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Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:42 am
by refitman
Morning all.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 10:10 am
by gilsey
Good morning.


Peter Oborne's got a book out, The Assault on Truth.
Peter Oborne
@OborneTweets
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@OborneTweets
To mark publication I have sent 15 examples of misleading statements by Johnson or his ministers, which remain uncorrected on the Hansard record in defiance of Erskine May and the Ministerial Code, to Mr Speaker. Copied to party leaders.


I have also send the list of false and misleading statements to Jacob Rees-Mogg, leader of the Commons. I know he is a stickler for correct procedure. Also dispatched to Lord Evans, Chair of the Committee on Standards in Public Life.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 12:10 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Good morning.

Decent walk in the park with 'er outdoors spotting different birds n'stuff.

On this, I can't say I blame them...an agreement signed triumphantly 5 weeks ago and they now want to bin part of it!

Dublin and EU reject call to scrap Northern Ireland Brexit protocol

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The Irish foreign minister, Simon Coveney, told BBC Ulster “there is not going to be very dramatic change”, in the face of calls by the DUP for the protocol to be urgently axed.

“We want the protocol to function in a way that works for everyone, north and south, on the island of Ireland,” he said.

Foster hit back on the same programme, accusing Coveney of being “completely tone deaf to the concerns of unionism”.
Not actually his problem though - Foster ought to be having a go at the UK government about this.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 12:27 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Well its the DUP innit, though maybe she is letting Johnson know what she thinks off the record.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:02 pm
by gilsey
RogerOThornhill wrote: Foster ought to be having a go at the UK government about this.
Foster and the govt both volunteered for it. :roll:

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:18 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Well hi there, nice to see somebody else is about.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:28 pm
by gilsey
Thread from Lewis Goodall on Scottish Affairs Select Committee

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Lewis Goodall
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@lewis_goodall
Speakers note that were it not for Covid and the fact that so much demands has been suppressed as a result of European hospitality being effectively shut down, that the new export system would have collapsed completely.
Lewis Goodall
@lewis_goodall
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@lewis_goodall
Anyone blithely dismissing these issue as teething problems needs to examine the testimony of these two select committees today. Problems which exist not only in Scottish and Welsh businesses but English ones too.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:31 pm
by gilsey
Some of those fishing industry people also volunteered.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:34 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
If you mean that they voted for Brexit, then yeah. But several of them were also genuinely misled, it increasingly appears.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:34 pm
by gilsey
Dougan cuts to the chase on NI.

Michael Dougan
@mdouganlpool
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@mdouganlpool
13) Those options are:
a UK asks to rejoin Custom Union+Single Market as third country
b UK asks to rejoin EU as Member State
c Northern Ireland rejoins EU through reunification with Republic
d Hard border, threat to GFA, risk of civil conflict
So, Tories / DUP: which one is it?
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Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:35 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
I expect that actually it might be e) - there is some sort of fudge. But one which is more of a climbdown for us than them.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:39 pm
by gilsey
AnatolyKasparov wrote:If you mean that they voted for Brexit, then yeah. But several of them were also genuinely misled, it increasingly appears.
Up to a point.

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Bletch
@dannygoodall
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That article makes very real the fact that those that voted to leave the EU each had a bespoke-Brexit in mind.

Mr Buchan, then, wanted to leave without a 2-year transition, but needed migrant labour, wanted access to the EU market, but also wanted to trade across the globe.
Unicorns.

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 6:40 pm
by gilsey
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I expect that actually it might be e) - there is some sort of fudge. But one which is more of a climbdown for us than them.
Ad infinitum, I'm sure.


But but but Brexit's done, isn't it?

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 8:49 pm
by tinyclanger2
I have a small book called "Be A Unicorn: & live live on the bright side" by Sarah Ford. I particularly like the first bit of guidance on how to approach the reading of this tome:

"Always read this book with a smile on your face but not on the toilet (unicorns would never do that)"

[unicorn emoticon]

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 10:32 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
gilsey wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I expect that actually it might be e) - there is some sort of fudge. But one which is more of a climbdown for us than them.
Ad infinitum, I'm sure.


But but but Brexit's done, isn't it?
Its "done" except for when it suits the government for it not to be done (ie a bit of flag waving to distract the masses)

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 10:34 pm
by tinyclanger2
Which inevitably brings us here:
(from Unicorn not AK that is)

Re: Thursday 4th February 2021

Posted: Thu 04 Feb, 2021 11:03 pm
by AnatolyKasparov
Another day looks set to pass here without cJA's presence - hope that everything is OK there.