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yahyah wrote:Morning all.

Looking at the papers online this morning makes me thankful for shelling out a pound for the Morning Star yesterday. As my old man said just now, it tells you what's really happening.
The Mail, Guardian, Telegraph & John Humphreys on Radio 4 have blown Thornberry's molehill into a huge anti-Labour mountain. Strange that, just what we predicted they'd do post R&S.

Also picked up Nick Davies' Hack Attack & Thomas Piketty's Capital from our local library.
I'm going to boycott the wall to wall rubbish from Radio 4's Today, the Guardian and Jason wot's his name at the New Statesman and read them this weekend instead.

HindleA wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 76887.html


Morning

Steve Richards "Hysteria,Vilification,a spurious "victim";welcome to the age of anti-politics"

letsskiptotheleft wrote:

HindleA wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 76887.html


Morning

Steve Richards "Hysteria,Vilification,a spurious "victim";welcome to the age of anti-politics"

Manufactured outrage over a flag, and a meat head wearing a football shirt.. Who it appears, in these crazy times is off limits, if only the same privilege was granted to those who are disabled, unemployed, struggling to get enough hours to work every week, but hey I guess those do not make great news stories.

giselle97 wrote:And, it's time to say the words anti - semitic too, in my opinion.

giselle97 wrote:By the way TGS, I didn't go to Lisa Forbes' campaign dinner because I thought Tom (she spits venom) Watson was far too busy undermining Ed that day to attend and so far I've not seen any mention of him attending.

Media ‘gagged over bid to report MP child sex cases’
Security services accused of aiding Westminster paedophilia cover-up (Guardian)

Mr Reckless tells the Times: "Until Nigel changed it on Wednesday, the policy of the party was everyone can stay for the transitional period, no doubt about that, that there would then be a permanent arrangement which would be part of the EU negotiation."

pk1 wrote:I'm hearing that New Statesman Editor, Jason Cowley has written another anti-Ed in the Mail today. Anybody seen it ? WTF is he doing writing bilge in the Mail ?

letsskiptotheleft wrote:

pk1 wrote:I'm hearing that New Statesman Editor, Jason Cowley has written another anti-Ed in the Mail today. Anybody seen it ? WTF is he doing writing bilge in the Mail ?

I found it, half ways down on Mail online, something about how ''Ed's snooty elite hates patriotism'' I cannot bring myself to read the rest of the shite.

Same old journalists on #Newsnight @PCollinsTimes @IsabelHardman & @greenmiranda Boring old faces with same old 'bad for Ed' message - yawn

Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 13h13 hours ago
@kb32904 @PCollinsTimes @greenmiranda we're all young and sprightly, actually.

pk1 wrote:I'm hearing that New Statesman Editor, Jason Cowley has written another anti-Ed in the Mail today. Anybody seen it ? WTF is he doing writing bilge in the Mail ?

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

pk1 wrote:I'm hearing that New Statesman Editor, Jason Cowley has written another anti-Ed in the Mail today. Anybody seen it ? WTF is he doing writing bilge in the Mail ?

He is a rabid Blairite who wrote the most amazing sick-making concoction of bilge eulogising Miliband D after he flounced off to the US last year.

How he ever got to edit the NS is a very intriguing question - there are parallels with the Graun largely being taken over by Orange Bookers.

pk1 wrote:Labour's former culture secretary Tessa Jowell is planning to run for mayor of London in 2016.

She told the BBC she is "certainly planning to run" to become Labour's candidate to replace the conservative incumbent Boris Johnson, but said now "isn't time for a formal declaration".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30159049" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

letsskiptotheleft wrote:

pk1 wrote:I'm hearing that New Statesman Editor, Jason Cowley has written another anti-Ed in the Mail today. Anybody seen it ? WTF is he doing writing bilge in the Mail ?

I found it, half ways down on Mail online, something about how ''Ed's snooty elite hates patriotism'' I cannot bring myself to read the rest of the shite.

PorFavor wrote:Good afternoon.

Media ‘gagged over bid to report MP child sex cases’
Security services accused of aiding Westminster paedophilia cover-up (Guardian)

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... abuse-ring

“If Don Hale was ‘served’ with anything purporting to be a ‘D Notice’, it was quite obviously a fabrication.”

Kids behaved better "when we had the cane" – You're 37, you never had it MT @BestoftheMail: White Van Dan's manifesto pic.twitter.com/ZTYdlFOhdu

Value of private UK housing passes £5tn
Collective worth of privately owned homes increases by £1.83tn, with a third of that being added in last year, report finds

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/n ... ousing-5tn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“The political consensus on climate change has frayed,” said Labour party leader Ed Miliband on Thursday evening, who as energy and climate change secretary guided the Climate Change Act through parliament virtually unopposed. “When times got tough, some people headed for the hills.”

It’s not a great leap to infer that Miliband was referring to David Cameron, who has gone from hugging huskies in opposition to ditching “green crap” in office. As Miliband is the only alternative PM voters could chose, what he thinks about the environment and climate change matters. Judging by the speech he gave at the Green Alliance’s 35th birthday celebration, he is serious about both.

Visibly passionate, he began by saying climate change was an issue of equality: “It is the poorest and most vulnerable both around the world and in this country that suffer.”

Miliband then set out a series of points. First he said: “You cannot divorce green policy from economic policy”. This is vital as, in my opinion Cameron’s government have woefully undervalued the green economy, which grew throughout the recession and employs more people than teaching. At Labour party conference, one of Miliband’s pledges was to create a million green jobs.

Miliband then said he believed in devolution and decentralisation and that some policies, such as improving the energy efficiency of the UK’s ageing and leaky homes, would be far more effectively delivered locally.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

With the next opportunity to do a global deal approaching – Paris in 2015 – he urged green campaigners in the room to apply political pressure (as he did when in office in 2008): “Push us to do more.”

“We want the Paris summit to be a big moment when the world says this matters for our kids and for their kids,” he said. “There is no choice but for this movement to be successful.”

I asked him afterwards about his passionate delivery. He said: “Well, you know, I believe this stuff.”

- Damian Carrington

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Mark Reckless admits to feeling a ''bit sore'' after coming off second best with Farage over his repatriation of immigrants comments, according to the Guardian.

I suggest he gets used to it, there's only room enough for one ego in that party.

citizenJA wrote:Please excuse me for posting so much of the article content below. I don't go to the G's Environmental section as much anymore due to full Beta use.

“The political consensus on climate change has frayed,” said Labour party leader Ed Miliband on Thursday evening, who as energy and climate change secretary guided the Climate Change Act through parliament virtually unopposed. “When times got tough, some people headed for the hills.”

It’s not a great leap to infer that Miliband was referring to David Cameron, who has gone from hugging huskies in opposition to ditching “green crap” in office. As Miliband is the only alternative PM voters could chose, what he thinks about the environment and climate change matters. Judging by the speech he gave at the Green Alliance’s 35th birthday celebration, he is serious about both.

Visibly passionate, he began by saying climate change was an issue of equality: “It is the poorest and most vulnerable both around the world and in this country that suffer.”

Miliband then set out a series of points. First he said: “You cannot divorce green policy from economic policy”. This is vital as, in my opinion Cameron’s government have woefully undervalued the green economy, which grew throughout the recession and employs more people than teaching. At Labour party conference, one of Miliband’s pledges was to create a million green jobs.

Miliband then said he believed in devolution and decentralisation and that some policies, such as improving the energy efficiency of the UK’s ageing and leaky homes, would be far more effectively delivered locally.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... d-miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Tin hat time, but I don't think Hardman is as bad as a lot of them - she does show traces of self-awareness at least.

Buy-to-let landlords may be about to have their biggest dream come true: being able to hold their properties in a personal pension.
This would make any future capital gains tax-free. Holding residential property in a pension has previously been impossible.

Lonewolfie wrote:Afternoon all...haven't posted this week (It's brilliant in here and I feel my current mood would have appeared too obsessive) and I'm going to try to post today without mentioning the unspeakable inhuman actions of a few (As you'll see from below, it hasn't worked).

Now then....White Van Dan?

FFS...do me a favour Anyone asked which benefits he receives? (I'm aware I'm making assumptions, but in todays' political climate of untruths, I think it's fair enough). So - a 'cage fighter' and 'works in the motor trade and building maintenance', bald, tattooed and an intimidating appearance - here in Hope, that would indicate a very shady Arthur Daley type (but the 21st Century version, with none of the charm, sophistication or humanity of the original) - any of the MSM going to dig into his accounts? Any murky dealings in his past? No? Quelle very much f****** surprise! (My opinion is that this (along with quite a lot of stuff) is going to backfire - the Scum are f***** as I will opine later) WRT the flags, the 'expert' brought in to support the anti-Labour, anti-Mr Ed line on Vine the Magnificents' show ('cos a picture on Twitter is far more important than a Tory meltdown) asked what was wrong with flying the British flag

On the other hand (whilst a little 'self-medicated' last night) I had a thought (or 2)...

Emily Thornberry - very effective and asked this question, in the HoC, of the incoming AG...

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...a question which may have upset some people ...and also some questions wrt the unspeakable actions would make her a target for removal (not in the Dolphin Square sense) from the frontline (as further attempts at covering up the unspeakable). So, in the fevered imagination of the Wolfie, either she's been 'targetted' by Crosby/Murkydochia to remove the possibility of immediate embarrassment for them (it's all going to come out in the end so just a delaying 'shiny squirrel' really)...or...(depending on who Mr Ed puts in her place) releasing Ms Thornberry as a back bench attack dog to focus more specifically on 'other matters' (to be returned to the post-Election cabinet).

Whatever - Mr Ed acted decisively, whether right or wrong, and has not caused any unrest amongst his faithful - indeed, Ms Thornberry had already apologised before the Scum and their latest poster boy had turned up to 'demand' an apology (is this a case of the truth being up, ready for work, well presented and serious, whilst the lie was still trying to get it's oversized shell-suit around it's bloated noxious repugnant Murkydochian putridness?). Frankly, I feel like going to Rochester to knock on his door and get him to apologise for frightening people with his bone-headed intimidating dimwittery.

...and in the spirit of this place from a couple of weeks ago, I offer this to start the corny joke festival (which I've also just made up in my head, so watch out - I may get a bit more free time today and I know some really crap jokes )...

Where do you find a tortoise with no legs?

a plumber [Steve?]

John Rentoul @JohnRentoul · 5h 5 hours ago
Alan Sked, founder of UKIP: party has “grown into this hideous, racist, populist, xenophobic, Islamophobic thing” http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world ... clout.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Anti-E.U. Party in Britain Strives for Wider Clout
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world ... .html?_r=0

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

pk1 wrote:Labour's former culture secretary Tessa Jowell is planning to run for mayor of London in 2016.

She told the BBC she is "certainly planning to run" to become Labour's candidate to replace the conservative incumbent Boris Johnson, but said now "isn't time for a formal declaration".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-30159049" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My, she has kept that one under her hat, hasn't she. Bless 'er, she never really mastered subtlety.

I actually quite like Tessa, she was my MP when I lived in London so I obviously met her a lot when working with her CLP; but as much as I like her I don't want her, or any of the big guns, to get the nod as I think London would be far better off with Christian Wolmar at the helm - he doesn't have any of the baggage of the others and really knows his stuff, especially on transport matters.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Tin hat time, but I don't think Hardman is as bad as a lot of them - she does show traces of self-awareness at least.

I don't mind her either. She's in the image of Fraser Nelson, rightwing but often perceptive and does attack her own side sometimes.

citizenJA wrote:
I'd contacted all of the Doncaster MPs & Tristram Hunt, my MP here in Stoke, e-mails when the story broke about the care workers' employment conditions degradation. I was sent e-mails from all of them in response, one of the Doncaster MPs a personal message. Mr. Hunt eventually sent a letter in the post recently. He apologised for not responding sooner, Care UK & the workers are apparently negotiating. I'd like to drive the executives making personal fortunes out of the labour of care workers into the sea - it wouldn't be difficult; only a few people get rich in social care.

Mr. Hunt wrote the most important people are those not receiving care due to strike action. I'd have preferred Mr. Hunt didn't rank human beings in varying levels of importance. Nonetheless, Mr. Hunt works hard, I can see that - in my opinion, his education is incomplete but that's workable. He doesn't mind learning new things - I'm glad of that, everyone should be.

gilsey wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Tin hat time, but I don't think Hardman is as bad as a lot of them - she does show traces of self-awareness at least.

I don't mind her either. She's in the image of Fraser Nelson, rightwing but often perceptive and does attack her own side sometimes.

I watched the Dispatches on C4 mainly out of curiousity because it was fronted by Fraser Nelson.
He asked IDS why people on benefits should want to go to work in view of the effective marginal 'tax' rate, currrently about 70% I think.
IDS said it would be 65% under UC.
Nelson asked who would work if they were going to be taxed at 65%?

He didn't get an answer out of IDS needless to say, but I found his approach welcome.
He doesn't see why poor people's motivation should be different to rich people's.

RogerOThornhill wrote:For those who don't subscribe to The Sun...here's White Van Dan's manifesto...the tweets underneath are amusing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... _hp_ref=uk

Kids behaved better "when we had the cane" – You're 37, you never had it MT @BestoftheMail: White Van Dan's manifesto pic.twitter.com/ZTYdlFOhdu

rebeccariots2 wrote:

John Rentoul @JohnRentoul · 5h 5 hours ago
Alan Sked, founder of UKIP: party has “grown into this hideous, racist, populist, xenophobic, Islamophobic thing” http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world ... clout.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

The link is to this piece in the New York Times

Anti-E.U. Party in Britain Strives for Wider Clout
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/19/world ... .html?_r=0

Worth reading for the summarised history of UKIP ... and some of its more memorable gaffes and slips ... when you see them set out like this (and of course it's not all of them by a long chalk) its kind of reassuring to know your instincts and principles are pretty sound.

LadyCentauria wrote:

RogerOThornhill wrote:For those who don't subscribe to The Sun...here's White Van Dan's manifesto...the tweets underneath are amusing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... _hp_ref=uk

Kids behaved better "when we had the cane" – You're 37, you never had it MT @BestoftheMail: White Van Dan's manifesto pic.twitter.com/ZTYdlFOhdu

He might have gone to a private school, mind, – and, although its use had become fairly rare, corporal punishment wasn't made illegal until 1987 (when he would have turned ten) in state schools and part-funded private ones. 1999 for all public (ie., private) schools. It was something I made damned sure wasn't used in the schools my (slightly-older) son went to.

Or he might just have been talking out of his arse...

LadyCentauria wrote:

RogerOThornhill wrote:For those who don't subscribe to The Sun...here's White Van Dan's manifesto...the tweets underneath are amusing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... _hp_ref=uk

Kids behaved better "when we had the cane" – You're 37, you never had it MT @BestoftheMail: White Van Dan's manifesto pic.twitter.com/ZTYdlFOhdu

He might have gone to a private school, mind, – and, although its use had become fairly rare, corporal punishment wasn't made illegal until 1987 (when he would have turned ten) in state schools and part-funded private ones. 1999 for all public (ie., private) schools. It was something I made damned sure wasn't used in the schools my (slightly-older) son went to.

Or he might just have been talking out of his arse...

Party hopes to move on from row about Emily Thornberry tweet with call for £1bn demanded from banks to be spent on NHS