Tuesday 28th October 2014

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:06 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Anyone know anything about Sarah Boyack MSP, standing for Labour leadership apparently.
Apparently protege of Margaret Curran.

Was head of Labour Students in the mid-80s, when I met her at least once.

Came across as a decent sort then and does now. Leadership material? Not so sure, tbh.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:08 pm

For those coming up to retirement that were consistently in the top income tax rate bracket, what were they typically getting as relief in percentage terms over the last 40 years?

I'm wondering how this compares to the tax rate they'll have to pay if they cash in.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:09 pm

Rees-Mogg condemns those who taped Lord Freud ''as a socialist in a dirty Mackintosh''

Not for the first time when it comes to Rees-Mogg my mind is boggled.

DonutHingeParty · Post by **DonutHingeParty** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:13 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
DonutHingeParty wrote:I see that the Whigs are reforming. A chance for Michael Fabricant to jump ship?

In all seriousness, though, looking at the principles of New Whiggery, I can't see any sign of protectionist trade policies or anti-Catholic discrimination, so I'm not sure if they have the right to use the name.
But who are they? not a word about who backs them on the web site.
The Whigs are returning to British politics. We are going into the 2015 General Election to provide a fresh choice to the British people, and to show that everyone can get involved in politics. Our campaign will be positive and optimistic, both online and in the streets.

The Whigs are back. Come and join the party

http://whigs.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They've offered a pretty whitewashed view of Whiggist history, too - John Russell, for example, is NOT popular in Ireland, for some reason

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/vi ... e_01.shtml

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:22 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its typical Akehurst - a rollicking good read with some valuable truths, but maybe not *the* most objective assessment of matters

(also file here: John McTernan)

I see he's mostly getting the finger BTL. I'm not too inclined to give him much credence, given that he's a scion of Progress.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:23 pm

Good afternoon.

Newcastle heart surgeons ‘damaged trust’ by stoking Leeds safety fears
Many claims that led to suspension of children’s surgery at rival Leeds were untrue and spurred by vested interests, says report (Guardian)

Oh, yes. There's nothing better than a bit of healthy competition within the NHS!

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... s-hospital

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:26 pm

ErnstRemarx wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its typical Akehurst - a rollicking good read with some valuable truths, but maybe not *the* most objective assessment of matters

(also file here: John McTernan)
I see he's mostly getting the finger BTL. I'm not too inclined to give him much credence, given that he's a scion of Progress.

OTOH he voted for and still supports Ed, and has been vocally critical of the Progress obsession with public sector "reform" and top down politics.

A definite curate's egg - but the party would be poorer without his type.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:37 pm

David Goodhart still making a fool of himself on Twitter with Jonathan Portes.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:40 pm

Afternoon all.

Ian Dunt @IanDunt · 4m 4 minutes ago
Govt lawyers have 25mins to respond to probation privatisation letter or it'll almost certainly go to judicial review http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2014/10 ... -publish-i" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Another judicial review. Grayling must be so pissed he lost that vote yesterday.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:50 pm

Rob Marchant retweeted
Emily Thornberry MP @EmilyThornberry · 24h 24 hours ago
"May I sympathise with PM for being taken by surprise about s/thing every1 in Foreign Office & Treasury have known for months" Ken Clarke

Did he really say that? Oh I say.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 3:58 pm

Jenny Jones ‏@GreenJennyJones 3h3 hours ago
I really must discuss this with all the journalists I know ... http://www.noiseofthecrowd.com/new-data ... he-greens/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

This is the piece she's talking about.

New data show the media really are ignoring the Greens
http://www.noiseofthecrowd.com/new-data ... he-greens/

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:03 pm

: JimMurphyPosterBoy.jpg (75.16 KiB) Viewed 10117 times

alexmassie @alexmassie · 4h 4 hours ago
This anti-Murphy poster, spread by Yes lefties, is *interesting*. Chiefly on account of the badges chosen.

This already has all the hallmarks of a nasty campaign acoming.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:06 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Jenny Jones ‏@GreenJennyJones 3h3 hours ago
I really must discuss this with all the journalists I know ... http://www.noiseofthecrowd.com/new-data ... he-greens/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
This is the piece she's talking about.
New data show the media really are ignoring the Greens
http://www.noiseofthecrowd.com/new-data ... he-greens/

A bit like they ignore anything Labour say then ? Unless its something bad that is.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:07 pm

https://www.facebook.com/AusProgressiveSociety" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Aussy's not at all happy with their right wingers either...

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:09 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
JimMurphyPosterBoy.jpg

alexmassie @alexmassie · 4h 4 hours ago
This anti-Murphy poster, spread by Yes lefties, is *interesting*. Chiefly on account of the badges chosen.
This already has all the hallmarks of a nasty campaign acoming.

It is just 'vibrant democracy' ™ at work.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:19 pm

Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 2h2 hours ago
@Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

andrew lawrence ‏@andrewlawrence · 2h2 hours ago
@frankieboyle Shame you couldn't be honest when you said you were retiring from stand-up- Jerry Sadowitz wants his act back mate.

Andrew Lawrence slams anti-UKIP comedians in online rant
http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-la ... t-4922419/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:21 pm

David Goodhart ‏@David_Goodhart 49m49 minutes ago
@jdportes @StrongerInNos I want numbers from someone objective not an ideological warrior who specialises in factual and conceptual quibbles

Today's leading post-liberal on cracking form.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:24 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
JimMurphyPosterBoy.jpg

alexmassie @alexmassie · 4h 4 hours ago
This anti-Murphy poster, spread by Yes lefties, is *interesting*. Chiefly on account of the badges chosen.
This already has all the hallmarks of a nasty campaign acoming.
It is just 'vibrant democracy' ™ at work.

He's been the chair of Labour Friends of Israel.

I think it's fair enough, insofar as personalized stuff like that is.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:28 pm

Tories cock up their Rochester & Strood by-election pamphlets, locals can get understandably pissy about things like that, damn shame!

http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/ ... rewed.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:32 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Tories cock up their Rochester & Strood by-election pamphlets, locals can get understandably pissy about things like that, damn shame!

http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/ ... rewed.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ha! Thanks for that - it put a smile on my otherwise glum face.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:46 pm

Chris Huhne loses legal costs appeal
Judges uphold ruling ordering former cabinet minister to pay £77,750 costs from trial over speeding points scandal (Guardian)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ing-points

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:56 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Chris Huhne loses legal costs appeal
Judges uphold ruling ordering former cabinet minister to pay £77,750 costs from trial over speeding points scandal (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ing-points

Oh yes!

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 4:57 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
JimMurphyPosterBoy.jpg
This already has all the hallmarks of a nasty campaign acoming.
It is just 'vibrant democracy' ™ at work.
He's been the chair of Labour Friends of Israel.

I think it's fair enough, insofar as personalized stuff like that is.

Depends what they are trying to imply really, doesn't it, especially when you consider some of their complaints about negative campaigning during Indyref. Ach, but what do I know .....

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:01 pm

Yes, I think lots on the YES side are irritatingly holier than thou on negative campaigning. Putting up projections about the aging Scottish population was considered below the belt.

But I've never met or spoken to a leftist who would interpret that as meaning "he likes Jews more than you" or "he's in the pockets of international Jewry".

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:05 pm

Christ knows what was scary about Alistair Darling. Knowing what he was talking about, probably.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:17 pm

Quite a few find Murphy's strident views on foreign policy offputting, tbh.

The good thing about his going to Holyrood is that they will be less relevant than his domestic platform, which is much more mainstream Labour.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:23 pm

Just got home from work to find a very official looking envelope on my front door mat. It looks like the kind of thing you get sent by the tax man. I was about to open it when I read the return address:

If undeliverable please return to:
UKIP Yorkshire & North Humberside

I hope they have to pay for the unopened letter I'm posting back to them tomorrow.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:27 pm

This came up on my FB feed just now...what are UKIP doing posing for photos with the Britain First (ex-BNP people) candidate in Rochester?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:32 pm

Spacedone wrote:Just got home from work to find a very official looking envelope on my front door mat. It looks like the kind of thing you get sent by the tax man. I was about to open it when I read the return address:

If undeliverable please return to:
UKIP Yorkshire & North Humberside

I hope they have to pay for the unopened letter I'm posting back to them tomorrow.

Put an osmium card in it.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:35 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:This came up on my FB feed just now...what are UKIP doing posing for photos with the Britain First (ex-BNP people) candidate in Rochester?

Exposing the truth that we all know about them?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 5:43 pm

Ha, ha. Policy Exchange's "get Wilshaw" bites its own bum.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/10/f ... criticism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As the schools watchdog Ofsted launches a consultation on its own inspections, the Guardian has been canvassing views from across the education sector.

Jonathan Simons, head of education at Tory think tank Policy Exchange, reckons it is headteachers — and, by extension, their bosses, the governing body — who should determine the criteria on which their own school should be judged:

“Ofsted should be a hygiene inspector, not a food critic. By that I mean it should be headteachers who are the dominant actors: they should be the ones saying this is what we’re doing, these are the outcomes, here’s the data to prove it".

Could this be the Jonathan Simons who founded the Greenwich Free School, which, errr, received a ‘requires improvement’ rating — the second lowest of four — in an inspection report released in April this year?

And could this be the Jonathan Simons who chairs a governing body that a subsequent monitoring inspection visit found was “not taking effective action to tackle the areas relating to teaching that were identified at the [previous] inspection”?

The very same!

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:08 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote: I'd like to think that, but I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe.
BTL at the DT was taken over by Kippers a long while ago - everyone else gets shouted down.
And BTL on the Guardian? And on Twitter? And, to be frank, on buses and trains? What those people BTL on the Telegraph are saying will resonate with many (far too many) people in this country; it is why Fallon made the comments he made earlier this week (at, I am sure, the behest of Crosby, dipping their toes in the water) and why this policy has been announced today.

On another matter. I've just peeped into Sparrow's blog for the first time in a few weeks; I'm unsurprised to see that he is not covering the Opposition Day debate, but does seem to be inordinately concerned with why Labour has yet to respond to this Tory/BNP policy - so business as usual, cover the arse of the Government and undermine the opposition. So glad to see nothing has changed, means my decision to walk away was the correct one.

Reminds me of Yugoslavia. Things resonated there. Didn't make them true. Or right. These would be marginal opinions it they hadn't been whipped up from around 2006.

I'm fed up of the blaming and justification for what are essentially bigoted views.

THE way it's ok to use poppies to represent British deaths in a British war but not to include lives lost fighting for empire. Both my grandads were in that war in the same place, looking after British interests, they came from opposite sides of the world. A hundred years on we're still pursuing it.

These sour sad ideas were present when I was the only brown child in my school, when going to the shops was a minor version of the walk of shame, when my dad - who really hadn't expected it all because he believed in a modern equal world - would go tight lipped and grim when people he stopped to talk to would say of his children, aren't they dark, and got called nigger lover, when my lovely educated teacher mum would get hissed at by women at the school gate so she saw me to the crossing instead and I walked to school alone because though the children weren't kind the parents were much worse, and there would be a teacher at the gate - I never told her about the 'Chinese burns' I collected on the way. Before the influx of black people mid fifties. Before the Uganda crisis. Before rivers of blood. In fact this thinking split my fathers family in two. The grandfather and aunt who loved us all and who we adored as kids, and the grandmother, aunt and uncle who were sniffily condescending and outspokenly racist, and who we feared because they wanted to send us back like letters addressed to the wrong person. It was a while before we realised that the exotic 'home' mum talked about was the same as 'back'. In the mean time we felt like bad children, and didn't know why. When mum went to teach in the slums that used to exist here, in what later became Claire Shorts patch, we learned that other children had mums and dads who made them feel that way, which was puzzling, because they weren't brown and didn't get called the bad words we couldn't say, but there was a whole new vocabulary we were never to use, and the children were often spiteful to each other. Now formalised into morning tv shows.

It's an insular meanspiritedness that keeps people down, in their place, and ignorant. The 'I'm entitled to my opinion' thing, buying into racism, the 'no difference between them' view of politics, scroungers and fraudsters rubbish, disability hate, and lots of other barely believable tosh.

My childhood was lit thankfully, by the other side of Britishness. I'll always be mixed, have something of both worlds. People of mixed origin are the fastest growing group of people in the UK, there's way more of us than 'migrants' but we are included in the talley of 'migrants' even third and fourth gen people are when they're visibly different. FFS, reading the trollery about Ed shows how this works. Yet a few years ago lots of young people simply didn't see colour or difference as an issue.

TBH I thought for many years it was all but dead, just a minority thing, but there you go,it's alive and kicking, and doing so well that people are accepting it as a valid way to view the world, in parliament and politics, on screen, in writing......

It's just like Yugoslavia. It's like playing with fire.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:14 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Yes, I think lots on the YES side are irritatingly holier than thou on negative campaigning. Putting up projections about the aging Scottish population was considered below the belt.

But I've never met or spoken to a leftist who would interpret that as meaning "he likes Jews more than you" or "he's in the pockets of international Jewry".

During the run up to the Palestinian recognition debate Twitter was awash with 45ers who were predicting (inaccurately, as it turned out) that Labour would never vote for recognition because "that would upset their paymasters in Jerusalem"; as it happens Murphy abstained from the vote.

That badge isn't on there by accident; it is in keeping with the rhetoric before that Palestine vote, and it has imo a clear implication. You and I both know it is garbage, but we aren't the audience at which it is being targetted.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:19 pm

Who could be cynically targeted like that? Just from the badges, they'd have to be Old Labour and anti-Semitic. I don't come across many like that on the Labour left or the Green Party left.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:40 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Who could be cynically targeted like that? Just from the badges, they'd have to be Old Labour and anti-Semitic. I don't come across many like that on the Labour left or the Green Party left.

Why "and" and not "or"? I read it as being targeted at two separate groups, those who say Labour are just not socialist enough (i.e. most of the people who post here) and good old-fashioned bigots; I grant you that there is a limited amount of overlap between those two groups.

What makes all of this, and the announcement this morning about the refugees, all the more depressing is that it happened today; today Sir Nicholas Winton was honoured by the Czech Government for the Kindertransporten, for saving hundreds of children from the horrors of the Holocaust. There were people then who complained about the "influx of refugees flooding into the country" (most notably Rothermere's Daily Mail) and, 76 years on, people are still saying it; the contrast between the honour being given to Sir Nicholas and the statement being issued by Theresa May is too depressing for words.

Like seeingclearly (and thank you for sharing those thoughts) I thought we'd moved on, that we had matured as a society. In that, as in so many things, I was wrong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29798434" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:40 pm

Can't help contrasting two stories from the news today.

1. Sir Nicholas Winton, honored today for the work he did as a young man, saving the lives of over 600 Jewish children by organising transport for them out of Czechoslavakia.

2. From the Guardian:
Britain will not support any future search and rescue operations to prevent migrants and refugees drowning in the Mediterranean, claiming they simply encourage more people to attempt the dangerous sea crossing, Foreign Office ministers have quietly announced.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:41 pm

I know he's probably electioneering, but Christ, if this idiot fell under one of his buses what loss would it be?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... n-HS2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

London so desperately needs another 20 billion doesn't it?

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:47 pm

Our energy capability in the 21st Century, hoping for a mild winter, and if things get a bit tight asking nicely if factories will shut down a few lines or close for a week. FFS!

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 23077.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:55 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Who could be cynically targeted like that? Just from the badges, they'd have to be Old Labour and anti-Semitic. I don't come across many like that on the Labour left or the Green Party left.
Why "and" and not "or"? I read it as being targeted at two separate groups, those who say Labour are just not socialist enough (i.e. most of the people who post here) and good old-fashioned bigots; I grant you that there is a limited amount of overlap between those two groups.

What makes all of this, and the announcement this morning about the refugees, all the more depressing is that it happened today; today Sir Nicholas Winton was honoured by the Czech Government for the Kindertransporten, for saving hundreds of children from the horrors of the Holocaust. There were people then who complained about the "influx of refugees flooding into the country" (most notably Rothermere's Daily Mail) and, 76 years on, people are still saying it; the contrast between the honour being given to Sir Nicholas and the statement being issued by Theresa May is too depressing for words.

Like seeingclearly (and thank you for sharing those thoughts) I thought we'd moved on, that we had matured as a society. In that, as in so many things, I was wrong.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29798434" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's come from left of Labour people. Old fashioned bigots aren't of any interest to them, and vice versa. Having something aiming at two such antagonistic groups makes no sense to me. Left-wing supporters of Palestine are far more likely.

You do get BNP "some leftwing policies, hate the Jews" types, but the emphasis on the far right has shifted a lot to Muslims being the enemy.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 6:57 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
DonutHingeParty wrote:I see that the Whigs are reforming. A chance for Michael Fabricant to jump ship?

In all seriousness, though, looking at the principles of New Whiggery, I can't see any sign of protectionist trade policies or anti-Catholic discrimination, so I'm not sure if they have the right to use the name.
But who are they? not a word about who backs them on the web site.
The Whigs are returning to British politics. We are going into the 2015 General Election to provide a fresh choice to the British people, and to show that everyone can get involved in politics. Our campaign will be positive and optimistic, both online and in the streets.

The Whigs are back. Come and join the party

http://whigs.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Registered Party reference number PP 2380 (Registered on 15/09/14)

Party Leader: Mr Waleed Ghani
Nominating officer: Mr Waleed Ghani
Treasurer: Miss Felicity Anscomb

They claim/intend to stand candidates in England, Scotland, Wales, and Combined Region (what does that mean?); and their registered address is a flat in Camberwell, SE London.
https://pefonline.electoralcommission.o ... ofile.aspx

What on earth is that animal emblem meant to be? Deer? Llama?

Both named individuals work for DIEM Consulting – who provide services to the Ministry of Defence. Waleed Ghani served in the Army Intelligence Corps and has been a broadcast journalist for Panorama and Dispatches. Felicity Anscomb has worked within the MoD but that might have been a secondment, her profile is not clear on that, but has been at DIEM for seven years.
http://www.diemconsulting.co.uk/about-us/waleed-ghani (Link on same page for Miss Anscomb.)

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:05 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:I know he's probably electioneering, but Christ, if this idiot fell under one of his buses what loss would it be?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... n-HS2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

London so desperately needs another 20 billion doesn't it?

Think it's £10bn from Treasury, £10bn raised locally. It could certainly raise more itself- Johnson has frozen his share of council tax for 6 years, I think.

But the Tories have very serious electoral problems in London, so it might not be an entirely serious announcement. And he has a habit of breaking transport promises.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:09 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:This came up on my FB feed just now...what are UKIP doing posing for photos with the Britain First (ex-BNP people) candidate in Rochester?

There's been quite a bit of to and fro about this on Twitter. Otto English keeps asking them to explain themselves about it ... answer comes there none.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:14 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:This came up on my FB feed just now...what are UKIP doing posing for photos with the Britain First (ex-BNP people) candidate in Rochester?

Probably think they are an Armed Forces-supporting charity...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:24 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
DonutHingeParty wrote:I see that the Whigs are reforming. A chance for Michael Fabricant to jump ship?

In all seriousness, though, looking at the principles of New Whiggery, I can't see any sign of protectionist trade policies or anti-Catholic discrimination, so I'm not sure if they have the right to use the name.
But who are they? not a word about who backs them on the web site.
The Whigs are returning to British politics. We are going into the 2015 General Election to provide a fresh choice to the British people, and to show that everyone can get involved in politics. Our campaign will be positive and optimistic, both online and in the streets.

The Whigs are back. Come and join the party

http://whigs.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Registered Party reference number PP 2380 (Registered on 15/09/14)

Party Leader: Mr Waleed Ghani
Nominating officer: Mr Waleed Ghani
Treasurer: Miss Felicity Anscomb

They claim/intend to stand candidates in England, Scotland, Wales, and Combined Region (what does that mean?); and their registered address is a flat in Camberwell, SE London.
https://pefonline.electoralcommission.o ... ofile.aspx

What on earth is that animal emblem meant to be? Deer? Llama?

Both named individuals work for DIEM Consulting – who provide services to the Ministry of Defence. Waleed Ghani served in the Army Intelligence Corps and has been a broadcast journalist for Panorama and Dispatches. Felicity Anscomb has worked within the MoD but that might have been a secondment, her profile is not clear on that, but has been at DIEM for seven years.
http://www.diemconsulting.co.uk/about-us/waleed-ghani (Link on same page for Miss Anscomb.)

Nice sleuthing! thank you

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:35 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:36 pm

End of the Full Monty dole queue: Ministers install 23,000 electronic pads in jobcentres to make it easier to sign on
New computers and technology to replace job cards and dole books
1997 Full Monty included iconic scene of jobless steel workers dancing
Ministers insist the changes will help more people into work
Job cards in jobcentre windows to be replaced with new computers
Paper books used to claim Jobseekers Allowance to be torn up
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... gn-on.html

I missed this from a few days ago. McVey in full crow about it - but most of the comments seem to be pointing out it will inevitably mean fewer Job Centre staff needed so we can expect to see many of them joining the other side of the counter ...

And others worried about the implications of total reliance on a machine in the prevailing regime of sanctions, sanctions and more sanctions.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:39 pm

Spacedone wrote:Just got home from work to find a very official looking envelope on my front door mat. It looks like the kind of thing you get sent by the tax man. I was about to open it when I read the return address:

If undeliverable please return to:
UKIP Yorkshire & North Humberside

I hope they have to pay for the unopened letter I'm posting back to them tomorrow.

UKIP and 'undeliverable' seem to go quite well together.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:50 pm

MagsNews retweeted
YorksLass ‏@ChrissieOAP · 1h1 hour ago
.@MagsNews Tory MatthewHancock is thick, he accused Labour of bringing up JimmySaville in debateThey, were talking abt LordSavlie re Coal

sometimes I just don't quite follow tweets....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:51 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 28 Oct, 2014 7:59 pm

Here's another (not tweet) I don't understand.

“Supporters fee” for voting in the London Mayor primary confirmed"
The fee for non-members voting in primary to select Labour’s candidate for the London Mayoralty has been confirmed as £3. The Party’s National Executive Committee (NEC) agreed on the price in a meeting tonight. This will come as a relief to many, following reports that the fee could be as high as £10 – rumours that were roundly denounced by potential candidates. Diane Abbott and Tessa Jowell have both said that a £10 price would put off people who would otherwise take part, while David Lammy set up “Three to Decide”, a campaign to make sure the participation fee is no more than £3.
Labour’s selection for the 2016 race will take the form of a primary so, while all members will have a vote as normal, non-member Labour supporters can sign up and vote for a one-off fee. Currently, the only confirmed candidates are David Lammy and Christian Wolmar.
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As a member do I get a vote or is it London peps only? If I do then why? What's it got to do with me?

I'd be miffed if the whole country had a say in a vote that just affected my area, and that brings me to being miffed that votes are being charged for....
All very

Can anyone enlighten me

(I'll just sit back and eat

for now, coz I love the

man - also what happened to tin foil man, he was the best'est ?)