Saturday 22st & Sunday 23rd November 2014

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:03 pm

Thank you Nitin Sawhney - speaking on Channel 4 news about his childhood in Rochester and how sad he is at UKIP being elected to represent the area.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:07 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret · 9m9 minutes ago
#CameronMustGo because I hate those fucking blue ties he wears
Nuff said! He has posted others, but that one made me laugh.

He does seem to be on a bit of a roll doesn't he, particularly enjoyed the one where someone asked "why is this twat (Campbell) allowed to blah de blah) and he answered "to annoy real twats like you"

Why is this man isn't banging heads together in the Labour Party is beyond me.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:11 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
DonutHingeParty wrote:The Daily Maul this morning has an article which is basically a sneeringbmap to the shadow cabinets houses. I've heard of one rule for the rich and one for the poor but I didn't think it was supposed to work this way #Leveson.

Incidentally, Alistair Cameron and David Miliband are private individuals so shouldn't they be protected?
Just seen that - since when was Neil Kinnock part of "Ed Miliband's elite"?

Not quite sure what the point is "MPs who primarily work in London...have houses in London"? Shocked...
Dangerously close to an incitement to violence imo, if just one of those houses is targeted for some form of attack in the near future the Mail are in deep shit; Dacre et al may think they are being clever, but those houses contain the MP's families as well.

@LadyC, you're very welcome. And wonderfully coincidental to hear that we were in much the same area at the same time!

On the subject of dray horses, Young's used them for local deliveries from their Ram Brewery in Wandsworth eight up until its closure in 2006 and they still maintain a couple of teams for promo purposes. And quite a number of local breweries all over the country have started using them again for local deliveries, for environmental, promotional and (even) economic reasons. All quite luvverly.

I am a wazzock! Where the heck did Watney's come from? Oh, yes, their old Brewery (Stag, formerly Mortlake) is/was just north of here in Mortlake, next door to where Ind Coope was. And, although it is now owned by a German company (and is producing Budweiser) it is having much of its equipment removed to Wales right now and will be closed, completely, by the end of next year. That is another 140 or more jobs going, locally – and a load more des-res river-side apartments getting built...

It was Young's I meant...
First went there (to see the horses) as a tiddler with the Pony Club, lived and worked around the corner in the late-seventies, have taken my son and his friends there countless times – and gone on my own many times, too, and then campaigned to prevent the closure and redevelopment of the Ram Brewery, its stables and yard, and their mini-farm. It is a bloody sad loss – and the horses are much missed by many in the area.

I'm glad to know that there's an increase in the number of local breweries starting to use horses again. It makes so much more sense, for local deliveries, and makes the local people feel a part of things, too – as well as being luvverly

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:12 pm

@Robert, I am sure you haven't even begun to try to understand the Scottish Nat, I had a read of the "Brown standing down" pieces earlier, nats standing side by side with kippers and Tories.. Beyond reasoning.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:15 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:I'm hoping our processes will still function well enough to carry us through if there is a tory fail come Election Day. A unity front on everything left of centre is starting to become a priority, if that is anything achievable. Right now the kippers are promising anything and everything to groups of uncertain voters, and their word looks about as binding as an IOU, nothing remotely like a manifesto anywhere in sight.
Meanwhile there are plenty of people on the left who won't touch Labour with a barge pole. I know we've been over this time and time again, but what can Labour do to persuade such people that the only hope of change in the future lies with Labour forming the next government. I won't even try to claim that a 2015 Labour government will be everything the left wants or needs. I firmly believe though that a Miliband government is the only last chink of hope for ever overcoming the neoliberal hegemony. We're at a tipping point.

Those who think we need a coup d'état or an environmental catastrophe to shock people into socialism (history suggests the opposite will happen) will never be persuaded, but there must be a large number of people who are at least open to supporting Labour as the first step back in the direction of the postwar consensus.

I've posted this to a few - with a little success (well 1 won over!) and a lot of surprise (along the lines of "wow why aren't they shouting about this?")
What Labour achieved, lest we forget
http://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... we-forget/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I stick it on AS blog now and then, and on twitter - in fact I'll do it now

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:17 pm

nitin sawhney retweeted
John Wakefield @stanflow · 18m 18 minutes ago
@thenitinsawhney Superb interview. Eloquent, articulate, and I agree with everything you said.

nitin sawhney retweeted
Legacy WM @AftabRahman · 20m 20 minutes ago
Just listened to @thenitinsawhney on @Channel4News - very sound arguments about immigration to the UK and the position of @Nigel_Farage

nitin sawhney retweeted
Aneep Hundal @AneepKH · 20m 20 minutes ago
Just watching @thenitinsawhney on channel 4 news. Couldn't agree more with his views. Should be questioning more rather than voting UKIP!

nitin sawhney retweeted
Betsy Blatchley @hackneyrev · 20m 20 minutes ago
Gr8 interview with @thenitinsawhney on @Channel4News asking "why r other political parties competing with UKIP instead of condemning them?"

nitin sawhney retweeted
Matt @CompleteCycle · 19m 19 minutes ago
@thenitinsawhney great stuff man, I agree with every single word. Thanks for voicing great opinions ps. Still working for Emrys

Seems people needed to hear someone say these things ...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:20 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Alastair Campbell ‏@campbellclaret · 9m9 minutes ago
#CameronMustGo because I hate those fucking blue ties he wears
Nuff said! He has posted others, but that one made me laugh.
He does seem to be on a bit of a roll doesn't he, particularly enjoyed the one where someone asked "why is this twat (Campbell) allowed to blah de blah) and he answered "to annoy real twats like you"

Why is this man isn't banging heads together in the Labour Party is beyond me.

He may be as utterly depressed and flummoxed by it as we are ... it seems almost beyond these individuals abilities to resist compounding the problems ... and it's probably not someone who has had mental health problems necessarily wants to get engaged in - highly stressful stuff.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:22 pm

stephen jones ‏@bassmadman 16m16 minutes ago
@ChrissieOAP:#CameronMustGo because if Tories gets back into power in 2015GE this could be what we wll see #UKMedia

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This has already been happening if you check the photo on the link. Our local Trussell food bank at the Kerith Centre announced they were going to do things differently this year.
In previous years they had poor families go to their hall and handed out food and presents. If it had been me I'd have felt humiliated. Thankfully they seem to have realised that it was a tad crass, and are just going to have a party for the kids, hand a few presents out and food parcels will be delivered.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:27 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:I'm hoping our processes will still function well enough to carry us through if there is a tory fail come Election Day. A unity front on everything left of centre is starting to become a priority, if that is anything achievable. Right now the kippers are promising anything and everything to groups of uncertain voters, and their word looks about as binding as an IOU, nothing remotely like a manifesto anywhere in sight.
Meanwhile there are plenty of people on the left who won't touch Labour with a barge pole. I know we've been over this time and time again, but what can Labour do to persuade such people that the only hope of change in the future lies with Labour forming the next government. I won't even try to claim that a 2015 Labour government will be everything the left wants or needs. I firmly believe though that a Miliband government is the only last chink of hope for ever overcoming the neoliberal hegemony. We're at a tipping point.

Those who think we need a coup d'état or an environmental catastrophe to shock people into socialism (history suggests the opposite will happen) will never be persuaded, but there must be a large number of people who are at least open to supporting Labour as the first step back in the direction of the postwar consensus.

Always been people on the left who are like that- it's not necessarily they're more left wing than others who vote Labour. Most leftwing person I've known well was an SWP activist. He was quite clear about people voting Labour where they had to.

I think you need also to distinguish between people who are actively working for an alternative (like the Greens) and people who are just mouthing off about parties all being the same. Though having said that, my SWP friend had put more time into working for an alternative than anyone.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:30 pm

nitin sawhney retweeted
Betsy Blatchley @hackneyrev · 20m 20 minutes ago
Gr8 interview with @thenitinsawhney on @Channel4News asking "why r other political parties competing with UKIP instead of condemning them?"

Because it's impossible within the political mainstream.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:35 pm

Think the question's also worth asking- who exactly is there in the developed world going in the direction that the more radical leftists want?

Francois Hollande talked a certain amount of sense about austerity in the Eurozone, but didn't win any allies and even his mild social democracy barely lasted 2 years.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:38 pm

Work programme breakdown in Duncan Smith’s backyard
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/
A breakdown of the DWP’s Work Programme figures reveal that just 10 people claiming sickness benefits have found a job in Iain Duncan Smith’s constituency of Chingford and Woodford Green, iLegal has revealed....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:38 pm

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 21h21 hours ago
There's another YouGov poll tonight - Sun on Sunday
LAB 34, CON 33, UKIP 15, LD 8.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:43 pm

Evening all.

After a bugger of a weekend I've caught up with FTN posts (thanks all) and treating myself to a beer. Whilst supping it I'm wondering how many Labour Home Secretaries would collectively been forced to resign if they'd overseen as much crap as May.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:44 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Think the question's also worth asking- who exactly is there in the developed world going in the direction that the more radical leftists want?

Francois Hollande talked a certain amount of sense about austerity in the Eurozone, but didn't win any allies and even his mild social democracy barely lasted 2 years.

Bill De Blasio is the only name that springs to mind.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:50 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:I'm hoping our processes will still function well enough to carry us through if there is a tory fail come Election Day. A unity front on everything left of centre is starting to become a priority, if that is anything achievable. Right now the kippers are promising anything and everything to groups of uncertain voters, and their word looks about as binding as an IOU, nothing remotely like a manifesto anywhere in sight.
Meanwhile there are plenty of people on the left who won't touch Labour with a barge pole. I know we've been over this time and time again, but what can Labour do to persuade such people that the only hope of change in the future lies with Labour forming the next government. I won't even try to claim that a 2015 Labour government will be everything the left wants or needs. I firmly believe though that a Miliband government is the only last chink of hope for ever overcoming the neoliberal hegemony. We're at a tipping point.

Those who think we need a coup d'état or an environmental catastrophe to shock people into socialism (history suggests the opposite will happen) will never be persuaded, but there must be a large number of people who are at least open to supporting Labour as the first step back in the direction of the postwar consensus.
Always been people on the left who are like that- it's not necessarily they're more left wing than others who vote Labour. Most leftwing person I've known well was an SWP activist. He was quite clear about people voting Labour where they had to.

I think you need also to distinguish between people who are actively working for an alternative (like the Greens) and people who are just mouthing off about parties all being the same. Though having said that, my SWP friend had put more time into working for an alternative than anyone.

We could have a Labour Party that sat to the left of the SWP and there would always be some saying they were being timid pussies. Always been the Left's problem and probably always will be.

Re. the "why isn't Alastair Campbell kicking Tory arse" question; he probably is supplying guidance, but if some of you think Balls & Reeves are toxic just bear in mind how much more so Campbell is to some!! Frankly I'd love nothing more than to see him tearing Andy Marr or Andrew Neil a new one, but the danger is he becomes the story and drowns out the message being relayed.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:52 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Evening all.

After a bugger of a weekend I've caught up with FTN posts (thanks all) and treating myself to a beer. Whilst supping it I'm wondering how many Labour Home Secretaries would collectively been forced to resign if they'd overseen as much crap as May.

Incredible isn't it? And I heard today on Desert Island Discs (bloody awful choice of discs btw) that she's been the longest 'serving' Home Secretary ever (I think)....

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:57 pm

Never heard the Lib Dems compared to Japanese knotweed before, apt description in my opinion.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ction-ukip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For a Tory, Ashcroft does show a bit of perceptiveness, not something you can accuse them too readily of.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 8:57 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Think the question's also worth asking- who exactly is there in the developed world going in the direction that the more radical leftists want?

Francois Hollande talked a certain amount of sense about austerity in the Eurozone, but didn't win any allies and even his mild social democracy barely lasted 2 years.
Bill De Blasio is the only name that springs to mind.

But he's a city mayor. He's not running macroeconomic policy.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:15 pm

*Falls over

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges · 24m24 minutes ago  London, England
@KarlTurnerMP @LabourEoin Well I'm voting Labour, so you're asking the wrong person.

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TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:24 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Never heard the Lib Dems compared to Japanese knotweed before, apt description in my opinion.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ction-ukip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For a Tory, Ashcroft does show a bit of perceptiveness, not something you can accuse them too readily of.

I don't see the similarity between Cleggs Lib Dems and Japanese Knotweed at all.

Japanese Knotweed is really hard to get rid of, Lib Dems go down like ninepins every May election.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:26 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:*Falls over

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges · 24m24 minutes ago  London, England
@KarlTurnerMP @LabourEoin Well I'm voting Labour, so you're asking the wrong person.

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There must be a word for that ... what DFHodges is doing, does all the time, rubbish something relentlessly whilst declaring you support it ... but I'm not sure what it is yet.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:28 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Never heard the Lib Dems compared to Japanese knotweed before, apt description in my opinion.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ction-ukip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For a Tory, Ashcroft does show a bit of perceptiveness, not something you can accuse them too readily of.
I don't see the similarity between Cleggs Lib Dems and Japanese Knotweed at all.

Japanese Knotweed is really hard to get rid of, Lib Dems go down like ninepins every May election.

It's a non native highly invasive species .... is that what he was trying to get at?

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:30 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:*Falls over

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges · 24m24 minutes ago  London, England
@KarlTurnerMP @LabourEoin Well I'm voting Labour, so you're asking the wrong person.

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There must be a word for that ... what DFHodges is doing, does all the time, rubbish something relentlessly whilst declaring you support it ... but I'm not sure what it is yet.

Being a hypocritical twat?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:34 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:*Falls over

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges · 24m24 minutes ago  London, England
@KarlTurnerMP @LabourEoin Well I'm voting Labour, so you're asking the wrong person.

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There must be a word for that ... what DFHodges is doing, does all the time, rubbish something relentlessly whilst declaring you support it ... but I'm not sure what it is yet.

Political Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome PMBPS, would seem the closest fit.

Explains why Dan exaggerates symptoms and illnesses in the Labour Party, and why he sometimes resorts to causing those symptoms.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:37 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:*Falls over

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges · 24m24 minutes ago  London, England
@KarlTurnerMP @LabourEoin Well I'm voting Labour, so you're asking the wrong person.

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There must be a word for that ... what DFHodges is doing, does all the time, rubbish something relentlessly whilst declaring you support it ... but I'm not sure what it is yet.
Political Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome PMBPS, would seem the closest fit.

Explains why Dan exaggerates symptoms and illnesses in the Labour Party, and why he sometimes resorts to causing those symptoms.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:39 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:*Falls over

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges · 24m24 minutes ago  London, England
@KarlTurnerMP @LabourEoin Well I'm voting Labour, so you're asking the wrong person.

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There must be a word for that ... what DFHodges is doing, does all the time, rubbish something relentlessly whilst declaring you support it ... but I'm not sure what it is yet.
Political Munchausen By Proxy Syndrome PMBPS, would seem the closest fit.

Explains why Dan exaggerates symptoms and illnesses in the Labour Party, and why he sometimes resorts to causing those symptoms.

Much more eloquent than my suggestion!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:41 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Evening all.

After a bugger of a weekend I've caught up with FTN posts (thanks all) and treating myself to a beer. Whilst supping it I'm wondering how many Labour Home Secretaries would collectively been forced to resign if they'd overseen as much crap as May.

Politicians are human. They have the same faults, fancies and sometimes skewed opinions as a person who lives on a council estate. They look after their own, and Tories in particular operate very much within the 'old boys network'.
But, as long as they stayed within boundaries showed loyalty to the country, and resigned if they were caught out, things ticked along fairly well.

Unfortunately this lot are a new breed. Their arrogance and sense of power by right of birth and wealth far outweighs any talents they may have. It's no good appealing to their sense of decency or empathy because they've never been taught it.

The press barons are made in the same mould and aid and abet them. Even the Guardian uses offshore tax schemes to hold on to their money. The high ups are guarding their jobs and/or income and as Mr Ohso says, they'll kick, bollock and bite, and try every dirty trick in the book to keep it that way.

The only thing that will slap them down is deep humiliation in 2015.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:46 pm

Just posted FTN link to Gail & Jon on twitter, so if you've got here guys, pop in and say hi
~~~waves~~~# at all out visitors

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:46 pm

The only thing that has cheered me up this evening (apart from Nitin Sawhney) is the idle question that popped into my head earlier. 'What happens when all the Express readers have died off - there can't be any young people reading it, surely?'

Can't explain why that bucked me up no end - but it did.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 9:54 pm

We seem to have upset Shaun Lintern at HSJ for suggesting Cure type cronyism in their 2014 awards.

I can't really judge but I feel Umesh Prabhu and Samantha Jones spend a great deal of time spouting motherhood and apple pie on Twitter.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 10:08 pm

Tom Watson accused of manipulating two Labour leadership elections
Ivan Lewis, shadow Northern Ireland secretary, rebukes Watson for endorsing Neil Findlay as Scottish Labour party leader
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... leadership

Inevitable.

(Not said in a Brad Pitt growl and certainly not giving off a nice smell either.)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 10:15 pm

Westminster Hour on Radio 4 - quite interesting stuff on Cameron's big immigration speech ... and some possible tactics re European negotiations (invoking the article that will start the process of leaving! - 'holding Europe's feet to the fire').

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 10:22 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Westminster Hour on Radio 4 - quite interesting stuff on Cameron's big immigration speech ... and some possible tactics re European negotiations (invoking the article that will start the process of leaving! - 'holding Europe's feet to the fire').

Business will put him down before he gets that far.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 10:27 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Westminster Hour on Radio 4 - quite interesting stuff on Cameron's big immigration speech ... and some possible tactics re European negotiations (invoking the article that will start the process of leaving! - 'holding Europe's feet to the fire').
Business will put him down before he gets that far.

I've thanked you for that lovely ambiguous turn of phrase - 'put him down'.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 10:37 pm

Sarah Vine insists the NHS isn't being sold off.

I asked her if Branson was putting in tenders out of the goodness of his heart.

Jesus wept. They must think we're all stupid.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 10:50 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Sarah Vine insists the NHS isn't being sold off.

I asked her if Branson was putting in tenders out of the goodness of his heart.

Jesus wept. They must think we're all stupid.

Well - on the bright side - shows some of the Tory stalwarts are observing the #CameronMustGo tweets and are sufficiently rattled by them to feel they need to respond.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 11:17 pm

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 36m 36 minutes ago
Daily Express reporting on its front page that UKIP in SECOND place in new poll. No details of the pollster.

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 28m 28 minutes ago
@HollowPoint64 @DouglasCarswell Doubt if it is YouGov because that is exclusive for national polls to News International

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 22m 22 minutes ago
Could the ExprEss poll be this Sun readers' survey which IS NOT A PROPER POLL. Known in business as a "voodoo poll"

Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB · 19m 19 minutes ago
The Express "Ukip in 2nd place" poll story is only relevant if carried out by proper pollster. Otherwise just tabloid rubbish.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 23 Nov, 2014 11:28 pm

I know I shouldn't be posting this so late - just before bedtime - truly the stuff of nightmares. Ukip's new youth movement ...

Ukip plans Russell Brand style 'purple revolution' to attract younger voters
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ger-voters
The party has already almost doubled its membership among the under-30s in the past nine months, writes Caroline Wheeler.

Now it is launching its own youth movement, known as the Purple Revolution, to attract even more young members.

In what might be mistaken for a bizarre political alliance, Ukip has adopted the quirky lettering which appears on the cover of comedian Russell Brand’s new book Revolution for its own logo.

Like self-styled political activist Brand, Ukip has turned letters in the word REVOLUTION into mirror writing to read LOVE.

Ukip’s new recruitment bid, being bankrolled by millionaire donor Arron Banks, has its own website and offers those who sign up to its newsletter a free Purple Revolution Nigel Farage T-shirt.

Under the slogan “Love Britain Again” the website has a section entitled “Farage Gold” featuring some of the leader’s most famous speeches and exchanges. It even features the party’s new signature “victory” hand gesture, made famous by Winston Churchill....

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Mon 24 Nov, 2014 12:13 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
The party political broadcast UKIP don’t want you to see
http://tompride.wordpress.com/
(not satire – it’s the UK today)

The rise of UKIP into the mainstream is allowing some very dark forces to feel emboldened enough to come out of the shadows.

Here’s a party political broadcast on behalf of the United Kingdom Independence Party by one of their supporters.

Be afraid – very afraid (if only of the hairstyle):
I watched the video. Warning ... seriously nasty.

Youtube have, slightly, improved their report function (but have hidden it under 'More', just to the right of the share buttons) and it was a pleasure to use it on that nasty little video. What an odious set of opinions that man has. And I find myself glad/relieved that he doesn't have any money...

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Mon 24 Nov, 2014 12:47 am

StephenDolan wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Think the question's also worth asking- who exactly is there in the developed world going in the direction that the more radical leftists want?

Francois Hollande talked a certain amount of sense about austerity in the Eurozone, but didn't win any allies and even his mild social democracy barely lasted 2 years.
Bill De Blasio is the only name that springs to mind.

Podemos

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Mon 24 Nov, 2014 12:51 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:I know I shouldn't be posting this so late - just before bedtime - truly the stuff of nightmares. Ukip's new youth movement ...

Ukip plans Russell Brand style 'purple revolution' to attract younger voters
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/ ... ger-voters
The party has already almost doubled its membership among the under-30s in the past nine months, writes Caroline Wheeler.

Now it is launching its own youth movement, known as the Purple Revolution, to attract even more young members.

In what might be mistaken for a bizarre political alliance, Ukip has adopted the quirky lettering which appears on the cover of comedian Russell Brand’s new book Revolution for its own logo.

Like self-styled political activist Brand, Ukip has turned letters in the word REVOLUTION into mirror writing to read LOVE. The

Ukip’s new recruitment bid, being bankrolled by millionaire donor Arron Banks, has its own website and offers those who sign up to its newsletter a free Purple Revolution Nigel Farage T-shirt.

Under the slogan “Love Britain Again” the website has a section entitled “Farage Gold” featuring some of the leader’s most famous speeches and exchanges. It even features the party’s new signature “victory” hand gesture, made famous by Winston Churchill....

Not sure what I would be thanking for, this worries me more than a lot of other stuff.