 6:32 pm

What are the Independent playing at ?

They have a piece headed online as 'Tony Blair: I did not say Ed Miliband will lose 2015 general election'

When you click on it you get a piece headlined 'Tony Blair 'says Ed Miliband will lose 2015 general election' '

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 6:34 pm

Reminder that the clocks go back, tonight. This is almost more a reminder for me because, a couple or three years ago, I put mine forward by mistake. I had really started worrying about no helpers (and no customers!) for the allotment trading shed when one of the chaps wandered by and said, "Oh we don't usually open 'til eleven you know." I looked at my watch. He looked at my watch. He showed me his watch.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 6:56 pm

Rachel ‏@racybearhold 24m24 minutes ago
So far 15,000 Sack Esther McVey leaflets distributed across Wirral West constituencies along with posters put in shops, houses and pubs.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 6:56 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:Reminder that the clocks go back, tonight. This is almost more a reminder for me because, a couple or three years ago, I put mine forward by mistake. I had really started worrying about no helpers (and no customers!) for the allotment trading shed when one of the chaps wandered by and said, "Oh we don't usually open 'til eleven you know." I looked at my watch. He looked at my watch. He showed me his watch.

I'm glad it's not just me. I once turned up an hour early for a Labour Party meeting which was, unusually for us, being held on a Sunday evening. I was Minutes Secretary at the that point. Needless to say, I never got the promotion to Hours Secretary.

Edited

General tidy.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:01 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:Reminder that the clocks go back, tonight. This is almost more a reminder for me because, a couple or three years ago, I put mine forward by mistake. I had really started worrying about no helpers (and no customers!) for the allotment trading shed when one of the chaps wandered by and said, "Oh we don't usually open 'til eleven you know." I looked at my watch. He looked at my watch. He showed me his watch.

I think I'm right in saying that now, clocks change across Europe at the same point...but in the days before, I went to get breakfast at a station cafe in Arezzo, thought it was odd that no-one was around...went back to the hotel, got my bag and went to catch the train..still no-one around...then noticed the clock...oh...

Worse, by the time I came back, the clocks in England had changed - I was very confused as to what time it was.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:09 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote:Reminder that the clocks go back, tonight. This is almost more a reminder for me because, a couple or three years ago, I put mine forward by mistake. I had really started worrying about no helpers (and no customers!) for the allotment trading shed when one of the chaps wandered by and said, "Oh we don't usually open 'til eleven you know." I looked at my watch. He looked at my watch. He showed me his watch.

I think I'm right in saying that now, clocks change across Europe at the same point...but in the days before, I went to get breakfast at a station cafe in Arezzo, thought it was odd that no-one was around...went back to the hotel, got my bag and went to catch the train..still no-one around...then noticed the clock...oh...

Worse, by the time I came back, the clocks in England had changed - I was very confused as to what time it was.

We are indeed unified with Europe, America still does different stuff - so all your US time zones will be out by an hour for the next few weeks.

I was most aggrieved to be in the US in March when their clocks went forward, I lost two hours of sleep this year and I only get one back.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:10 pm

Evening all, been out an about today
Just logged on twitter and seen this - fuming

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rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:19 pm

Tim Montgomerie @montie · 9m 9 minutes ago
Is this manoeuvring against Miliband pointless self-harm or is there real possibility he cld be replaced? Grateful for views of Labour folk

You tell us mate ... it's just as baffling, but probably a whole lot more infuriating, to us.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:23 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Evening all, been out an about today
Just logged on twitter and seen this - fuming

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Yes - it's amazing they can get away with something like that - but they can. They put Crosby into the shade really - Cameron must be wondering why he wasted his money on him.

I'm sort of hoping that UKIP, Tories and right wing media constant assaults on Miliband and Labour might just prove to be overkill for the public (or enough of them). If it looks like the biggest smear campaign ever, and smells like it, maybe they will just suss that it is one - and that could work against the dark forces - especially if they keep dragging the NHS and all who work in her into it.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:25 pm

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 4h 4 hours ago
New post.
Labour could be in trouble in the South Yorkshire PCC by-election http://bitly.com/1wqtUPV" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 4h 4 hours ago
A UKIP victory in the S Yorks PCC by-election will reinforce the narrative about the purples hurting LAB as well as CON

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:31 pm

George Eaton @georgeeaton · 41m 41 minutes ago
Odd claim that Miliband banned Lamont from attacking the bedroom tax for a year. He pledged to scrap it six months after it was introduced.

George Eaton @georgeeaton · 24m 24 minutes ago
@Kevin_Maguire I thought Labour position was that they always condemned it but didn't pledge to repeal until Sept. '13.

Well one or other of them should let the Guardian know ... not that it would make any difference to their reporting.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:42 pm

Jim Pickard retweeted
Chris Giles @ChrisGiles_ · 23h 23 hours ago
British officials well aware GDP revisions would affect EU budget. http://on.ft.com/1zovnIM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; #FT

It's things like that that make me think they perhaps aren't all pulling behind Cameron ... just a thought.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:47 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:http://academiesweek.co.uk/englands-lar ... l-concern/

Apols if I have posted something that has already been done, haven't been online for around 20 hours, which is a long time for me.

Normally enjoy Pointless, but with that line-up I would sooner watch ''Come dine with me''

The interesting bit is at the end:

The letter, which is addressed to new trust chair Rupert Gather, comes after the Department for Education (DfE) made a u-turn and decided to intervene into the trust’s plans to outsource non-teaching roles in a contract worth up to £400m.

In a letter seen by Academies Week in September, schools minister Lord Nash said that any final decisions about the outsourcing would be for Education Secretary Nicky Morgan to decide, despite the fact Dominic Herrington, the former director of the DfE’s academies group and now South East England and South London Regional Schools Commissioner, had told MPs in February that it was a matter for the board of trustees, not the DfE.

I might be wrong but there'd be an almighty row if after having given them a note about their concerns with financial control, the DfE then gave them the go-ahead to outsource all of their non-teaching staff activity.

If you can't control what you have now, why on earth would anyone would think you could manage such an outsourcing?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:54 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote:Reminder that the clocks go back, tonight. This is almost more a reminder for me because, a couple or three years ago, I put mine forward by mistake. I had really started worrying about no helpers (and no customers!) for the allotment trading shed when one of the chaps wandered by and said, "Oh we don't usually open 'til eleven you know." I looked at my watch. He looked at my watch. He showed me his watch.

I think I'm right in saying that now, clocks change across Europe at the same point...but in the days before, I went to get breakfast at a station cafe in Arezzo, thought it was odd that no-one was around...went back to the hotel, got my bag and went to catch the train..still no-one around...then noticed the clock...oh...

Worse, by the time I came back, the clocks in England had changed - I was very confused as to what time it was.
We are indeed unified with Europe, America still does different stuff - so all your US time zones will be out by an hour for the next few weeks.

I was most aggrieved to be in the US in March when their clocks went forward, I lost two hours of sleep this year and I only get one back.

We once made a argument that as we lost a day due to going over the International Date Line we should have got a reduction for holiday insurance purposes.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:57 pm

Dr Éoin Clarke @LabourEoin · 3h 3 hours ago
Oh. There's another UKIP song (via @NxtGenUK )
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and it's much much better.

Listen to it. It's not what you expect from Eoin Clarke's tweet!

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 7:59 pm

The rise of UKIP is "phenomenal" according to the Guardian. As it would be with all the publicity they get and policies that hardly ever scrutinised, just fuck off! I wouldn't put that paper down for the dogs to shit on. Sorry for the rant.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:01 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:The rise of UKIP is "phenomenal" according to the Guardian. As it would be with all the publicity they get and policies that hardly ever scrutinised, just fuck off! I wouldn't put that paper down for the dogs to shit on. Sorry for the rant.

Listen to the YouTube song I just posted letsskip. It'll make you feel much better. Very catchy refrain too.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:12 pm

G4S and Serco pay out £100,000 in youth restraint claims
Fourteen say unlawful measures used on them as children, with cases coming to light after deaths of two teenagers

Myatt was 1.47m (4ft 10in) and weighed 41.3kg (6st 7lb). One restraining officer was 1.85m (6ft 1in) and 101.6kg (16st). When he told the restraining officers he couldn’t breathe one replied: “Well, if you are shouting, you can breathe.”

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I don't know what to say.....

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:14 pm

Victims threaten to boycott Woolf inquiry into child abuse
Survivors of child abuse say they have no confidence in Lady Woolf as relationship with Lord and Lady Brittan is revealed
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... confidence

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:14 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:The rise of UKIP is "phenomenal" according to the Guardian. As it would be with all the publicity they get and policies that hardly ever scrutinised, just fuck off! I wouldn't put that paper down for the dogs to shit on. Sorry for the rant.
Listen to the YouTube song I just posted letsskip. It'll make you feel much better. Very catchy refrain too.

Far better than Reid's effort, but so would nails being scratched on a chalkboard, and tom cats fighting at 4am!

Had a little titter at this earlier, the guy still thinks the NF is the party for him though.

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rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:16 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
G4S and Serco pay out £100,000 in youth restraint claims
Fourteen say unlawful measures used on them as children, with cases coming to light after deaths of two teenagers

Myatt was 1.47m (4ft 10in) and weighed 41.3kg (6st 7lb). One restraining officer was 1.85m (6ft 1in) and 101.6kg (16st). When he told the restraining officers he couldn’t breathe one replied: “Well, if you are shouting, you can breathe.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't know what to say.....

You've hit the dreaded Rusbridger tally there AAW - quick - do another post before it sticks. (Bit like making a funny face when you're little ... you don't want to be stuck with it for more than a minute).

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:19 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
G4S and Serco pay out £100,000 in youth restraint claims
Fourteen say unlawful measures used on them as children, with cases coming to light after deaths of two teenagers

Myatt was 1.47m (4ft 10in) and weighed 41.3kg (6st 7lb). One restraining officer was 1.85m (6ft 1in) and 101.6kg (16st). When he told the restraining officers he couldn’t breathe one replied: “Well, if you are shouting, you can breathe.”
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't know what to say.....
You've hit the dreaded Rusbridger tally there AAW - quick - do another post before it sticks. (Bit like making a funny face when you're little ... you don't want to be stuck with it for more than a minute).

Ahhhh missed that!!!
will this count ????

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:26 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Evening all, been out an about today
Just logged on twitter and seen this - fuming

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Well this bloke has a go at them anyway ...

UKIP plumbs the depths with lies, innuendo and deceit.

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:27 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:34 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:35 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Goodnight, PF – sleep well and dream sweetly

(Yay! finally get to say it in real-time!)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:45 pm

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Fraser Nelson @FraserNelson · 2h 2 hours ago
Is this what you meant by "deal with the debt", George Osborne? http://specc.ie/1zlhSJK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (From the new @spectator)

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 8:59 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 9:04 pm

A lot of anti-Ed stuff on LBC tonight. I expect a press barrage tomorrow to continue the 'narrative'.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 9:09 pm

diGriz wrote:A lot of anti-Ed stuff on LBC tonight. I expect a press barrage tomorrow to continue the 'narrative'.

Good job I'm not the cynical type, I would think it was planned, must be a hoot for those who play these games, ring a few people up, put a few words in a few ears and bingo, start the bandwagon rolling, again.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 9:20 pm

GuardianEducation ‏@GuardianEdu · 21s21 seconds ago
Ofsted to investigate ‘superhead’ Rachel de Souza’s schools over inspection dates http://gu.com/p/42nxm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 9:23 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
diGriz wrote:A lot of anti-Ed stuff on LBC tonight. I expect a press barrage tomorrow to continue the 'narrative'.
Good job I'm not the cynical type, I would think it was planned, must be a hoot for those who play these games, ring a few people up, put a few words in a few ears and bingo, start the bandwagon rolling, again.

This looks like the last attempt by the Blairites to get their man in place.

The Guardian has some utter bollocks about the Care UK dispute, as though opposition leaders can instantly resolve disputes by stating an opinion.

Pathetic.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 9:26 pm

liane gomersall ‏@ligomersall 46s46 seconds ago
How could the home secretary blunder so badly over Fiona Woolf? - Catherine Bennett http://gu.com/p/42mm3/tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; via @guardian

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 9:26 pm

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 14s15 seconds ago
Tonight's YouGov for S Times sees LAB & CON once again level pegging.
CON 33%-1
LAB 33% -1
UKIP 16% +1
LD 7% +1
GRN 6% =

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 9:33 pm

Daniel France retweeted
Opinium Research ‏@OpiniumResearch 2h2 hours ago
Tories draw level with Labour in our latest Opinium/Observer poll: Con 33 (up 5pts), Lab 33 (-2), Ukip 18 (+1), LD 6% (-3)

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 9:40 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Daniel France retweeted
Opinium Research ‏@OpiniumResearch 2h2 hours ago
Tories draw level with Labour in our latest Opinium/Observer poll: Con 33 (up 5pts), Lab 33 (-2), Ukip 18 (+1), LD 6% (-3)

They are rather all over the shop though. The last one saw a big drop in Tory support.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 10:03 pm

Very depressing on social media, wall to wall anti-Ed, lots of anger. I don't get the Lamont story, unless the LP is about to eat itself. (This Ed-bashing now a weekly event.) Only light was the Telegraphs Cameron Osbourne European f/u story. Only beneficiary of all this will be Farage.

Can the Tories afford for Ed to go? Their entire strategy for the election is based on Ed-bashing.

A, I understood about the table, but the story is specifically about the 340,000 elderly (horrid term that) disabled people they are setting up to become new targets of public wrath. Living in houses, getting care, how dare they. There is a plan to make retired people work for their pension, it was mooted a few months ago, and plenty of disabled grandparents do look after their grandchildren. It's not so far fetched when you put it in that context. Or when you get to my age.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 10:26 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Daniel France retweeted
Opinium Research ‏@OpiniumResearch 2h2 hours ago
Tories draw level with Labour in our latest Opinium/Observer poll: Con 33 (up 5pts), Lab 33 (-2), Ukip 18 (+1), LD 6% (-3)
They are rather all over the shop though. The last one saw a big drop in Tory support.

The last poll was buried - this one is blazed across the Graun politics front page. Predictable - who knew??

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 10:39 pm

Not for the story - for the nice photo of Ed, for all us Ed loving ladies

Tony Blair rubbishes claim Ed Miliband can't win next General Election

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(night all)

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 11:01 pm

Went to see if Daniel Boffey had a Twitter a/c because I was going to ask Eoin Clarke to share the pic of Ed on the Doncaster picket line seeing as Boffey has trotted out another pack of lies about [EM] refusing to meet the stiking care workers.

Boffeys last tweet was:

@DanielBoffey: @Patrickfrench2 hi, can u call? Did DM number previously.. Am on daniel.boffey@observer.co.uk too

.

I went to see who Patrick French was & saw:

@PatrickFrench2: I can confirm this story is accurate. Earlier this year Tony Blair said Ed Miliband will lose the general election

Sigh, we can expect another missive from Boffey tomorrow then.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 11:06 pm

That Eoin Clarke pic

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 11:08 pm

Richard Osman only found out about MacKenzie's appearance on Pointless an hour before.He argued strongly against it but to no avail.Has been apologising profusely on Twitter.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sat 25 Oct, 2014 11:22 pm

pk1 wrote:Went to see if Daniel Boffey had a Twitter a/c because I was going to ask Eoin Clarke to share the pic of Ed on the Doncaster picket line seeing as Boffey has trotted out another pack of lies about [EM] refusing to meet the stiking care workers.

Boffeys last tweet was:

@DanielBoffey: @Patrickfrench2 hi, can u call? Did DM number previously.. Am on daniel.boffey@observer.co.uk too
.

I went to see who Patrick French was & saw:
I
@PatrickFrench2: I can confirm this story is accurate. Earlier this year Tony Blair said Ed Miliband will lose the general election
Sigh, we can expect another missive from Boffey tomorrow then.

Wasn't Ed on the picket line with those same workers?

Edited to apologise for typing the above in as many minutes as there are words, and missing the great pic of Ed picketing, which I thought we all saw at the time, nice to see even a seasoned blogger had missed this and is surprised (?) that it never created a media storm!

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Oct, 2014 12:12 am

pk1 wrote:That Eoin Clarke pic

It's also reported in the Morning Star that some of the carers visited Ed in his surgery and got his support: http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-82 ... rn-to-work" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Oct, 2014 12:18 am

Also bear in mind that Boffey used to write for the Mail on Sunday.

Post by **adam** » Sun 26 Oct, 2014 1:15 am

This is the weekend after a week-end where the Treasury and the Chancellor of the Exchequer failed to tell the Prime Minister that we were about to get a big bill from the EU, which we knew was coming but had just forgotten about, and the fucking press give us this pile of shit about Labour in response to it?

I know some people here have seriously doubted the idea that the Guardian will endorse the government going into the next election but it seems more and more likely to me.

Can I share a happy story instead? (A very rare event indeed these days). On Friday a group of Asian teachers at my school brought in Divali gifts for the whole of the staff: samosas and sweet-meats, the finest gifts a friday morning could imagine.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Oct, 2014 1:16 am

adam wrote:This is the weekend after a week-end where the Treasury and the Chancellor of the Exchequer failed to tell the Prime Minister that we were about to get a big bill from the EU, which we knew was coming but had just forgotten about, and the fucking press give us this pile of shit about Labour in response to it?

I know some people here have seriously doubted the idea that the Guardian will endorse the government going into the next election but it seems more and more likely to me.

Can I share a happy story instead? (A very rare event indeed these days). On Friday a group of Asian teachers at my school brought in Divali gifts for the whole of the staff: samosas and sweet-meats, the finest gifts a friday morning could imagine.

Mmm... samosas. What type?

Post by **adam** » Sun 26 Oct, 2014 1:27 am

refitman wrote:Mmm... samosas. What type?

Veggie ones. There's a shop on the corner of the street by my school that sells five very lovely warm veggie samosas for a pound. We're not strictly speaking supposed to go out during the day but it's usually possible to find a kid who's prepared to make a run for it.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Oct, 2014 1:34 am

adam wrote:
refitman wrote:Mmm... samosas. What type?
Veggie ones. There's a shop on the corner of the street by my school that sells five very lovely warm veggie samosas for a pound. We're not strictly speaking supposed to go out during the day but it's usually possible to find a kid who's prepared to make a run for it.

Had an Indian 'corner' shop by me, when I lived in Bristol. They had home-made lamb samosas and potato cakes. I miss them. And now I'm hungry.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 26 Oct, 2014 1:06 am

refitman wrote:
adam wrote:
refitman wrote:Mmm... samosas. What type?
Veggie ones. There's a shop on the corner of the street by my school that sells five very lovely warm veggie samosas for a pound. We're not strictly speaking supposed to go out during the day but it's usually possible to find a kid who's prepared to make a run for it.
Had and Indian 'corner' shop by me, when I lived in Bristol. They had home-made lamb samosas and potato cakes. I miss them. And now I'm hungry.

And now you've all made me hungry too

We were out on the hill, the other night, watching three separate Diwali fireworks displays. The beautiful temple at Neasden does a brilliant one and, like all Hindu and Jain temples and Sikh Gudwaras, they welcome visitors with open arms and hearts; and put on wonderful feasts. If anyone comes to London the Shri Swaminarayan Mandir (Neasden Temple) is well worth a visit. It is fully accessible, too: http://londonmandir.baps.org