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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning All!

Given the current interest in Julie Bailey, I decided it was finally time to publish this piece

Is Julie Bailey, founder of Cure the NHS, guilty of misleading Parliament?

http://flythenest.org/viewtopic.php?p=14482" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

refitman wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning All!

Given the current interest in Julie Bailey, I decided it was finally time to publish this piece

Is Julie Bailey, founder of Cure the NHS, guilty of misleading Parliament?

http://flythenest.org/viewtopic.php?p=14482" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good work Paul.

(Also, I now understand some of the messages I've seen on the FTN twitter account)

ephemerid wrote:

refitman wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning All!

Given the current interest in Julie Bailey, I decided it was finally time to publish this piece

Is Julie Bailey, founder of Cure the NHS, guilty of misleading Parliament?

http://flythenest.org/viewtopic.php?p=14482" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good work Paul.

(Also, I now understand some of the messages I've seen on the FTN twitter account)

I wonder if we should also put in links to the blog mentioned here a few days ago about the Charity Commission?

JB has been claiming for some time that she wanted CTNHS to be a "proper" charity.
She has also claimed that CTNHS is a "small charity" because donations are less than £5,000.
The Charity Commission refused her first application to register CTNHS as a charity.
JB herself withdrew the second application.

CTNHS claims that it has never received any donations.

It's all very murky.

Lonewolfie wrote:OK…a (notso) serious question. I'm confused (stop sniggering at the back!).

The opinion polls at the 2010 General Election (and indeed the vote itself) are broken down thus…

Tory 35%
Labour 30%
LD 24%
Others, incl. UKIP, 10%

…IMHO that's 35% + a couple for right wing parties and 54% for left, (approximately, of course)…so - if it's now…

Tory 30%
Labour 33%
LD 9%
UKIP 15%

…5% of Tories to UKIP and 3% LD to Labour must surely indicate that the other LD 10% has gone to UKIP…or 10% ex-LD are so disenchanted as to give up voting altogether and the extra 10% for UKIP are 'fresh' voters from the 35% that don't bother (Russellbrandians, perhaps?) . Either way, my real confusion is that throughout my adult life, 55% to 60% of votes at General Elections (and in the polls) have been for left-leaning or perceived left leaning parties. The polls are now telling us that nearly 50% of voters are right wing - so following 2010, 10% to 15% of the electorate (who were left-leaning at the election) have become right wing…based on what? Dodgy Daves' unqualified success as Chief Lying Obfuscating Benefit-thieving Fishpointer?

I hope that makes sense (the question)...and morning all

cityam wrote:Critics will scoff at the notion that some people make better Prime Ministers than others, but put a group of people in a room and someone will always emerge as top dog. Typically, it’s the one with enough self-belief to set aside concerns that the others won’t like them. This is Miliband’s biggest failing: he desperately wants the approval of the British people.

StephenDolan wrote:'General elections as I repeatedly observe are not decided by national party aggregate vote shares but by the outcomes in 650 separate constituency elections fought under first past the post.

Voters are not being asked to choose a Prime Minister or a party but an individual who will represent the area at Westminster. In some fights the personalities, popularity and overall voter appeal of the contenders will matter more than party branding.

All this is why in such a confusing national picture the single seat polling by Lord Ashcroft and others is becoming the best guide to GE15.

We see from the Ashcroft two stage voting intention questioning how things can shift sharply when those sampled are asked to think specifically about their own constituency. That fact alone should cause us to be more sceptical about the national surveys.

Lord Ashcroft is organising some Scottish seat polls as well as moving up the LAB target list to those that are less marginal. At some point the constituency polling will highlight a group of seats beyond LAB’s reach. We are not there yet.'

Smithson at http://www1.politicalbetting.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That last short sentence appears to be willfully ignored by a lot of political commentators.

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 9h 9 hours ago
@jameschappers @BethRigby Next LD leader could be the 4 x elected mayor of Watford Dorothy Thornhill who's standing at GE15.

John Mann MP ‏@JohnMannMP 1h1 hour ago
Another retired police officer has come forward to say that they were instructed not to investigate Cyril Smith

megamouse wrote:Mouse view: the guardian is a sack of shit who has no right to even print words like "ethics" and "principles".

thesensiblechoice wrote: Jesus Guardian, is Russbringer on holiday or something? You know you'll get spanked for this when he gets back dont you?

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.cityam.com/1415931745/politi ... m-election?

cityam wrote:Critics will scoff at the notion that some people make better Prime Ministers than others, but put a group of people in a room and someone will always emerge as top dog. Typically, it’s the one with enough self-belief to set aside concerns that the others won’t like them. This is Miliband’s biggest failing: he desperately wants the approval of the British people.

Right. Given what he's currently withstanding, I really don't get the impression he's that desperate to be "liked".

The SNP will "never, ever" go into coalition with the Conservatives Nicola Sturgeon has said on the day she becomes Scottish First Minister.

yahyah wrote:The SNP attacked the Tories and used the threat of Tory governments at Westminster to bolster the Yes vote - so why are they so hell bent on helping a Tory government win next year ?
Is smashing Labour more important to them than the effect on the lives of UK people under a Tory government ?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 wrote:Ironically, while painting themselves as social democrats, the social democratic membership of the Yes campaign are the antithesis of socialism. Many of us in favour of No put forward the argument about the need for us plebs to stand in solidarity against a (largely aristocratic) bourgeoisie, but the Yes socialists were so focused on smashing Westminster they failed to recognise they were doing Cameron's job for him. Without said solidarity those same "British/English/foreign" "wealth creators" will inevitably survive secession a lot better than the average Scot.

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 10h 10 hours ago
@dejavousagain Modt of the fieldwork for tonight's YouGov would have been carried out BEFORE EdM speech so you can't draw conclusions.

tinyclanger2 wrote:Ironically, while painting themselves as social democrats, the social democratic membership of the Yes campaign are the antithesis of socialism. Many of us in favour of No put forward the argument about the need for us plebs to stand in solidarity against a (largely aristocratic) bourgeoisie, but the Yes socialists were so focused on smashing Westminster they failed to recognise they were doing Cameron's job for him. Without said solidarity those same "British/English/foreign" "wealth creators" will inevitably survive secession a lot better than the average Scot.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This could be a good start to an interesting evening next Thursday!

JP Janson De Couet retweeted
Labour Left ‏@LabourLeft 9h9 hours ago
The good news is that @andyburnhammp will be on #bbcqt next week. #6monthstowin #WeBackdEd #Ed4PM

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.cityam.com/1415931745/politi ... m-election?

cityam wrote:Critics will scoff at the notion that some people make better Prime Ministers than others, but put a group of people in a room and someone will always emerge as top dog. Typically, it’s the one with enough self-belief to set aside concerns that the others won’t like them. This is Miliband’s biggest failing: he desperately wants the approval of the British people.

Right. Given what he's currently withstanding, I really don't get the impression he's that desperate to be "liked".

The revealing term here for me is "top dog".

The baying establishment hounds will always see the world like this, never understanding Ed Miliband's approach to leadership as empowering others to change.

Lonewolfie wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.cityam.com/1415931745/politi ... m-election?
Right. Given what he's currently withstanding, I really don't get the impression he's that desperate to be "liked".

The revealing term here for me is "top dog".

The baying establishment hounds will always see the world like this, never understanding Ed Miliband's approach to leadership as empowering others to change.

It's almost as if they (the MSM and the political class/establishment) actually believe(TM) the guff spouted on Leadership Courses - how many organisations trumpet their commitment to 'developing the leaders of the future'? 'Here you go...if you can answer all these questions, pass these exams we've set, act in the particular way we tell you, you'll be a LEADER'. I for one call that as absolute b*******. Can I just (while I seem to be moaning a bit) add in the 'principles of business' as well? People throughout the business world now see 'profit' as the success of their 'business'...which is also complete b*******. None of the pretend principles have any relation to the philosophy, history and knowledge of commerce and how it has evolved...indeed it is highly unlikely that any of the current crop of 'leaders' (as selected by Murkydochia) have ever read any Marx...and yet, without at least a working knowledge of Marx, you can't understand the true nature of capitalism. Frankly I'm amazed that they've managed to keep up the pretence for so long.

(With apologies to those who may have attended leadership courses - I'm sure they can be valuable - I just don't see leadership as something you can learn in a classroom)

Mark Ferguson @Markfergusonuk · 1h 1 hour ago
Well @montie might not be defecting to UKIP, but he's scathing about Cameron - "a cuckoo in the nest" http://www.conservativehome.com/thetory ... -ukip.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

...This particularly fractious time to be a Conservative won’t last. I feel – as many Tories do – that there is a cuckoo in the nest at present and he will be gone on either the day after the next election or a year or two afterwards. At some point in the not too distant future the party will have a leader more in tune with the mood of the Conservative voter and with the lower income, aspirational and patriotic voters that Margaret Thatcher and John Major successfully attracted. The unhappy chapter begun in December 2005 will close...

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

Lonewolfie wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote: The revealing term here for me is "top dog".

The baying establishment hounds will always see the world like this, never understanding Ed Miliband's approach to leadership as empowering others to change.

It's almost as if they (the MSM and the political class/establishment) actually believe(TM) the guff spouted on Leadership Courses - how many organisations trumpet their commitment to 'developing the leaders of the future'? 'Here you go...if you can answer all these questions, pass these exams we've set, act in the particular way we tell you, you'll be a LEADER'. I for one call that as absolute b*******. Can I just (while I seem to be moaning a bit) add in the 'principles of business' as well? People throughout the business world now see 'profit' as the success of their 'business'...which is also complete b*******. None of the pretend principles have any relation to the philosophy, history and knowledge of commerce and how it has evolved...indeed it is highly unlikely that any of the current crop of 'leaders' (as selected by Murkydochia) have ever read any Marx...and yet, without at least a working knowledge of Marx, you can't understand the true nature of capitalism. Frankly I'm amazed that they've managed to keep up the pretence for so long.

(With apologies to those who may have attended leadership courses - I'm sure they can be valuable - I just don't see leadership as something you can learn in a classroom)

A good example of this is the reports of Osborne vs. Balls in the House on Monday.

I didn't watch it but it seems Osborne, despite utterly failing to explain his deception, came out "top dog" in the adversarial contest.

Lonewolfie wrote:It is very odd - I'm concerned that the Social-Democrat side of the Yes argument (the ones who berate and deride Labour for 'being the same as the Tories' at the referendum) don't seem to be aware of the SNPs Ultra-NeoConman connections (I know I've been a bit more supportive of Wee Eck, but this isn't good)...and that they vote with the Tories in Holyrood...

“The Housing Act earlier this year was a huge missed opportunity to make a difference in for people feeling the stress of a cost of living crisis. I supported reforming the market with a fair rent cap and more secure tenancies.

“The SNP voted with the Tories against a fairer deal for private tenants in Scotland. They were wrong to do so. We must make renting more affordable. People in Dumfries & Galloway and across Scotland deserve a home, not just a roof over their heads.”

http://www.elainemurray.org.uk/local_ms ... t_campaign

Telegraph's hilariously juvenile and pathetic 14 things more popular than Ed

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... iband.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 wrote:

Mark Ferguson @Markfergusonuk · 1h 1 hour ago
Well @montie might not be defecting to UKIP, but he's scathing about Cameron - "a cuckoo in the nest" http://www.conservativehome.com/thetory ... -ukip.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

and from that linked piece:

...This particularly fractious time to be a Conservative won’t last. I feel – as many Tories do – that there is a cuckoo in the nest at present and he will be gone on either the day after the next election or a year or two afterwards. At some point in the not too distant future the party will have a leader more in tune with the mood of the Conservative voter and with the lower income, aspirational and patriotic voters that Margaret Thatcher and John Major successfully attracted. The unhappy chapter begun in December 2005 will close...

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Don't know if we've already done this and it's listed as "sport" rather than "politics" most places, but I'm full of admiration for Jessica Ennis on doing what she feels is right here

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 59764.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

olympic-champion-jessica-ennishill-threatens-to-remove-her-name-from-sheffield-united-stand-if-ched-evans-is-resigned

yahyah wrote:The SNP attacked the Tories and used the threat of Tory governments at Westminster to bolster the Yes vote - so why are they so hell bent on helping a Tory government win next year ?
Is smashing Labour more important to them than the effect on the lives of UK people under a Tory government ?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... l-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Don't know if we've already done this and it's listed as "sport" rather than "politics" most places, but I'm full of admiration for Jessica Ennis on doing what she feels is right here

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 59764.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

olympic-champion-jessica-ennishill-threatens-to-remove-her-name-from-sheffield-united-stand-if-ched-evans-is-resigned

pk1 wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Don't know if we've already done this and it's listed as "sport" rather than "politics" most places, but I'm full of admiration for Jessica Ennis on doing what she feels is right here

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 59764.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

olympic-champion-jessica-ennishill-threatens-to-remove-her-name-from-sheffield-united-stand-if-ched-evans-is-resigned

I really had hoped the Evans business wasn't going to be mentioned here but never mind.

I feel very conflicted about the whole business.

Yes he has been convicted of a despicable crime but I can't help feeling that there's a certain degree of band-wagonning going on.

On sentencing, judges don't demand the criminal apologises for his/her crimes nor make public statements of remorse so to expect such from Evans, when he is appealing his conviction, is ridiculous. An apology at this time would render his appeal nothing more than a joke & I'm glad his legal team have clearly advised him not to bend to public pressure on this.

Being sentenced to prison is not always an indication of guilt. There have been many good men & women sentenced to jail for crimes they did not commit.

On ChedEvans.com is a video from the hotel. Have a look at it & see if the woman fits the description of one so intoxicated as to not know what she was doing.

Until his appeal is heard I don't think he should be playing football but training is an entirely different thing. The public don't get to attend training sessions so they won't be there to 'idolise' him.

I know I'm probably taking a contrary stance to the majority but it's my opinion & if it doesn't fit with the majority then hey ho, we all have one

pk1 wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Don't know if we've already done this and it's listed as "sport" rather than "politics" most places, but I'm full of admiration for Jessica Ennis on doing what she feels is right here

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 59764.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

olympic-champion-jessica-ennishill-threatens-to-remove-her-name-from-sheffield-united-stand-if-ched-evans-is-resigned

I really had hoped the Evans business wasn't going to be mentioned here but never mind.

I feel very conflicted about the whole business.

Yes he has been convicted of a despicable crime but I can't help feeling that there's a certain degree of band-wagonning going on.

On sentencing, judges don't demand the criminal apologises for his/her crimes nor make public statements of remorse so to expect such from Evans, when he is appealing his conviction, is ridiculous. An apology at this time would render his appeal nothing more than a joke & I'm glad his legal team have clearly advised him not to bend to public pressure on this.

Being sentenced to prison is not always an indication of guilt. There have been many good men & women sentenced to jail for crimes they did not commit.

On ChedEvans.com is a video from the hotel. Have a look at it & see if the woman fits the description of one so intoxicated as to not know what she was doing.

Until his appeal is heard I don't think he should be playing football but training is an entirely different thing. The public don't get to attend training sessions so they won't be there to 'idolise' him.

I know I'm probably taking a contrary stance to the majority but it's my opinion & if it doesn't fit with the majority then hey ho, we all have one

pk1 wrote:Indy didn't like Ed's speech yesterday

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/edi ... gn=3682265" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Sorry it's my fault for raising it PK. Sounds like you know much more about it than me.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

pk1 wrote:Indy didn't like Ed's speech yesterday

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/edi ... gn=3682265" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But some nice support from Mr Mark Steel!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 59762.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

although it’s true the Conservatives are much more united, as their MPs stay completely loyal right up to the moment they leave for a different party altogether.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Post removed in light of PK1's post below.