Tuesday 11th November 2014

Post by **refitman** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 7:29 am

Morning all. Labour lead at 1 point on Yougov:

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 10th November -

Con 32%, (-1)
Lab 33%, (no change)
LD 6%, (-1)
UKIP 17%; (+1)

APP -24 (-3)

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 7:43 am

The Guardian calls it "chaos", the Mail calls it "chaos", the Times calls it "chaos"……..

…..so presumably the articles on weak, rudderless Cameron are being penned as we speak?

Oh, good morning

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 7:46 am

Ephemerid213 retweeted
Owen Smith MP ‏@OwenSmithMP 5m5 minutes ago
'Tainted', 'Shambolic', 'complete chicanery'...just three Tory views of Cameron on EAW yesterday: The real lesdership crisis in UK politics.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 7:53 am

According to one person BTL at the Groan it was all the fault of that dastardly puppetmaster Ed Miliband, forcing that really lovely Theresa May to utterly abuse the Parliamentary procedure and pretend that a vote for one thing means that it's indicative of support for something else.

I guess this whole new "tag on whatever you want to a vote and pretend it gives you a mandate" wheeze means that the Government can now slip through whatever they want without really talking about it. I look forward to the forthcoming "Aren't kittens lovely / Bring back slavery for the poor" Bill.

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 7:53 am

Morning all...and thank you (and welcome!) to WelshIan for the link to the Welsh Government rebuttal of the Daily Heil lies...we'll see how IPSO respond

WebackEd still trending

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 7:54 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:The Guardian calls it "chaos", the Mail calls it "chaos", the Times calls it "chaos"……..

…..so presumably the articles on weak, rudderless Cameron are being penned as we speak?

Oh, good morning

You are funny sometimes

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 7:59 am

Good Morning from a rather wet and wild Wales!

And to make my morning better here comes Nick Robinson.

Aha, Downing Street calls Labour's debate the day before the R&S by-election a "stunt" coming from a party of stunts I will treat that with the derision it deserves.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 8:16 am

The NHA Party ‏@NHAparty 9m9 minutes ago
Govt plan to save NHS £1bn/yr by keeping patients out of hospital branded a “shambles” http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 52400.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

DonutHingeParty · Post by **DonutHingeParty** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 8:18 am

Re: EAW dabate; watched the whole thing. Ken Clarke as my least worst Tory mostly good form except for his wilful misrepresentation of the Lisbon Treaty. Labour securedcan opt out for this very reason; he can't blame them because the Tories can't get agreement with 40 or so of their backbenchers.
David Davis also in the better half saying "Well, she SAYS there'll be a vote tomorrow, but how do we know we can trust her." Because promising a vote and then not delivering would be the act of a duplicitous, contemptible - oh, I see what he did there.

DonutHingeParty · Post by **DonutHingeParty** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 8:21 am

Spacedone wrote:According to one person BTL at the Groan it was all the fault of that dastardly puppetmaster Ed Miliband, forcing that really lovely Theresa May to utterly abuse the Parliamentary procedure and pretend that a vote for one thing means that it's indicative of support for something else.

I guess this whole new "tag on whatever you want to a vote and pretend it gives you a mandate" wheeze means that the Government can now slip through whatever they want without really talking about it. I look forward to the forthcoming "Aren't kittens lovely / Bring back slavery for the poor" Bill.

Don't you remember that counter bill for the Bedroom tax they proposed which had something like "This house believes that the Labour government left the country in a terrible state" or something?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 8:32 am

Morning.

Very Happy Birthday to mbc1955.

See - I haven't forgotten it's today. Have a great day - indulge yourself in whatever ways you can - and really enjoy some considerable Tory discomfort ...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 8:36 am

Oh .... expletive ... now we've got Jim Naughtie telling Yvette Cooper - and the R4 listeners - that it was Labour's fault it was chaos in parliament - that they were faffing around in calling for the debate to be halted.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 8:54 am

I rather wish I had a sub to the Times to read this one ...

: OsbornesEconomicRecoveryLaidBare.jpg (43.77 KiB) Viewed 17892 times

Tim Montgomerie @montie · 1h 1 hour ago
Another top notch OpEd from @EdConwaySky on the contradictions in Britain's economic recovery http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/c ... 263661.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

How are they getting away with the supposed pretence of having a credible long term plan for the economy ... when even the Times is pointing out how dire things really are?

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:03 am

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Good Morning from a rather wet and wild Wales!

And to make my morning better here comes Nick Robinson.

Aha, Downing Street calls Labour's debate the day before the R&S by-election a "stunt" coming from a party of stunts I will treat that with the derision it deserves.

...aah yes, the party of cunning stunts.

I know this is behind a Murkydochian mist, but have I wandered into an alternate universe again?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... -vote.html

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:06 am

Morning !

Belated birthday wishes for Giselle

&

Happy birthday mbc1955

Am making some Delia Smith chocolate brownies [haven't made them for years] today - plenty of virtual helpings for you all.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:06 am

Mark Ferguson ‏@Markfergusonuk 28m28 minutes ago
I seldom read Rod Liddle, but when he says “The best, by a million miles, was Labour’s Naushabah Khan” I notice http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... rochester/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:09 am

Just been listening to a 'debate' on R4 about payday loans and so forth which barely touched on the real reason for them growing in recent years. Only towards the end did the think tank wonk mention 'low productivity' in a macroeconomic sense. Barely able to contain my excitement I thought, he's going to mention 'low wages and insecure jobs' and lo, he did, but barely paused as he missed the central issue completely.

We have people going to payday loans sharks (they're not proper companies) because of the economic model in the UK, and what that does to jobs, both in availability and pay levels. Few decent well-paid jobs + job insecurity + mass unemployment = rise of payday loan sharks, all of which can be summed up as social disaster brought on by a completely shit neoliberal economic model that rewards only the rich. That Times editorial - which I can't access - appears to grasp this. Pity so few others do.

PS - Happy birthday mbc1955!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:09 am

Arghh, just deleted Lucy Powell's new email from Labour by accident.

If someone else has just got it, would you mind posting it please ?
[You can have extra choc brownies].

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:24 am

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Good Morning from a rather wet and wild Wales!

And to make my morning better here comes Nick Robinson.

Aha, Downing Street calls Labour's debate the day before the R&S by-election a "stunt" coming from a party of stunts I will treat that with the derision it deserves.

Whenever people here talk about 'wet' Wales, I'm reminded of this poster (which, I think, I pinched originally from someone here)

: srowpstrgif.gif (25.56 KiB) Viewed 17838 times

...and Happy Birthday to Giselle/mbc1955

Tizme1 · Post by **Tizme1** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:28 am

yahyah wrote:Arghh, just deleted Lucy Powell's new email from Labour by accident.

If someone else has just got it, would you mind posting it please ?
[You can have extra choc brownies].

Morning all,

Happy birthday mbc1955 and belated birthday wishes to Giselle.

Is this the one you mean yahyah?

Today I started my first full week in my new role running the day-to-day operations of our election campaign. As you can imagine, it's been straight in at the deep end...

But I wanted to introduce myself to you before the day is out, because the role you decide to play in this campaign is vitally important.

We have less than six months to win this election and make Ed our next prime minister, and we are focused on the hard work of making that happen.

So here's our first big task together: this Saturday we'll be taking our campaign out into the battleground seats that will decide what happens in May.

Let's come out fighting and show the true strength of the Labour movement — because no party can match us when it comes to the number or passion of our volunteers. So, Colleen, will you show up for Labour this weekend?

Yes, I'll volunteer on Saturday.

I can't volunteer this weekend, but I'll show my support online.

We're under no illusion about how the Tories plan to conduct their campaign. They will lie about our policies, they will refuse to tell the truth about their own record — and of course, they will be bankrolled by millionaire donors and cheered on by friends in the media.

Our strategy is different. We have a leader who will make a great prime minister, we have policies that will change the country for the better, and we have you. Our plan relies on our volunteers winning this election house by house, street by street, community by community — talking to people in the key seats that will decide the election.

So when I say the outcome of the next election depends on you, I really mean it. We can't outspend the Tories, but we can out-organise them. Say you'll show up for Labour on Saturday.

(And if you're not able to volunteer this weekend, say you'll donate to make sure our field team has the supplies they need.)

This is a fight for nothing less than the chance to turn around Britain's future. I've laid out the scale of the challenge bluntly for you below, but as Ed said last week, I know we are equal to it. So, let's get out there and win.

Best wishes,
Lucy

Lucy Powell
Vice Chair of Labour's General Election Campaign

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:28 am

One thing that is in danger of being ignored in the EAW melée is the reports on London airports expansion.

Not something I know much about, but thought I should flag it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29998859" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are a official reports at Government Publications for anyone who wants a delve!

Here's Heathrow

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ern-runway" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:36 am

Morning all.

Happy Birthday MBC1955, and a belated Happy Birthday to Giselle.

Good article in the New statesman about last night's shambles; unlike The Sparrow they have, correctly imo, declared it as a win for Labour, especially with the opportunity to inflict some extra damage on Dave's credibility the day before R & S.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... vote-wasnt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:36 am

Thanks Tisme !

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:37 am

Speaking of Murkydochia (as I often do

)...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... _hp_ref=tw

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and- ... r-comfort/

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and- ... -coulsons/

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:39 am

Lonewolfie wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Good Morning from a rather wet and wild Wales!

And to make my morning better here comes Nick Robinson.

Aha, Downing Street calls Labour's debate the day before the R&S by-election a "stunt" coming from a party of stunts I will treat that with the derision it deserves.
Whenever people here talk about 'wet' Wales, I'm reminded of this poster (which, I think, I pinched originally from someone here)

srowpstrgif.gif
...and Happy Birthday to Giselle/mbc1955

Jasper Fford I assume.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:42 am

Good morning.

I've logged in without reading all of last night's comments, I'm afraid. But I did so in order to wish mbc1955 happy birthday. I see I'm not the only one to have remembered!

@mbc1955

Happy birthday!

Last night's vote was a rum do. Although at least we were treated to some delightful pictures of David Cameron in full fig. Lovely.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:43 am

yahyah wrote:Morning !

Belated birthday wishes for Giselle

&

Happy birthday mbc1955

Am making some Delia Smith chocolate brownies [haven't made them for years] today - plenty of virtual helpings for you all.

I have NO use for virtual brownies.Cruel.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:47 am

yahyah wrote:Arghh, just deleted Lucy Powell's new email from Labour by accident.

If someone else has just got it, would you mind posting it please ?
[You can have extra choc brownies].

yahyah,if you look in your mail trash bin,the deleted email will be sitting there unless you have deleted it permanently.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:50 am

For some reason all this talk of cake and brownies has reminded me of the ever fragrant Hannah Waldram ... please pause for a poignant moment.

I so so hope she has gone on to a beta place. (Sorry, coat was got before I wrote it.)

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:50 am

*glow of embarrassment*

Aww shucks. Thank you everyone for your kind wishes. I am currently devouring new books and have a raid on Central Manchester planned for a little later. As a birthday wish, I would like World Peace, the opening of the ground to suck in the entire Conservative Party or the correct numbers for tonight's EuroMillions (just don't ask which one I'd take first...)

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 9:59 am

mbc1955 wrote:*glow of embarrassment*

Aww shucks. Thank you everyone for your kind wishes. I am currently devouring new books and have a raid on Central Manchester planned for a little later. As a birthday wish, I would like World Peace, the opening of the ground to suck in the entire Conservative Party or the correct numbers for tonight's EuroMillions (just don't ask which one I'd take first...)

Happy birthay.Love new books for my birthday/christmas/whenever.Is there anything better?
If you won the euromillions first you could distribute some to help world peace?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:02 am

Morning all.

Birthday wishes (belated and otherwise!)

Eric Pickles in do as I say, not as I do shocker. Bonus pics of Gideon at the end. Look how *wierd* he is

http://huff.to/1u1kIQo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I had a YouGov political survey today, first in a long long time. Feels rather cathartic slamming the coalition.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:03 am

Good of C4 to give Farage free publicity, he's really in need of it isn't he?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/n ... x-spin-off" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Getting pissed watching tv, Christ, what a clown.

Post by **adam** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:10 am

Happy birthday mbc1955

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mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:11 am

Rebecca wrote:
mbc1955 wrote:*glow of embarrassment*

Aww shucks. Thank you everyone for your kind wishes. I am currently devouring new books and have a raid on Central Manchester planned for a little later. As a birthday wish, I would like World Peace, the opening of the ground to suck in the entire Conservative Party or the correct numbers for tonight's EuroMillions (just don't ask which one I'd take first...)
Happy birthay.Love new books for my birthday/christmas/whenever.Is there anything better?
If you won the euromillions first you could distribute some to help world peace?

The plan is, and always as been, with any large win to spend half on family, friends and causes I support. The only fly in the ointment is that the damned machines refuse to throw up the right numbers.

But I live in Reddish (which is nowhere near Peterborough).

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:11 am

Good morning, everyone. My standards are definitely slipping.

Belated happy birthday wishes to giselle.

@TechnicalEphemera

Ah - Jasper Fforde. Thanks for jogging my memory. There must be some reading I can catch up on.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:19 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:For some reason all this talk of cake and brownies has reminded me of the ever fragrant Hannah Waldram ... please pause for a poignant moment.

I so so hope she has gone on to a beta place. (Sorry, coat was got before I wrote it.)

Ha! I somehow knew you'd be missing her as much as I do. I really regret the absence of those scintillating convos, those bons mots . . .

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:23 am

PorFavor wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:For some reason all this talk of cake and brownies has reminded me of the ever fragrant Hannah Waldram ... please pause for a poignant moment.

I so so hope she has gone on to a beta place. (Sorry, coat was got before I wrote it.)
Ha! I somehow knew you'd be missing her as much as I do. I really regret the absence of those scintillating convos, those bons mots . . .

you could always follow her @HRWaldram / hannahrw

well you could if you were on Twitter or Instagram (where she works)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:24 am

A quick drop in to add birthday wishes for MBC1955, and a belated Happy Birthday to Giselle - hope your special days are full of fun

Catch you all laters, need to get some work done ....

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:26 am

she seems to be in San Francisco at the moment

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:33 am

In response to the idea (btl) that a Labour/ukip coalition is on the card after election......

GeoffWhit ID90470724 10m ago
UKIP/Labour? Satan and all his little minions will be wearing ice skates before that happens.

:lol!:

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:36 am

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Good of C4 to give Farage free publicity, he's really in need of it isn't he?

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/n ... x-spin-off" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Getting pissed watching tv, Christ, what a clown.

Polly Toynbee was questioning on Twitter last night whether this should be referred to Ofcom, as a clear example of political bias. Mind you, the Kippers would then start screaming that they were being gagged.

Post by **adam** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 10:57 am

Very good piece (I think) about the new Band Aid single…

Ebola Crisis: Three Things Band Aid Should Really Be Singing About

… with some of the most depressingly predictable shit occurring btl

Africa's current problems have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with colonialism, or slavery or the debt issue. It is entirely due to corruption, stupidity, tribalism and mismanagement.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 11:02 am

New payday loan rules to cap fees, total cost and default charges
Financial Conduct Authority rules will reduce the cost for most borrowers, but debt campaigner Stella Creasy MP says the cap needs to be lower to change behaviour of lenders
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/n ... s-caps-fca

Creasy is clearly winning the argument though. Isn't capping the interest rate exactly what they refused to do a while back ...?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 11:16 am

I see that Hugo was back yesterday in the other place - with the username "AJ4PM". Maybe that wasn't the best timing

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 11:23 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that Hugo was back yesterday in the other place - with the username "AJ4PM". Maybe that wasn't the best timing

And today, if I'm not mistaken, as herefortheday.

At least he knows his account will be zapped at some point.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 11:30 am

Lotta lurve going on between Nadine Dorries and Louise Mensch.

Nadine Dorries MP @NadineDorriesMP · Nov 10
@LouiseMensch @CllrAngela @lucyallan @mark_a_ellison @MPritchardMP not sure you wld be welcome in any seat having handed your own to Labour

Nadine Dorries MP @NadineDorriesMP · Nov 10
@LouiseMensch @CllrAngela @lucyallan @mark_a_ellison @MPritchardMP I've never been booed at Tory conference Louise, that accolade is yours

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 11:36 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:I see that Hugo was back yesterday in the other place - with the username "AJ4PM". Maybe that wasn't the best timing
And today, if I'm not mistaken, as herefortheday.

At least he knows his account will be zapped at some point.

The thing is, there isn't much point in replying to him if those posts are going to be zapped as well

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 11:37 am

And for something completely different:

Harry Leslie Smith ‏@Harryslaststand 16h16 hours ago
@Ed_Miliband You inspire me b/c I know you will get Britain back to building a strong economy for all as well as caring communities for all

Ed MilibandVerified account
‏@Ed_Miliband
@Harryslaststand I'm humbled by your support, Harry, thank you. You have my word, we won't let people down.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Tue 11 Nov, 2014 11:37 am

Happy birthday mbc

Again broke my boycott as I followed a link sent to me by somebody who was incandescent with rage. Having read it, I can fully understand why !

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... new-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

After the multitude of articles based on nothing but a couple of discontented MPs & gossip, the Groan seriously come up with this editorial ????????