Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th September 2021

Post by **refitman** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 8:51 am

Morning all.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 9:43 am

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 12:05 pm

Looking like Twitter has been "liberated", at least for the time being.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 2:30 pm

FFS. Im beginning to suspect Solksjaer is getting management tips from Boris Johnson because United are an embarrassing, shambolic mess.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 4:40 pm

Are you sure you don't mean "tips from Keir Starmer"?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 6:31 pm

Ha ha, Channel 5 just crashed. I was watching Two Mules for Sister Sara when it froze and now they've got a 'technical difficulties' notice up. Not seen that in a while.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 7:14 pm

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 7:20 pm

Whatever Channel 5 had seems to have been contagious because now CH4 has died.

I think the apocalypse may be upon us.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 7:54 pm

I understand it isn't the most important thing in the world but to have 2 national broadcasters go down almost simultaneously for over an hour is damn peculiar.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 8:00 pm

It is without doubt disconcerting

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 8:18 pm

Well done Brentford.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 9:11 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/ ... al-problem

The problem is reported to be caused by the evacuation of the west London transmission centre of Red Bee Media, the company that plays out the channels.

Curiouser and curiouser.

(Edited because I spelled curiouser wrong twice in a row).

Post by **refitman** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 9:44 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote: ↑Sat 25 Sep, 2021 9:11 pm https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/ ... al-problem

The problem is reported to be caused by the evacuation of the west London transmission centre of Red Bee Media, the company that plays out the channels.
Curiouser and curiouser.

(Edited because I spelled curiouser wrong twice in a row).

5 is back, Ch4 is still down and now BT Sport Xtra1 has joined it.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 9:46 pm

I see reports of fire alarm and technical problem depending on the source.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 9:47 pm

In other news, despite my need to lose an increasing proportion of my body weight (corona kilos plus all the additional ones I'd already accumulated) i had chips for me tea.

AND:

I don't care.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 9:50 pm

I also notice that christmas lunches out are mostly either meat or vegan. My worst-case scenario emerging even sooner than I'd anticipated.

******* ******

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 10:08 pm

A phew. I was afraid we were being invaded by giant man eating crabs again.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 10:43 pm

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 10:57 pm

Angela Rayner apparently said something at a Labour reception (when there is a good chance alcoholic beverages had been consumed)

Right wing snowflakes are duly snowflaking.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sat 25 Sep, 2021 11:21 pm

Oh dear Anthony Joshua. One minute he's dancing around with fireworks going off then he foolishly gets in the ring with someone who can actually box and promptly gets walloped round the chops a great many times. He's going to need a whole tube of Germolene just for his face.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:26 am

So Daubney - born 1970 - remembers the power cuts that didn't happen in the Winter of Discontent?

Daft pillock.

He's been taking lessons on "poltical things I can remember when I was a child" from Hannan...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 7:53 am

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 26537.html
Unfortunately this has the look of something that will simply be used as more ammunition against the NHS. It needs resources not targets.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 10:01 am

Like most things Labour are talking about, it seems aimed at a country/time other than the one we're living in. The NHS as it was, not as it is.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 11:33 am

I don't see what all the fuss is about, 'scum' doesn't even begin to describe a government deliberately making the poorest poorer while the cost of living increases as a direct consequence of the actions of that government. If they don't like it then perhaps they should begin behaving like decent, civilised human beings.

Also it's a bit difficult to win a 'culture war' if you're going to have a tantrum and cry every time you're called a nasty name or make a complete tit of yourself joining an amateur TV channel ironically set up to fight said 'war'.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 11:47 am

Yes, but the whole point about a "culture war" is that it should be totally one sided.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:02 pm

I just happened to catch Nick Robinson interviewing Rachel Reeves on BBC News and she was actually not bad, came across quite well. The format seemed to suit her as it was a lengthy chat rather than an interrogation and some of the things she talked about, such as the long period of low interest rates in Japan and accompanying economic stagnation that fore-shadowed our own, were much more interesting than usual political discussions which these days always seem to revolve around what the government want to talk about. Alongside Ed Miliband, she seems very competent and comfortable in her current role - unlike Keir Starmer, who was pretty uncomfortable and came across poorly on Marr earlier. Apparently, as a woman, it's not right for me to express the basic biological fact that only women have cervixes ffs. I'm sorry, but I grew up in a world where the word "woman" meant female human and women's issues are issues that affect biological females. If trans people have issues that affect trans people then they need to come up with words to describe those issues, not take away the language I've been using all my life to describe my biological rather than gender based issues. Voices supporting trans ideology are loud, I know, and Starmer is doubtless under a lot of pressure, but every time he comes out with this type of denial of biological fact more and more female Labour supporters are being alienated and drifting away. Being called a transphobe and accused of saying things that are "not right" simply for believing someone who was born male can't possibly understand what it means to be born female sounds batshit crazy but it seems to be where we are.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:25 pm

I have for some time been getting the feeling that some people interested in "diversity" of various types are not interested in what I consider diversity at all. Modern identity politics do not always seem to be aiming in a direction of actual inclusivity but rather the opposite, dividing us into smaller and smaller groups of people who are exactly the same and then giving them a different lable. How is this going to help bring society back together?

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:48 pm

The voices supporting trans ideology aren't just loud, I've been on the wrong end of it and received the most abuse I've ever had in my life. I was baffled by what they thought they were achieving sending me dick pics, often hanging out of lingerie panties. It certainly didn't help persuade me they were women. Perhaps I missed some subtle nuance of their argument that was lost amongst the rape threats.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:03 pm

Willow904 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:02 pm I just happened to catch Nick Robinson interviewing Rachel Reeves on BBC News and she was actually not bad, came across quite well. The format seemed to suit her as it was a lengthy chat rather than an interrogation and some of the things she talked about, such as the long period of low interest rates in Japan and accompanying economic stagnation that fore-shadowed our own, were much more interesting than usual political discussions which these days always seem to revolve around what the government want to talk about.

RR is comfortable talking about economics within the Overton window of neoliberalism, that's why she's in the job, won't frighten the horses.
What does she have to say that might help us out of our economic stagnation?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:04 pm

I'm no fan, but think that maybe does her a slight injustice.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:05 pm

Nah, that's fine. Just denigrate a minority group, because of the actions of a few.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:17 pm

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:37 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: ↑Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:04 pm I'm no fan, but think that maybe does her a slight injustice.

The govt's line on the £20 UC is that taxes would have to rise if they didn't make the cut.

Be nice to hear RR, or any shadow minister, rebut that.*

Apologies if she/they have and I've missed it.

* I mean properly, on Keynesian lines, not just 'what about Dido'.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:52 pm

Not this, either.

in the conference hall Aden Harris, a delegate from Filton and Bradley Stoke CLP, has just delivered one of the most stirring speeches of the morning. It included this rebuke to Rachel Reeves, the shadow chancellor, who told the Sunday Times that she does not believe in the magic money tree. He said:

And yes, Rachel Reeves, there is a money tree. It’s called the top 1%. So let’s tax them. It is a forest, it a forest, we will tax them, and we will save this planet. It can be done and we will do it.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 2:02 pm

So, Starmer's ruled out any renationalisation then?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 2:29 pm

refitman wrote: ↑Sun 26 Sep, 2021 2:02 pm So, Starmer's ruled out any renationalisation then?

Just a few days after Ed Miliband appeared to be saying quite the opposite....

Basically Starmer's appearance this morning was a textbook example of trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 2:34 pm

gilsey wrote: ↑Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:03 pm
Willow904 wrote: ↑Sun 26 Sep, 2021 12:02 pm I just happened to catch Nick Robinson interviewing Rachel Reeves on BBC News and she was actually not bad, came across quite well. The format seemed to suit her as it was a lengthy chat rather than an interrogation and some of the things she talked about, such as the long period of low interest rates in Japan and accompanying economic stagnation that fore-shadowed our own, were much more interesting than usual political discussions which these days always seem to revolve around what the government want to talk about.
RR is comfortable talking about economics within the Overton window of neoliberalism, that's why she's in the job, won't frighten the horses.
What does she have to say that might help us out of our economic stagnation?

Recognising we're in economic stagnation and that permanent low interest rates are actually a BAD THING is the first step to do something about it. Robinson's sheer panic when she started talking about ultra low interest rates as an indicator of a failing economy (which they are) and immediate attempt to change the subject shows just how important it is to current government that people who understand economics and are able to communicate our current economic reality don't get any airtime.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 2:37 pm

refitman wrote: ↑Sun 26 Sep, 2021 2:02 pm So, Starmer's ruled out any renationalisation then?

Actually no, he went on about certain "conditions". I have lost the will to live to recall what they actually were.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 3:31 pm

Post by **refitman** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 5:06 pm

Keir, connecting with the party faithful.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 5:30 pm

I mean, its hardly "vile". This sort of constant unremitting rhetorical inflation doesn't do either side in the "forever wars" any good.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 6:06 pm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 26008.html

You'll forgive me for finding the "modern world" perplexing.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 7:12 pm

Looking like the SPD might have it in Germany (though its close)

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 10:50 pm

the voting district that has directly elected Angela Merkel in eight successive votes since 1990 has been won by the centre-left SPD

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Sun 26 Sep, 2021 11:42 pm

refitman wrote: ↑Sun 26 Sep, 2021 1:05 pm Nah, that's fine. Just denigrate a minority group, because of the actions of a few.

I'm assuming this was aimed at me.

I'm sorry if you felt that was what I was doing, but in all honesty I was making light of what was a thoroughly unpleasant experience that ended up with me having to change my email address and phone number after my oldest friend demanded he be addressed as female. I've mentioned it here before. What I didn't mention were the threats to drug and gang rape me while filming it then uploading it to Pornhub. Delightful. I never quite worked out how they thought I wouldn't notice them coming as some of them were quite clearly cabaret performers, probably in Blackpool, I'd have seen the glint of the glitter and sequins from miles away.

And it wasn't just me, they also went for his family. Which ended badly.

You know I'm as socially liberal as it's possible to be. Live and let live and all that. I couldn't give a fuck about anyone's sexual junk as long as they're decent human beings. But these people weren't decent. They weren't open to reason. They were abusive idiots, no better than those who seek to demean them.

As far as the question of trans rights goes I wish them all the best, everyone deserves to feel happy in their own skin, but someone like my ex-friend, who has spent (at that time) 45 years as a man, is not a woman just because they decide they are. Even if he get's his balls cut off while taking mountains of estrogen giving him tiny tits, he's still not a woman.

He's something else.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 27 Sep, 2021 1:08 am

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 Sep, 2021 1:12 am

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 27 Sep, 2021 1:27 am

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 27 Sep, 2021 1:40 am

Night night.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Mon 27 Sep, 2021 2:13 am