Friday 31st October 2014

DonutHingeParty · Post by **DonutHingeParty** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:13 pm

So as both Labour and the Lib Dems have said they'll scrap 'em, this PCC is pretty much on a 6 month contract.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:15 pm

Apparently Labour vote similar to 2012 on a lower turnout.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:15 pm

Labour have won Rotherham apparently

PHEW

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:16 pm

Britain Elects @britainelects · 54s 54 seconds ago
Labour take Rotherham on first preferences.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:21 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Landmark legal victory for allotments over redevelopment
Farm Terrace plot-holders in Watford quash decision by Eric Pickles to turn site into housing and car park (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle ... es-housing

Edited to, hopefully, get quote right,

Bloody marvellous. Well done to them. I will be having a drink to celebrate that tonight.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:22 pm

Phew, some good news at last, police commissioner & allotments.

[Need a blows cheeks out in relief smilie].

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:23 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Labour have won Rotherham apparently

PHEW

More news to celebrate. Looks like I may be in a bit of a state by the end of the evening.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:25 pm

Well - a lot of Labour bods must have done exactly as Paul says and gone out to vote for something they probably didn't want in the first place to make sure UKIP doesn't surge.

I am very very very grateful to them.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:25 pm

Claimed that Labour have something like 50.02% on first preferences. It is not clear if UKIP will ask for a recount

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:26 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Labour have won Rotherham apparently

PHEW
More news to celebrate. Looks like I may be in a bit of a state by the end of the evening.

That's no way for the Home Secretary to behave.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:28 pm

How will the usual suspects spin it as 'bad news for Ed' ?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:28 pm

In other bizarre news, FTN and HindleA have both Retweeted Dan Hodges

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:30 pm

Britain’s most controversial landlords, Fergus and Judith Wilson, whose property empire extends to nearly 1,000 homes in Kent, have begun evicting families with more than two children, banned tenants on zero-hours contracts and thrown out extended families where the grandmother comes to stay.

Last January, the Wilsons sparked a national outcry after it was revealed they were evicting anyone on housing benefit. They sent the eviction notices to 200 tenants, saying they preferred eastern European migrants who defaulted much less frequently than single mums on welfare. They said at the time that the move was purely an economic decision and was entirely legal as landlords do not have to give a reason before obtaining a possession order on a home.

But, in a bizarre twist, the Wilsons have begun evicting many of their eastern European tenants – because they are having too many children. “I have taken the decision to evict all families with more than two children and also three-generation households,” said Fergus Wilson in a statement sent to the Guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/o ... g-families

This man sounds like he's got a King Herod complex .... what a totally twisted mindset.

Yes - whoever it was said this earlier on upthread - please let interest rates rocket and knock this berk off his perch.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:31 pm

Oh Ed......

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:31 pm

PorFavor wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Labour have won Rotherham apparently

PHEW
More news to celebrate. Looks like I may be in a bit of a state by the end of the evening.
That's no way for the Home Secretary to behave.

I can kick off my kitten heels with the best of em ...

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:39 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: More news to celebrate. Looks like I may be in a bit of a state by the end of the evening.
That's no way for the Home Secretary to behave.
I can kick off my kitten heels with the best of em ...

Go girl go

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:40 pm

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 49m 49 minutes ago
A failure to win S Yorkshire PCC by-election is bad news for UKIP given background & effort it's put in.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:41 pm

@yahyah, did you get my PM ? Have heard others say they don't get notifications of them so you might not have seen I sent one.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:41 pm

Have been looking for confirmation of the Sheffield Hallam count.

A big piece of cake for anyone who can label it as true.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:42 pm

Thanks for the info about Labour plans 're buses PaulfromYorkshire.This is a particularly important issue for those of us reliant on public transport/have mobility considerations to take account of.Each separate mode of transport may be accessible but lack of integration can be a nightmare to negotiate.We end up using taxis for annoyingly small journeys but not feasibly done otherwise(if that makes sense).Though each journey is not that expensive,it soon mounts up as does the blood pressure.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:42 pm

@PK - thanks for the updates. I've been copying them over to the Graun.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:44 pm

refitman wrote:@PK - thanks for the updates. I've been copying them over to the Graun.

T'was a pleasure - I love 'real' elections

Wish they would bloody well hurry up & officially announce the result though....

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:45 pm

Just found out the Lost Deposits didn't field a candidate so the Sheffield Hallam result doesn't mean much does it ?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:58 pm

pk1 wrote:
refitman wrote:@PK - thanks for the updates. I've been copying them over to the Graun.
T'was a pleasure - I love 'real' elections

Wish they would bloody well hurry up & officially announce the result though....

I'm not sure. We can carry on being enjoying it for a while before they start on why it's bad for Ed.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 1:59 pm

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 36m36 minutes ago
Close but no cigar for Farage. RT @Markfergusonuk: Labour wins Rotherham by 800 votes and avoids 2nd round of voting by 0.02%!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:00 pm

Rumour of a recount

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:01 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Rumour of a recount

UKIP would be entitled to ask for that under the rules, tbf.....

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:03 pm

yahyah wrote:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 49m 49 minutes ago
A failure to win S Yorkshire PCC by-election is bad news for UKIP given background & effort it's put in.

Surely some mistake - I thought only one person was allowed to have 'bad news'?

I think Dodgy Dave may have crossed some sort of line wrt his support of Woolf...the noise in the MSM is getting louder.

Why does a Frenchman only use one egg to make an omelette?

Because un ouef is enough...

OK I'll get my hat as well

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:03 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Rumour of a recount
UKIP would be entitled to ask for that under the rules, tbf.....

Really ? The difference is said to be 800 votes & I thought it had to be 500 or less ??

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:04 pm

I've not heard\seen anything on the news (BBC) about the PCC election (although I've been fielding 'phone calls so I could have missed it - but there's nothing on the breaking news tickertape thingy at the bottom of the TV screen). Endless coverage of the Labour-in-Scotland story, though.

And as an irrelevant aside - students at my daughter's university have been told not to use the phrase "brain-storming" as it's offensive to epileptics (or people with epilepsy as I prefer to call them - labelling people as ,,,,,ics anything is offensive, in my view, as it reduces them to being defined by their medical condition). The students have been told that "thought-showering" is the phrase du jour.

Edited to add the word "have"

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:09 pm

Mark Ferguson ‏@Markfergusonuk 7m7 minutes ago
UKIP called for a recount in the South Yorks PCC by-election. What a bunch of absolute time wasters. It was refused.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:10 pm

pk1 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Rumour of a recount
UKIP would be entitled to ask for that under the rules, tbf.....
Really ? The difference is said to be 800 votes & I thought it had to be 500 or less ??

Even if he pushes Labour to 49.9% I suspect second preferences won't save him. Not everybody will give one. Do all those Tory voters want UKIP as second choice? How many English Democrats read the voting rules?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:13 pm

UKIP aren't expecting to win now - its about showing that they "pushed Labour all the way". Though if Mark F is correct its academic anyway.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:14 pm

PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 24s25 seconds ago
Home Affairs Committee chair Keith Vaz summons Fiona Woolf for fresh questioning by MPs

Representative for some of the victims was on TV earlier having met with the Home Office officials & stated categorically that they had no faith in any process if Woolf was to be involved.

Sky news has done it's job by highlighting the differences between the draft letters.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:16 pm

#failinggrayling

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/oct ... s-grayling" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Senior judge calls on justice secretary Chris Grayling to attend hearing to answer how justice can be delivered

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:23 pm

Perhaps we should Tweet DFH and ask him if the South Yorkshire result is "Bad news for Nigel Farage"

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:23 pm

PorFavor wrote:I've not heard\seen anything on the news (BBC) about the PCC election (although I've been fielding 'phone calls so I could have missed it - but there's nothing on the breaking news tickertape thingy at the bottom of the TV screen). Endless coverage of the Labour-in-Scotland story, though.

And as an irrelevant aside - students at my daughter's university have been told not to use the phrase "brain-storming" as it's offensive to epileptics (or people with epilepsy as I prefer to call them - labelling people as ,,,,,ics anything is offensive, in my view, as it reduces them to being defined by their medical condition). The students been told that "thought-showering" is the phrase du jour.

On euphemisms (if that is one) one of the things I've noticed while travelling recently is hotel toiletries labelled as "renewing body bar" or similar.

Said items?

Bog standard soap

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:25 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:Perhaps we should Tweet DFH and ask him if the South Yorkshire result is "Bad news for Nigel Farage"

TBF Hodges was spot on today.

Dan Hodges
@DPJHodges
Ukip's attempt to use victims of child abuse as political cannon fodder in Rotherham has failed.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:29 pm

Max Bell ‏@UseTheLeftWing 4m4 minutes ago
Less than 30 votes (0.02% of 148,012), prevented a 2nd preference run-off. With South Yorkshire's 1.1m electors, that's astonishingly close.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:30 pm

BBC now covering the PCC by-election. Alan Billings (the victor) rather impressive in the short burst we got from him. Low-key but assured.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:31 pm

HindleA wrote:#failinggrayling

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/oct ... s-grayling" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Senior judge calls on justice secretary Chris Grayling to attend hearing to answer how justice can be delivered

That's yet another shocking shocking indictment of this government's disastrous 'policies' (they're not policies are they - they're just cuts and punishments of the poor).

I'm just left thinking, as I so often do, how are they getting away with this?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:31 pm

PorFavor wrote:students at my daughter's university have been told not to use the phrase "brain-storming"

"brain showering" sounds very socks-and-sandals.

(apologies in advance to anyone wearing both).

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:33 pm

It's official:

Police and Crime Commissioner By-Election 2014

The election took place on Thursday 30 October.

Total number of valid first preference votes: 148,062

ALLEN David

English Democrats - "Putting England First!"

8,583 (5.8%)

BILLINGS Alan

Labour Party Candidate

74,060 (50.02%)

CLARKSON Jack

UK Independence Party (UKIP)

46,883 (31.66%)

WALKER Ian

The Conservative Party Candidate

18,536 (12.52%)

Number of ballot papers rejected at first count: 2,299

The turnout in the South Yorkshire Police Area at this election was 14.88%.

Alan Billings, Labour Party Candidate, has been elected as the Police and Crime Commissioner for South Yorkshire.

https://www.barnsley.gov.uk/services/co ... -elections" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:35 pm

Here we go

Labour have clung onto the post of South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner, but Ukip saw a surge in support.

Torygraph

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:35 pm

pk1 wrote:
PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 24s25 seconds ago
Home Affairs Committee chair Keith Vaz summons Fiona Woolf for fresh questioning by MPs
Representative for some of the victims was on TV earlier having met with the Home Office officials & stated categorically that they had no faith in any process if Woolf was to be involved.

Sky news has done it's job by highlighting the differences between the draft letters.

The survivors' representative was pretty categorical that the groups he was speaking on behalf of (quite a few of them) had now decided they would not participate in an enquiry with Woolf at its head - and that they wanted nothing less than a statutory inquiry with full powers.

Of course - Cameron's timing is as spot on as usual - he has issued his statement of full confidence in Woolf just as pretty much everyone else, and certainly those who matter most, decide otherwise.

Plonker.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:37 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Here we go
Labour have clung onto the post of South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner, but Ukip saw a surge in support.
Torygraph

'clung onto' .....????

That's pretty pathetic reporting given they got over 50% of the vote.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:42 pm

According to the BBC David Cameron is unwavering (or glossy and unbending, or something) in his support for Fiona Woolf. The legal representative of the survivors was interviewed and was very good.

Apologies if I make more errors than usual. I've somehow reduced the font-size to microscopic and don't know how to undo it. I can't see a bloody thing.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:44 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:students at my daughter's university have been told not to use the phrase "brain-storming"
"brain showering" sounds very socks-and-sandals.

(apologies in advance to anyone wearing both).

No socks and my late Uncle's slippers FWIW.

minch · Post by **minch** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:45 pm

PorFavor wrote:According to the BBC David Cameron is unwavering (or glossy and unbending, or something) in his support for Fiona Woolf. The legal representative of the survivors was interviewed and was very good.

Apologies if I make more errors than usual. I've somehow reduced the font-size to microscopic and don't know how to undo it. I can't see a bloody thing.

Try CTRL + it should make the text larger

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 31 Oct, 2014 2:48 pm

minch wrote:
PorFavor wrote:According to the BBC David Cameron is unwavering (or glossy and unbending, or something) in his support for Fiona Woolf. The legal representative of the survivors was interviewed and was very good.

Apologies if I make more errors than usual. I've somehow reduced the font-size to microscopic and don't know how to undo it. I can't see a bloody thing.
Try CTRL + it should make the text larger

Thank you, thank you, thank you!