Saturday 23rd & Sunday 24th January 2021

Post by **refitman** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 7:45 am

Morning all.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 11:13 am

Good morning.

"Hey don't try and get us involved in your petty culture war about statues!"

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 11:23 am

BMA appear to be endorsing WHO guidance to administer second vaccine doses within 6 weeks. Serious questions really need to be asked about wtf the government are doing. We've been told over and over again about the relationship between age and the seriousness of the disease. Surely it's far more important to ensure those likely to die in the over-80s group are properly and fully protected than rushing to half cover less vulnerable groups. Medical staff exposed to higher loads of the virus at the very least surely need the full cover. We won't know until we get data following second doses in two- three months time if the big gap compromises the ultimate protection conferred - at which point so many people will have been inadequately covered we'll be stuck with our mistake. Like everything this government has done it's an optimistic gamble with enormous costs if it goes wrong. A gamble that's come about because of the awful situation we find ourselves in because of previous decisions taken against scientific advice.
Combined with a twitter feed full of stories of fishermen who have only just realised the ability to catch more fish is meaningless if the cost is access to the market they need in order to sell them is making the news very depressing reading this morning.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 11:34 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Good morning.

"Hey don't try and get us involved in your petty culture war about statues!"

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The removal of the bust is indicative of what we already know about Biden's outlook, though. So it does mean what people think it means, the "special relationship" is no longer quite so special.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 12:21 pm

Apart from all the other questions relating to the second dosage delay, does the Pfizer vaccine lose any of its overall efficacy if the two doses aren't given according to the manufacturer's (and now WHO's) guidelines?

Does your chewing gum lose its flavour on the bedpost overnight?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 12:25 pm

Cheshire cheesemaker says business left with £250,000 'Brexit hole'

Simon Spurrell says his firm lost 20% of sales and will switch £1m investment to France (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-hole

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 12:39 pm

Leader of the Welsh Tories has resigned.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 1:12 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Leader of the Welsh Tories has resigned.

It seems they didn't think drinking in the workplace, a sackable offence for the average worker, was doing anything wrong when everyone else is being asked to forego such socialising down the pub and at home for the greater good.
I'm getting echoes of Animal Farm, with hard working, miserable, alcohol deprived Welsh voters looking on through the window as their piggy overlords pass round the port.....

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 1:22 pm

@Willow904

I've just again read (this time more carefully) your Covid post and discovered that you'd already posed the question about efficacy (but not the chewing gum one which is a glaring omission on your part).

Sorry about that. I've been turning that particular Covid question over in my mind for some days now.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 1:31 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Leader of the Welsh Tories has resigned.

What's his health got to do with it?

“However, for the sake of my party, my health and my own conscience, I simply cannot continue in post.”

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 1:36 pm

Willow904 wrote: Combined with a twitter feed full of stories of fishermen who have only just realised the ability to catch more fish is meaningless if the cost is access to the market they need in order to sell them is making the news very depressing reading this morning.

Did you see the piece I tweeted last night?

Oyster fishermen in Falmouth. He can do the paperwork, his wife's French and making sure what's needed on the other side, he's prepared to charter flights to Brest, such is the value of the stuff, the holdup is

because Defra hasn’t even created the form that allows them to export to Europe after Brexit.

He’s been told that it won’t be ready until April 21 but the shellfish season finishes on March 30th and doesn’t start again until November.

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gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 1:41 pm

Another 'look what you could have won' moment, Shami Chakrabarti interview in Tribune.

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The process was started by Labour and accelerated by the Tory-Lib Dem coalition. It meant that ordinary British people of all backgrounds were watching a Human Rights Act story in the context of the War on Terror that was all about foreigners, terrorists, and refugees. It was never taxi drivers and hairdressers getting human rights, because the inaccessibility of legal aid meant they could never get access to justice.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 1:57 pm

PorFavor wrote:@Willow904

I've just again read (this time more carefully) your Covid post and discovered that you'd already posed the question about efficacy (but not the chewing gum one which is a glaring omission on your part).

Sorry about that. I've been turning that particular Covid question over in my mind for some days now.

It's the complete lack of data on a 12 week interval that really bothers me. There haven't been any trials at all so our mass experiment will provide the first answers, but only after it's too late to change approach. It's just so arrogant. Right at the start the WHO recommended a global policy of elimination because they were concerned about mutations. The UK failed to take their recommendations seriously and now we have the worst death rate in the world. Yet our government still thinks it knows better. It's reckless and irresponsible, all to lift lockdown sooner to "save" an economy they have deliberately sabotaged with Brexit anyway and all we can do is keep our fingers crossed and hope they get lucky, however much they don't deserve to.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 2:27 pm

Willow904 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:@Willow904

I've just again read (this time more carefully) your Covid post and discovered that you'd already posed the question about efficacy (but not the chewing gum one which is a glaring omission on your part).

Sorry about that. I've been turning that particular Covid question over in my mind for some days now.
It's the complete lack of data on a 12 week interval that really bothers me. There haven't been any trials at all so our mass experiment will provide the first answers, but only after it's too late to change approach. It's just so arrogant. Right at the start the WHO recommended a global policy of elimination because they were concerned about mutations. The UK failed to take their recommendations seriously and now we have the worst death rate in the world. Yet our government still thinks it knows better. It's reckless and irresponsible, all to lift lockdown sooner to "save" an economy they have deliberately sabotaged with Brexit anyway and all we can do is keep our fingers crossed and hope they get lucky, however much they don't deserve to.

It's possible that we could be heading down the path to wasting all the Pfizer vaccine supplies through being too arrogant to follow the instructions on the packet.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 2:27 pm

Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Leader of the Welsh Tories has resigned.
It seems they didn't think drinking in the workplace, a sackable offence for the average worker, was doing anything wrong when everyone else is being asked to forego such socialising down the pub and at home for the greater good.
I'm getting echoes of Animal Farm, with hard working, miserable, alcohol deprived Welsh voters looking on through the window as their piggy overlords pass round the port.....

They did it twice, after being censured the first time.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 2:47 pm

refitman wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Leader of the Welsh Tories has resigned.
It seems they didn't think drinking in the workplace, a sackable offence for the average worker, was doing anything wrong when everyone else is being asked to forego such socialising down the pub and at home for the greater good.
I'm getting echoes of Animal Farm, with hard working, miserable, alcohol deprived Welsh voters looking on through the window as their piggy overlords pass round the port.....
They did it twice, after being censured the first time.

That's probably why he had to go tbh.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 3:11 pm

refitman wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Leader of the Welsh Tories has resigned.
It seems they didn't think drinking in the workplace, a sackable offence for the average worker, was doing anything wrong when everyone else is being asked to forego such socialising down the pub and at home for the greater good.
I'm getting echoes of Animal Farm, with hard working, miserable, alcohol deprived Welsh voters looking on through the window as their piggy overlords pass round the port.....
They did it twice, after being censured the first time.

So they're thick AND stupid

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 3:39 pm

PorFavor wrote: It's possible that we could be heading down the path to wasting all the Pfizer vaccine supplies through being too arrogant to follow the instructions on the packet.

Not arrogance imo, just determination to keep the 'best in the world' narrative going, vaccination being the only thing we have been good at. The top line number is all they care about.

They don't care if we die.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 4:37 pm

The sheer mendacity behind universal credit once again revealed:

https://www.ekklesia.co.uk/2021/01/23/u ... rrational/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Universal Credit childcare rule ‘unlawful and irrational’

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 5:16 pm

UK asylum seekers told claims at risk if they ‘misbehave’

Call for Home Office to act after private contractors tell people their applications will be jeopardised for speaking out, going on hunger strikes or complaining about food

Two military barracks in Kent and south Wales and a number of hotels were seconded by the Home Office last September with their day-to-day running outsourced to a private contractor called Clearsprings. Another refugee camp opened in Bedfordshire last week and more are planned. (Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... -misbehave

Clearsprings: Migrant Camp Profiteers
by Corporate Watch / Housing, Migration, News, Slider / 04 Dec 2020

https://corporatewatch.org/clearsprings/

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 6:21 pm

Have a guess which party this one represents.

Ami Jones
@JonesTheBosher
Very disappointed to finish a night shift on ITU to hear that my local MS @DavidRowlandsMS is claiming during senedd debates that COVID is "no more dangerous" than other respiratory tract infections, such as the flu” and that “there is no real pandemic”
1:22 PM · Jan 23, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 9:45 pm

Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told

Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues

Brexit nightmare: British businesses at breaking point (Observer)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... shop-in-eu

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 23 Jan, 2021 10:34 pm

Grant Shapps (or is it Michael Green?) making headlines in tomorrows papers it would appear.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 2:33 pm

hello

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 4:12 pm

Grant Shapps faces fury over mass Covid outbreak at DVLA

Minister under fire for ‘shameful’ virus spread as staff told to work on with more than 500 cases at agency in Swansea (Observer)

"Don't ask me," was probably the response. Humorously, of course as we all know how much Grant Shapps enjoys a good laugh.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... ent-agency

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 4:18 pm

Here's Republican Congressman Madison Cawthorn in action.

(He's the one who lied about training for the Paralympics, lied about being accepted into a Naval Academy and lied about running his own property business).

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1353 ... wsrc%5Etfw

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 4:36 pm

Even the BBC are reporting it now.

UK firms told 'set up in EU to avoid trade disruption'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55786974

The evident stupidity of Starmer whipping Labour to vote for this farce is becoming more apparent with each passing day.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 5:23 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:hello

Hello there.

Had to spend some time I might have used to post on here earlier, clearing a blocked toilet instead.

Oh joy.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 9:05 pm

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 9:18 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Had to spend some time I might have used to post on here earlier, clearing a blocked toilet instead.

Talking of which I've just been eating haggis.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 9:19 pm

We need some good news.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 9:39 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:We need some good news.

Man Utd beat Liverpool.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 9:55 pm

I like Zarah Sultana. The Labour party could do with a few more like her.

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 10:03 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:We need some good news.
Man Utd beat Liverpool.

Liverpool haven't won a cup game at OT for a full century.

How good does that feel?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 10:45 pm

refitman wrote:I like Zarah Sultana. The Labour party could do with a few more like her.

She has a great name, though not quite as good as Bambos Charalambous.

It's outright corruption and as far as I'm aware the only Newspaper to call it like it is thus far has been the New York Times. And it's revealing that while the right wing rags continue to kick up a stink about laws being imposed to keep people safe during a pandemic they've had absolutely nothing to say about procurement laws being suspended. Lots of bleating from the likes of Toby Young about having to wear a 'face nappy' but not a murmur about the Tory Party fast tracking billions of pounds to their friends and backers. You'd think with all this public money being divvied out and squandered that the Taxpayer's Alliance would be up in arms but we've not heard a peep from them. What about the Institute for Economic Affairs? Surely Mark Littlewood and his cronies are apoplectic at this shocking giveaway of taxpayer's money? Nope, just an appearance on Newsnight saying people on Universal Credit shouldn't keep getting their extra £20.

The sad truth is Zarah could shout all this from the rooftops, but with an 80 seat majority and a right wing media and political cabal that couldn't give a shit we're powerless to do anything about it.

At least for the moment.

Because surely in any sane country at some point there has to be a serious enquiry into why, for example, Matt Hancock helped the landlord of his local pub get a multi-million pound contract to provide vials for test kits when his small business up until that point had only produced takeaway boxes and ended up using bouncy castles at the entrance as a decontamination area.

If that had happened in some benighted banana republic our own government wouldn't hesitate to call it corruption, but it didn't, it happened in Suffolk, which apparently makes it fine.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 10:46 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:
refitman wrote:I like Zarah Sultana. The Labour party could do with a few more like her.
She has a great name, though not quite as good as Bambos Charalambous.

It's outright corruption and as far as I'm aware the only Newspaper to call it like it is thus far has been the New York Times. And it's revealing that while the right wing rags continue to kick up a stink about laws being imposed to keep people safe during a pandemic they've had absolutely nothing to say about procurement laws being suspended. Lots of bleating from the likes of Toby Young about having to wear a 'face nappy' but not a murmur about the Tory Party fast tracking billions of pounds to their friends and backers. You'd think with all this public money being divvied out and squandered that the Taxpayer's Alliance would be up in arms but we've not heard a peep from them. What about the Institute for Economic Affairs? Surely Mark Littlewood and his cronies are apoplectic at this shocking giveaway of taxpayer's money? Nope, just an appearance on Newsnight saying people on Universal Credit shouldn't keep getting their extra £20.

The sad truth is Zarah could shout all this from the rooftops, but with an 80 seat majority and a right wing media and political cabal that couldn't give a shit we're powerless to do anything about it.

At least for the moment.

Because surely in any sane country at some point there has to be a serious enquiry into why, for example, Matt Hancock helped the landlord of his local pub get a multi-million pound contract to provide vials for test kits when his small business up until that point had only produced takeaway boxes and ended up using bouncy castles at the entrance as a decontamination area.

If that had happened in some benighted banana republic our own government wouldn't hesitate to call it corruption, but it didn't, it happened in Suffolk, which apparently makes it fine.

You'd think people like the TPA would be up in arms about this sort of thing. What's that? Not a peep? Colour me shocked.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 11:05 pm

Around a decade ago, the TPA almost literally had a permanent place on the BBC news channels. Who arranged that and why?

We have never been told, but probably should be.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 11:10 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Liverpool haven't won a cup game at OT for a full century.

How good does that feel?

I didn't know that, thanks AK.

The biggest problem I have with Liverpool currently is I really like Jurgen Klopp. He's just the right side of bonkers.

Take today for example, there was an innocuous scuffle near the corner flag, the ball went over the line and Liverpool tried to claim a corner but the referee gave United a goal kick. I was watching without the fake crowd noise (not a fan) and you could clearly hear Klopp bellowing at the top of his voice "What are you talking about? Are you crazy?", like a John McEnroe impersonator putting on a funny accent.

It's rare to like the manager of your rivals but he's just so adorable.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 11:11 pm

Evening.

This guy's a barrister. Nice chap.

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Check out the replies. Didi I mention that he's associated with Spoked?

Now check out the Pinned Tweet...they are not happy...

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But...but...free speech!

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 24 Jan, 2021 11:26 pm

This gave me a chuckle.

From the Taxpayers' Alliance Wiki.

When Nick Ferrari asked TPA's campaign manager Susie Squire whether she was "secretly Conservative", she rejected the accusation as "outrageous" saying the organisation was "totally independent". In 2010, Squire became a special adviser to the Conservative Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, Iain Duncan Smith, before going on to become head of press for the Conservative party. Squire subsequently worked as David Cameron's press secretary in 10 Downing Street.

I also wondered about what happened to Dia Chakravarty who was the ~~nutcase~~ political director they used to have on Question Time and Newsnight because I've not seen her in ages. It turns out she's now the 'Brexit editor' for the Telegraph (of course).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dia_Chakravarty

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 12:31 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:This guy's a barrister. Nice chap.

Quite.

I don't often use the word here but what a cunt.

When I was at school in my teens I had backcombed, dyed hair and wore eyeliner like any other self respecting goth, it never got me into trouble with teachers because nobody gave a shit back then and as far as I'm aware my appearance didn't undermine school discipline other than the usual dickheads giving me more crap than they'd given me previously. And that was my choice.

This lass is doing none of that, her hair is natural, she's not even backcombing it into an afro, it's absurd.

I talked to my brother about his school's policy on their student's hair after hearing a similar story last year and he said anything past collar length for boys and a certain height of hair for girls was banned and I was horrified and asked if he was provided with callipers to measure such things.

How have we slipped back to the 1950's?

Where an insitence on conformity can be used as an excuse for outright racism?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 12:42 am

TinyClanger is right, we want the goodest news available to humanity.

We want it here and we want it now.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 1:23 am

I'd like to hear a lot more from Rosena Allin-Khan - although I suspect she's being kept a tad busy right now.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 1:39 am

Take this you...nice people.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 1:43 am

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 1:45 am

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 2:01 am

I forgot about this, whis is a bit ironic.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 2:05 am

Languase no longer meany anything.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 2:23 am

Night night.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 25 Jan, 2021 2:32 am

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