Saturday 15th & Sunday 16th November 2014

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 5:33 pm

refitman wrote:
ephemerid wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Crystal Palace Sports Centre "could" be demolished to make way for a free school and a proposed new college?

Bung de bung de bung de bung. Sorry, being unduly cynical in my middle age!

I trained there every weekend when I was 15/16 (I was a swimmer)

Used to chat to the likes of Geoff Capes. Nice bloke. David Bedford was a miserable git.

Where did you hear about this, letsskip? The website doesn't say anything and the buildings are listed - plus there's been a lot of money spent on it in the past few years upgrading the facilities.

Got a link?
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/n ... lace-track" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you!

Guess who is the executive chairman of the group involved? Why, Sebastian Bloody Lord Muckybrass Coe.

Clearly not happy with the millions he made out of the Olympics, he wants more.

Surprise surprise. Not.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 5:35 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:quote="ohsocynical"]
ephemerid wrote:
yahyah wrote:

I see what you mean about Matt Barber Lady C [haven't seen him before].

A definite contender for Ed M in a film, but of course the Indie/Com Res preferred to get the Rowan Atkinson result.

Have that boy washed and brought to my tent!
I've always wanted a toy boy. He'll do nicely.

Whilst friends are distracted by an imposter, AAW nips in and runs off with the real deal....

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[[/quote]

Crikey.

He looks fantastic in that photo.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 5:37 pm

The other odd bit from Gibb's speech was when he talked up free schools.

This was why this government launched the free schools programme in 2010. We wanted to provide outlets for idealism - opportunities for dedicated groups of individuals who believed they could improve school provision.

Such groups of individuals have exceeded our expectations. The best academy chains, such as Ark Schools and the Harris Federation, have expanded and replicated their proven success. Ark Schools have opened 3 free schools, with 8 more in development. Likewise, the Harris Federation has opened 8 free schools, with 5 more in development.

Right...so talking up free schools by using the two best-known academy chains as examples?

I do wish someone would ask them the question of "What's the difference between free schools and ordinary academies when you use academy chains as examples of great free schools?"

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 5:42 pm

Just had an email from David Hencke.

I sent him the link about Cure's charitable status and he says thanks, he will 'try and have a look at this' by which I hope/think he means delve further into it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 6:39 pm

‘People are dying!’ Oldham MP blasts Iain Duncan Smith over benefit claim sanctions

http://ilegal.org.uk/thread/8844/blasts ... llTo=22226

From Nov 7th, but worth having the link on here.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 6:54 pm

0-0 against Belguim! Take that. Handy point.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 6:55 pm

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Here's the River Parrett at Burrowbridge, Somerset Levels earlier this week. I wanted to learn how to post an image, and thought this one as good as any to practice with.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 7:30 pm

Strength and Honor ‏@Avitusparta 2m2 minutes ago
IDS has managed to get just “Just 1,290 off the sick & into work”,2.25 million sanctioned>913,138 received 3 days’ emergency food Trussell

Horrific

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 7:34 pm

Still practising. Here's a tweet from my local prospective parliamentary candidate for the Labour Party :

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StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 7:58 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:If we haven't had this.

Noel Edmonds puts the boot into the British Establishment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... monds.html

No I didn't see that one coming either

Blimey, Noel's gone up in my estimations.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:00 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:If we haven't had this.

Noel Edmonds puts the boot into the British Establishment.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... monds.html

No I didn't see that one coming either
Blimey, Noel's gone up in my estimations.

Don't get to enthusiastic - its only coz he wants to buy the BBC when the tory's sell it

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:05 pm

Wow this looks good...

New ‘Solar Cloth’ Allows Solar Cells To Be Stretched Across Parking Lots, Stadiums
"According to Solar Cloth Company, there are about 320 square miles of roof space and 135 square miles of parking space in the U.K. that could be covered by solar cloth, and if all of these spaces were covered, the solar power produced would be enough to power the U.K.’s grid three times. "

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/1 ... king-lots/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:10 pm

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1886 ... wer-source" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

bit old but together with this - solar looking up?

55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:13 pm

Emma Barnett (typical northerner???), currently trawling for anti-Ed shite on R5 hitlist. The question asked was, "does Ed Milibands appearance put you off voting for him? Text us now". Bizarrely, Matthew Parris told her the media were bullying him, appearance was unimportant and Farage looks like a frog.

Matthew Parris now less right wing/opinionated/narrow minded than the BBC.

Satire is dead.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:22 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1886 ... wer-source

bit old but together with this - solar looking up?

Hopefully, was just reading this from the solar cloth link
Solar is also starting to show up in new places, moving away from the traditional rooftop model. This week, the Netherlands unveiled the world’s first solar bike lane, a project that’s only predicted to create enough energy to power two or three homes but which, if this first test is successful, could be scaled up in the future. One couple also wants to make solar roads a reality in the U.S., replacing asphalt with hexagonal solar panels covered by protective glass. ..

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:33 pm

55DegreesNorth wrote:Emma Barnett (typical northerner???), currently trawling for anti-Ed shite on R5 hitlist. The question asked was, "does Ed Milibands appearance put you off voting for him? Text us now". Bizarrely, Matthew Parris told her the media were bullying him, appearance was unimportant and Farage looks like a frog.

Matthew Parris now less right wing/opinionated/narrow minded than the BBC.

Satire is dead.

The same Emma Barnett who works for the Torygraph, presumably?

That's the "institutionally biased to the liberal-left" Beeb again, everybody!

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:37 pm

New Era tenants fear eviction by Christmas after rent promise rescinded
US-based Westbrook Partners reneges on deal not to raise rents again until 2016, after Tory MP’s firm quits consortium
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... -christmas

Bastards.

Attention has now shifted to Westbrook, a multinational company whose London portfolio of properties also includes Dolphin Square, a block of 1930s apartments in central London long popular with MPs.

In April, Westbrook was labelled a “predatory landlord” by tenants in Three Borough Pool, a group of 44 buildings in the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Manhattan.

After protests outside New York city hall, the US attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, forced Westbrook and the three other owners of Three Borough Pool to make repairs to the 1,592 properties, resolve thousands of building violations and provide tenants with more than $1m in rebates for illegal fees and overcharges.

Wasn't it Ed Miliband who identified the problem with 'predatory' businesses a while back ... and got derided for it?

And this is why we really do need rent controls and regulation back.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:39 pm

55DegreesNorth wrote:Emma Barnett (typical northerner???), currently trawling for anti-Ed shite on R5 hitlist. The question asked was, "does Ed Milibands appearance put you off voting for him? Text us now". Bizarrely, Matthew Parris told her the media were bullying him, appearance was unimportant and Farage looks like a frog.

Matthew Parris now less right wing/opinionated/narrow minded than the BBC.

Satire is dead.

Speaking from Manchester: typical northerner??? Is she ****

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:49 pm

mobman lellel
16 November 2014 5:54pm

My ten year old granddaughter is about to make her fifth move.

From BTL on the New Era tenants eviction story in the G.

Possibly one of the saddest and most telling comments I've seen for some time.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 8:52 pm

Empty Dave warns another second global crash could happen.

Think you will find more respected sources have been saying the same for a number of months.

Let the good times roll!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:01 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Empty Dave warns another second global crash could happen.

Think you will find more respected sources have been saying the same for a number of months.

Let the good times roll!

Presumably, it will all be the Government's fault.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:14 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Empty Dave warns another second global crash could happen.

Think you will find more respected sources have been saying the same for a number of months.

Let the good times roll!
Presumably, it will all be the Government's fault.

Surely it will all be Ed's fault?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:17 pm

Bradendavy ‏@BradenDavy · 2m2 minutes ago
Survation subsample of Scottish voting intention for 2015.

#SNP 37%
#Labour 29%
#UKIP 16%
#Libdem 8%
#Tory 7%
#green 3%

#GE2015

UKIP 16% in Scotland???

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:20 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1886 ... wer-source

bit old but together with this - solar looking up?
Hopefully, was just reading this from the solar cloth link
Solar is also starting to show up in new places, moving away from the traditional rooftop model. This week, the Netherlands unveiled the world’s first solar bike lane, a project that’s only predicted to create enough energy to power two or three homes but which, if this first test is successful, could be scaled up in the future. One couple also wants to make solar roads a reality in the U.S., replacing asphalt with hexagonal solar panels covered by protective glass. ..

As previously noted on FTN Solar Power is certainly taking off in Australia.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... nt-compete

The problem is the UK doesn't get much sun (in Manchester you would presumably need to coat "blimps" in solar cloth and tether them so they rise above the cloud tops).

Things to watch for: unit price per generated Watt, efficiency and cheap domestic power storage. It looks like it works in Oz. Maybe in twenty years it will work here.

Being able to wrap your house in solar cells would be way cool.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:23 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Bradendavy ‏@BradenDavy · 2m2 minutes ago
Survation subsample of Scottish voting intention for 2015.

#SNP 37%
#Labour 29%
#UKIP 16%
#Libdem 8%
#Tory 7%
#green 3%

#GE2015

UKIP 16% in Scotland???

And there was a Cybernat telling me they were going to get 45+ seats.

Salmond to his credit has set a target of beating Labour. Think that's a good target.

And quite bad enough for Labour.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:23 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Bradendavy ‏@BradenDavy · 2m2 minutes ago
Survation subsample of Scottish voting intention for 2015.

#SNP 37%
#Labour 29%
#UKIP 16%
#Libdem 8%
#Tory 7%
#green 3%

#GE2015

UKIP 16% in Scotland???

When they say sub sample what do they mean? If it is a chunk of a national poll forget it. That approach is utter garbage as the sample size is always way too small and the profile usually hopelessly out.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:24 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Bradendavy ‏@BradenDavy · 2m2 minutes ago
Survation subsample of Scottish voting intention for 2015.

#SNP 37%
#Labour 29%
#UKIP 16%
#Libdem 8%
#Tory 7%
#green 3%

#GE2015

UKIP 16% in Scotland???

8% between Labour & the SNP ,,,,, but, but, but I thought Labour were toast in Scotland and the entire population North of the Border had asked Alex Salmond to adopt them?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:31 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
New Era tenants fear eviction by Christmas after rent promise rescinded
US-based Westbrook Partners reneges on deal not to raise rents again until 2016, after Tory MP’s firm quits consortium
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... -christmas
Bastards.

Attention has now shifted to Westbrook, a multinational company whose London portfolio of properties also includes Dolphin Square, a block of 1930s apartments in central London long popular with MPs.

In April, Westbrook was labelled a “predatory landlord” by tenants in Three Borough Pool, a group of 44 buildings in the Bronx, Brooklyn, and Manhattan.

After protests outside New York city hall, the US attorney general, Eric Schneiderman, forced Westbrook and the three other owners of Three Borough Pool to make repairs to the 1,592 properties, resolve thousands of building violations and provide tenants with more than $1m in rebates for illegal fees and overcharges.
Wasn't it Ed Miliband who identified the problem with 'predatory' businesses a while back ... and got derided for it?

And this is why we really do need rent controls and regulation back.

As soon as interest rates dropped to nothing BTL took on a life of its own. I'm pretty sure if interest rates went up, a lot of BTL landlords would sell up. Many of them only went into renting houses because it gives a better return than most other investments.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:34 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Bradendavy ‏@BradenDavy · 2m2 minutes ago
Survation subsample of Scottish voting intention for 2015.

#SNP 37%
#Labour 29%
#UKIP 16%
#Libdem 8%
#Tory 7%
#green 3%

#GE2015

UKIP 16% in Scotland???
8% between Labour & the SNP ,,,,, but, but, but I thought Labour were toast in Scotland and the entire population North of the Border had asked Alex Salmond to adopt them?

I reckon this is the cooling off period and a lot of Scots are thinking about what'll happen if the Tories get in down here.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:37 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Empty Dave warns another second global crash could happen.

Think you will find more respected sources have been saying the same for a number of months.

Let the good times roll!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:41 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
mobman lellel
16 November 2014 5:54pm

My ten year old granddaughter is about to make her fifth move.
From BTL on the New Era tenants eviction story in the G.

Possibly one of the saddest and most telling comments I've seen for some time.

It makes me so angry. Even if Ed gets in, those children will be suffering from the effects of being moved from pillar to post for years. In the future we are going to have some very angry, disaffected teenagers and grown ups.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:42 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Empty Dave warns another second global crash could happen.

Think you will find more respected sources have been saying the same for a number of months.

Let the good times roll!

Building on the masterstroke of talking the economy into stagnation before.

Lucky no-one in the world listens to him. Could bring about a world recession with this sort of talk.

He's flying at the moment. Luxembourg's tax system, world economy, climate change.

Reckon anyone told him to act Prime Ministerial?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:54 pm

'Bad back' stopped golfing MP Glyn Davies canvassing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30074116

A Welsh Tory MP has dismissed criticism he ignored calls to campaign in a Kent by-election, but visited the area to play golf, as "a silly story".

The Sunday Times has said Montgomeryshire's Glyn Davies, 70, was just seven miles (11 km) from Rochester when he played on a nearby course.

But he told BBC Wales he cannot canvass because he has a bad back and cannot walk far.

Mr Davies said he could play golf because he used a buggy.

Conservative Chief Whip Michael Gove is understood to have had ordered MPs to visit the area three times before Thursday's by-election against Mark Reckless, the Tory MP who defected to UKIP.

But Mr Davies admitted he had not visited the area once, but did go to the nearby Tudor Park Marriott Hotel and Country Club with his wife for bed and breakfast and a round of golf.

He must be one of the 100 MPs who have apparently refused to go to Rochester and canvas - as ordered by Dave. But, of course, that wider context is missing from this story and the BBC Wales news item I watched earlier.

Editing to add: Oh, and another triumph of Gove's whipping .... by whatever, he's proving his real worth in this job, isn't he.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:55 pm

Labour experiencing ‘squeaky bum time’, says Sadiq Khan
Opposition MPs told to stop complaining and help win election, as poll shows Ed Miliband taking four-point lead over Tories

I love Sadiq Khan he

“We lost really badly and people forget that. But we’re competitive again, and we’ve great set of candidates and policies. Politics is a team sport. It’s really easy to blame the leader. We’ve all got a role to play … Rather than people complaining on the sidelines, they should get on the pitch and help us win the election.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 9:57 pm

I've just been reading the Noel Edmonds article - and yes I still think he's a dick, although he's quite right about Savile, the royals and Thatcher - when I noticed the side panel for 'related articles':

Jimmy Savile: New claims of abuse at 12 NHS hospitals
06 Nov 2014

Jimmy Savile: 'macabre reports' of interfering with dead bodies
26 Jun 2014

Jimmy Savile’s youngest victim was aged two
02 Jun 2014

Pick the perfect boarding school for your child
Sponsored by FedEx

I'm afraid that that juxtaposition made me giggle like a loon.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:00 pm

ErnstRemarx wrote:I've just been reading the Noel Edmonds article - and yes I still think he's a dick, although he's quite right about Savile, the royals and Thatcher - when I noticed the side panel for 'related articles':

Jimmy Savile: New claims of abuse at 12 NHS hospitals
06 Nov 2014

Jimmy Savile: 'macabre reports' of interfering with dead bodies
26 Jun 2014

Jimmy Savile’s youngest victim was aged two
02 Jun 2014

Pick the perfect boarding school for your child
Sponsored by FedEx

I'm afraid that that juxtaposition made me giggle like a loon.

Oh dear, me too Ernst.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:06 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
'Bad back' stopped golfing MP Glyn Davies canvassing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30074116

A Welsh Tory MP has dismissed criticism he ignored calls to campaign in a Kent by-election, but visited the area to play golf, as "a silly story".

The Sunday Times has said Montgomeryshire's Glyn Davies, 70, was just seven miles (11 km) from Rochester when he played on a nearby course.

But he told BBC Wales he cannot canvass because he has a bad back and cannot walk far.

Mr Davies said he could play golf because he used a buggy.

Conservative Chief Whip Michael Gove is understood to have had ordered MPs to visit the area three times before Thursday's by-election against Mark Reckless, the Tory MP who defected to UKIP.

But Mr Davies admitted he had not visited the area once, but did go to the nearby Tudor Park Marriott Hotel and Country Club with his wife for bed and breakfast and a round of golf.
He must be one of the 100 MPs who have apparently refused to go to Rochester and canvas - as ordered by Dave. But, of course, that wider context is missing from this story and the BBC Wales news item I watched earlier.

Editing to add: Oh, and another triumph of Gove's whipping .... by whatever, he's proving his real worth in this job, isn't he.

Gove was, and is, fucking useless. As Education Secretary he was fucking useless, and as Chief Whip I don't imagine he's disappointed anyone by being so crap at it that no-one's scared of him and his office. It can't help trying to maintain discipline in a party that loathes its leader as much as the Tories clearly do, but you'd have thought that threatening to withdraw the whip from the most egregious examples might sober some of the other UKIP bound sheep. Apparently not, or else I'm sure we'd have heard about it happening. Gove and Cameron are being trampled on.

This is, of course, bad news for Ed Miliband, as I'm sure you'd agree. The recent disaster of three unnamed MPs calling for him to step down simply show how poor his ability to deal with such widespread parliamentary dissent is, whereas Cameron is still bouyant and in tip top form, exuding confidence, despite 100 of his own MPs including 11 cabinet minsters telling him to fuck off when ordered to go to R&S.

There you go Mr. Wintour - I've written your central thesis for you for tomorrow's Graun knife job on Miliband. If I can figure out a way to include bigging up brave Nicky Clegg and the Fibs, I'll let you know.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:12 pm

Cameron urging Labour, Liberal Democrats and Greens to vote Conservative to defeat the Purple Shirts was desperation so cynical it betrayed Tory blind panic.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/da ... ve-4640503" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:17 pm

Wishful thinking.... but but but what if....you know... if just maybe if Naushabah Khan...... wins?
There'll be

on the streets that night!!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:18 pm

Bob Hudson ‏@Bob__Hudson · 4m4 minutes ago
"@rafaelbehr on @BBCWestminHour says Tories planning to explain likely defeat in Rochester by blaming Labour. Well there's a surprise!

:lol!:

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:29 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Bob Hudson ‏@Bob__Hudson · 4m4 minutes ago
"@rafaelbehr on @BBCWestminHour says Tories planning to explain likely defeat in Rochester by blaming Labour. Well there's a surprise!

Yes - I've been listening to it. He said Cameron and co will want to say that many Labour voters switched to UKIP and that was what did it .... along with the usual 'it's a by election, they're very unpredictable and often used as a protest, people vote differently at general elections'.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:31 pm

William Bain retweeted
David Clegg ‏@davieclegg 6m6 minutes ago
Our latest @survation poll show 28% of Scots never want another #indyref . 14% want another one immediately.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:45 pm

George Eaton @georgeeaton · 1h 1 hour ago
It makes political sense for Cameron to warn of a second crash. They need macroeconomy to be the big issue: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... -help-them" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Another point Rafael Behr made on the Westminster Hour ... he said Osborne and others at the Treasury want Cameron to shut up about immigration and focus on the economy which they see as the central issue and centre ground ... that the more Cameron talks about immigration the more he validates UKIP and the more people support them.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:46 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Bob Hudson ‏@Bob__Hudson · 4m4 minutes ago
"@rafaelbehr on @BBCWestminHour says Tories planning to explain likely defeat in Rochester by blaming Labour. Well there's a surprise!

Well of course it'll be Miliband's fault rather than Cameron's. It stands to reason doesn't it? If Miliband was any good, then he'd have lost R&S to Labour instead of to a party that has had - and continues to have - absolutely no serious scrtuiny in the meeja. Why would they be interested in doing that? It would simply bring UKIP back down to earth as their fruitcake policies were exposed and how I ask you would restoration of the Labour vs Tory 12015 election sell them papers or get them viewers?

Nah, far better to interfere in the political process by stating that Labour are the one's in meltdown, ignoring Cameron's problems with the Tories - and trust me, they're going to be very, very major indeed as of Friday morning, regardless of the likely and anticipated rescue job by the likes of Wintour and Watt - and failing to pull up UKIP in any way, preferring to buy into the "we're the happy People's Army" bullshit.

I'm pissed off to the back teeth with the sort of treatment that the meeja now dish out to the various parties and I'm very tempted to get back onto Twitter and other outlets to pull the fuckers up about it.

Beside that, I'd liek to echo what Ephe said earlier about the experts and analysts on this forum. When I see a meeja story, I come here first to establish that it's not bullshit. That's how useful this place is. I can't trust most of the meeja but this place is different, and I think it's about time we started advertising the place so any ideas are gratefully received. If any of you have an intro into people with influence (for example, I'll probably be meeting MP Liz McInnes shortly) then let them know of FTN and the sterling work it does.

Let's face it, if a piece of shit like Guido "Paul stains the world of politics" Fawkes right wing troll fest can become a 'goto' political website, then anything is, literally, possible...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:46 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Empty Dave warns another second global crash could happen.

Think you will find more respected sources have been saying the same for a number of months.

Let the good times roll!

Cue "Well, it's like this...we need to make more cuts" in the Autumn Statement.

And "The economy is too fragile to let Labour ruin it again" next year.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:47 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
William Bain retweeted
David Clegg ‏@davieclegg 6m6 minutes ago
Our latest @survation poll show 28% of Scots never want another #indyref . 14% want another one immediately.

Some interesting results in there:

An exclusive poll by Survation suggests as many as a quarter of a million people believe their relationship with a friend or family member has been permanently damaged as a result of the run-up to September 18.

and

The poll also shows if there was a referendum today, Scots would vote against it for a second time.

It found 44 would vote Yes and 49 per cent, No. If you strip out the seven per cent not sure, that means 53 per cent No and 47 per cent Yes.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... er-4640537" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:52 pm

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn · 12h 12 hours ago
“The Germans have privately said to me they need to sort this problem out,” IDS tells @JPonpolitics on freedom of movement.

They might just mean blocking you and Cameron and any other Tory foot in mouth 'negotiators' and spokespeople - Ian.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:54 pm

My favourite troll's only contribution to the Cameron article?

bill9651
16 November 2014 9:39pm

We have a serious article on another world economic crisis and what do we get? The usual brainless comments about David Cameron!

I don't know why some people bother.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 10:55 pm

Our Glorious Ronsealed Fishpointer General has written an article in the Guardian.

Is there no beginning to his talents?

It's utter bilge - and "I forged agreements", "I brought leaders together", I, I, I, I, ......zzzzzzzzz.......

Showmaster posted "He's pissed again" which will, no doubt, get modded.

Orwell was right. Permanent fear, permanent crisis........we are at war with..... Cameron's at war with us.

How I despise the ridiculous preening popinjay.

Goodnight, all. See you tomorrow.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 16 Nov, 2014 11:06 pm

ephemerid wrote:Our Glorious Ronsealed Fishpointer General has written an article in the Guardian.

Is there no beginning to his talents?

It's utter bilge - and "I forged agreements", "I brought leaders together", I, I, I, I, ......zzzzzzzzz.......

Showmaster posted "He's pissed again" which will, no doubt, get modded.

Orwell was right. Permanent fear, permanent crisis........we are at war with..... Cameron's at war with us.

How I despise the ridiculous preening popinjay.

Goodnight, all. See you tomorrow.

He even came out with this one again:

We are making the biggest investment in roads since the 1970s and the biggest in rail since Victorian times,