Friday 28th November 2014

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 5:22 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman · 3h 3 hours ago
Oh dear. Just done a ring-around of the really hardcore eurosceptics. They’re not happy and threatening trouble http://specc.ie/1xZyWCs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They were never going to be happy were they ... surely everyone knew that.

Dave might just be realising that chasing the Ukip boat is futile - utterly futile - and he needs to keep some kind of safe, and not wince making embarrassing, avenue open re Europe.
You could see his speech as being reasonably realistic. A fair bit of his reforms are probably in the pipeline anyway- the richer countries don't like paying benefits to migrants.

He's just stuck with a stupid party, who he's failed to control.

Exactly it's a gross failure of leadership. He's W E A K. Passable in a schoolboy debate but utterly lacking in leadership skills.

And I still can't quite believe he says a key negotiating point is something Angela Merkel says is non-negotiable. Talk about picking your fights.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 5:25 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman · 3h 3 hours ago
Oh dear. Just done a ring-around of the really hardcore eurosceptics. They’re not happy and threatening trouble http://specc.ie/1xZyWCs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They were never going to be happy were they ... surely everyone knew that.

Dave might just be realising that chasing the Ukip boat is futile - utterly futile - and he needs to keep some kind of safe, and not wince making embarrassing, avenue open re Europe.
You could see his speech as being reasonably realistic. A fair bit of his reforms are probably in the pipeline anyway- the richer countries don't like paying benefits to migrants.

He's just stuck with a stupid party, who he's failed to control.

They are very definitely a stupid party - wish they weren't quite so destructive with it. Benign and stupid - OKish (not necessarily in govt) but nasty and stupid, definitely not.

Interesting that Cameron indicated some of his proposals would need treaty changes ... I wonder if the other European members will see it the same way. You're right about some of the richer countries also having issues - the report on WATO from Denmark bears that out ... they spoke to people there who didn't want immigrants to have any rights to benefits at all.

I want to see a level playing field re employment of unskilled labour in particular. This Mirror report is depressing ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ne ... sh-4709994" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did Cameron say anything about clamping down on such recruitment practices?

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 5:38 pm

I don't think this needs any comment

[youtube]saz-zWMPSnM[/youtube]

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 5:41 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/op ... ed-4694652" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 5:58 pm

rosita stefanyszyn retweeted
Antonia Bance ‏@antoniabance 47m47 minutes ago
Today was a bad day for renters, landlords, and democracy << great piece in the Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 91461.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 6:00 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman · 3h 3 hours ago
Oh dear. Just done a ring-around of the really hardcore eurosceptics. They’re not happy and threatening trouble http://specc.ie/1xZyWCs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They were never going to be happy were they ... surely everyone knew that.

Dave might just be realising that chasing the Ukip boat is futile - utterly futile - and he needs to keep some kind of safe, and not wince making embarrassing, avenue open re Europe.

Dave's speech put me in mind of a saying, something about labouring mightily and bringing forth a mouse.
Hardly enough in it to justify the buildup.

Btw, I've been into town this pm for an eye test, was hoping to report that Black Friday had passed Middlesbrough by, but sadly not.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 6:12 pm

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 6:18 pm

Well one way of looking at the antics of Chope and Davies is that there's a good issue there for the General Election.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 6:34 pm

[youtube]DshIblBb0I8[/youtube]

Zoe Williams @zoesqwilliams · 17h 17 hours ago
“@Think_Become: @zoesqwilliams My views on the trend, and why #CameronMustGo " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ” I like this young un

Post by **refitman** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 6:45 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Zoe Williams @zoesqwilliams · 17h 17 hours ago
“@Think_Become: @zoesqwilliams My views on the trend, and why #CameronMustGo " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ” I like this young un

I like the cut of his jib.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 6:47 pm

[youtube]VSzCEj-pT6E[/youtube]
Natalie Bennett (Green Party) - Leaders Live
Bite News

First of a series of filmed sessions with leaders of political parties ... with young people asking the questions and raising the issues.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 6:48 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/op ... ed-4694652

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The vote/poll thing at the bottom of that page
"How will you vote in next year's general election?"
has Ukip on 44% and Labour on 26%

I know, I know, these things are manipulated, but still.....

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 6:48 pm

refitman wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Zoe Williams @zoesqwilliams · 17h 17 hours ago
“@Think_Become: @zoesqwilliams My views on the trend, and why #CameronMustGo " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ” I like this young un
I like the cut of his jib.

So do I.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 7:16 pm

Rupert Murdoch @rupertmurdoch
· 1h 1 hour ago
UK PM speaks today on immigration crisis. His problem - lack of credibility. Anyone listening?

Ouch!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 7:23 pm

Wonder if he's going to back UKIP?

Not that he shifted many votes last time.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 7:34 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:[youtube]DshIblBb0I8[/youtube]
Zoe Williams @zoesqwilliams · 17h 17 hours ago
“@Think_Become: @zoesqwilliams My views on the trend, and why #CameronMustGo " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ” I like this young un

Good man!

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 7:51 pm

Christ, That right wing rag the Guardian is attempting to rekindle the Thornberry story.

I have gone in with a two footed challenge, if anybody else still bothers with it I would encourage them to have a go. Don't let the buggers re-write history.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... mentpage=1

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 7:52 pm

The next of those Leaders Live sessions is with Nigel Farage. His chosen topics are the EU, democracy and immigration. No surprise there then.

Now the young audience, internetters get to choose the 4th topic. So if you are, or know someone, aged 16 to 24 who wants to give Nigel something a bit more challenging and challengeable for him to respond to you can vote for the 4th topic here:

http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/#poll

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 7:56 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 8:06 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:The next of those Leaders Live sessions is with Nigel Farage. His chosen topics are the EU, democracy and immigration. No surprise there then.

Now the young audience, internetters get to choose the 4th topic. So if you are, or know someone, aged 16 to 24 who wants to give Nigel something a bit more challenging and challengeable for him to respond to you can vote for the 4th topic here:

http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/#poll

Looks like questions are being pushed towards immigration, you can vote on the topics even if you are older than 16 - 24

http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/#poll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 8:07 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

'nite PF

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 8:19 pm

Defeatist little jerk

Don't like the cut of his jib in this interview, not at all

"Labour can win a majority," he tells me, stressing the word 'can', before continuing: "We, of course, will be pushing to try and secure a Labour government and it would be fantastic if we had the ability to do that as the Labour Party alone but I think realistically we must now be prepared for coalition."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... 1417182799" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 8:26 pm

Apologies is already posted, this should be of interest to RebeccaR?

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/20 ... 0-porsche/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The only money I have spent today is on a bag of chips on the way home from work, you can stick your Americanisation of this country, I wont be joining in..

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 8:30 pm

David Cameron has taken a stiff Twitter jab to the chin after the Czech Republic's Europe Minister responded to the PM’s immigration speech by posting a picture of Czech pilots serving in the RAF during the Second World War.
Tomas Prouza posted the picture on Friday, having been upset by Cameron’s suggestion that EU immigrants should only be allowed to claim welfare after they had been in the UK for four years.
He responded by posting the following tweet, with the words: "These Czechs 'worked' in the #UK for less than four years. No benefits for them?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... _hp_ref=tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's the tweet

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rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 8:44 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:The next of those Leaders Live sessions is with Nigel Farage. His chosen topics are the EU, democracy and immigration. No surprise there then.

Now the young audience, internetters get to choose the 4th topic. So if you are, or know someone, aged 16 to 24 who wants to give Nigel something a bit more challenging and challengeable for him to respond to you can vote for the 4th topic here:

http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/#poll
Looks like questions are being pushed towards immigration, you can vote on the topics even if you are older than 16 - 24

http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/#poll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The fourth topic with the most votes so far is Environment. He won't necessarily enjoy that ...

I voted for Health - which is second favourite at present. He definitely shouldn't enjoy that.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 8:52 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Defeatist little jerk
Don't like the cut of his jib in this interview, not at all

"Labour can win a majority," he tells me, stressing the word 'can', before continuing: "We, of course, will be pushing to try and secure a Labour government and it would be fantastic if we had the ability to do that as the Labour Party alone but I think realistically we must now be prepared for coalition."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... 1417182799" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He does come across as a bit of a muppet, it has to be said.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 8:59 pm

Anne McGuire MP ‏@AnneMcGuireMP 2m2 minutes ago
If you want to have interesting fun tonight, take a look at @faisalislam timeline. And all because he mentioned the current price if oil!

It is quite entertaining.

Trouble is her use of 'and all because he mentioned' somehow took me to the fantastically unreal derring do activities of Milk Tray adverts ... but suppose there might be some similarities there.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:01 pm

Ashfield Labour ‏@AshfieldLabour · 47s47 seconds ago
WANTED: Labour supporters who want to make an impact in their community. Apply to be a mobilisation assistant today: http://labour.tw/1xPUgGK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just read it, positions available all over the country
Edit to add
Role: General Election Mobilisation Assistants
Salary: The pro rata equivalent of £17,580.20 per annum and a fixed sum allowance of £358
Duration: Fixed-term contract until two weeks after the next General Election
Location: Labour Party Offices across Britain

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:02 pm

Jusr listening to the Eastman Saxophone Project'sversion of Steve Reich's "New York Counterpoint". Do your ears a big favour and Google it as a video - there's one at a NASA do that's simply astounding.

Politics will resume in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.......

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:17 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:The next of those Leaders Live sessions is with Nigel Farage. His chosen topics are the EU, democracy and immigration. No surprise there then.

Now the young audience, internetters get to choose the 4th topic. So if you are, or know someone, aged 16 to 24 who wants to give Nigel something a bit more challenging and challengeable for him to respond to you can vote for the 4th topic here:

http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/#poll
Looks like questions are being pushed towards immigration, you can vote on the topics even if you are older than 16 - 24

http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/#poll" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The fourth topic with the most votes so far is Environment. He won't necessarily enjoy that ...

I voted for Health - which is second favourite at present. He definitely shouldn't enjoy that.

I'd be tempted to choose 'workers' rights', since our departure from the EU would see the absolute destruction of them in the UK.

Would probably be a bit of an eye opener for the 'people's army' to learn how much UKIP hate wroking people's rights...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:18 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Defeatist little jerk
Don't like the cut of his jib in this interview, not at all

"Labour can win a majority," he tells me, stressing the word 'can', before continuing: "We, of course, will be pushing to try and secure a Labour government and it would be fantastic if we had the ability to do that as the Labour Party alone but I think realistically we must now be prepared for coalition."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... 1417182799" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

..and right on cue
Kinnock Snipes at Miliband

http://order-order.com/2014/11/28/kinno ... -miliband/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:21 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30254459" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Delayed discharges reach record high in England

Andy Burnham warned about this prior to the 2010 GE.Also,consider the penalisation of caring activities by family members since then in a slew of policies (non)justified by exhortations to "change behaviour".

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:24 pm

Manchester gets £100m EU support
http://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/n ... B4.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:25 pm

How Osborne watered down his deficit reduction vote
The Chancellor has shifted his focus from an absolute surplus to a current surplus.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... ction-vote
No Autumn Statement or Budget passes without George Osborne laying a trap for Labour. Delivering the former on Wednesday, Osborne the Chancellor is expected to announce plans to stage a vote on his pledge to eliminate the structural current deficit by 2017-18. The aim is to force Labour, which has promised to eradicate the current deficit by 2020 at the latest (giving it more flexibility than Osborne), to oppose the commitment and be exposed as fiscally "irresponsible". Osborne hopes to persuade the Lib Dems, who support the 2017-18 target but want tax rises to play a continued role in deficit reduction, to join forces with the Tories, reanimating the two-against-one dynamic that enabled the coalition to trash Labour's economic record in the months after the 2010 general election...

It's just depressing ... this constant point scoring and dodgy tactics that takes up so much of the time and resources of our government and parliament ... paid for by us mere plebs.

You'd like to think the Lib Dems might just rise above this one ... and refuse to do the deal. But I doubt it ... some of them still have eyes on power post 2015 no doubt.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:30 pm

Oh look! Blackburn planning a new Workhouse.
"It was bought by Blackburn with Darwen Council and now the borough is poised to sell it to a Lancashire-based charity which helps 'marginalised people back into stable, independent living'.
The charity's associated social enterprise will run the site as a recycling centre for items such as metal, scrap cars, tyres, plastics, TVs and redundant household items for sale.
The money raised from the recycling operation will help provide the homeless and others on the margins of society with training, education, work experience and employment

A rose by any other name an all that.

"Up 10 otherwise homeless people would live at the site under supervision"

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... _homeless/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:40 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Defeatist little jerk
Don't like the cut of his jib in this interview, not at all

"Labour can win a majority," he tells me, stressing the word 'can', before continuing: "We, of course, will be pushing to try and secure a Labour government and it would be fantastic if we had the ability to do that as the Labour Party alone but I think realistically we must now be prepared for coalition."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... 1417182799" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How come this pillock got selected. I could understand if he was selected by the Tories. It's twats like him that put me off Labour.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:41 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Oh look! Blackburn planning a new Workhouse.
"It was bought by Blackburn with Darwen Council and now the borough is poised to sell it to a Lancashire-based charity which helps 'marginalised people back into stable, independent living'.
The charity's associated social enterprise will run the site as a recycling centre for items such as metal, scrap cars, tyres, plastics, TVs and redundant household items for sale.
The money raised from the recycling operation will help provide the homeless and others on the margins of society with training, education, work experience and employment

A rose by any other name an all that.

"Up 10 otherwise homeless people would live at the site under supervision"

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... _homeless/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Welcome back to the 19th century - just as the Tories want it.

The odd thing is, if most people read that article, they wouldn't make the connection to the Poor Laws and workhouses of Victorian England unless you damn well pointed it out to them.

This is beyond sick, whatever their intentions.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:46 pm

ErnstRemarx wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Oh look! Blackburn planning a new Workhouse.
"It was bought by Blackburn with Darwen Council and now the borough is poised to sell it to a Lancashire-based charity which helps 'marginalised people back into stable, independent living'.
The charity's associated social enterprise will run the site as a recycling centre for items such as metal, scrap cars, tyres, plastics, TVs and redundant household items for sale.
The money raised from the recycling operation will help provide the homeless and others on the margins of society with training, education, work experience and employment

A rose by any other name an all that.

"Up 10 otherwise homeless people would live at the site under supervision"

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... _homeless/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Welcome back to the 19th century - just as the Tories want it.

The odd thing is, if most people read that article, they wouldn't make the connection to the Poor Laws and workhouses of Victorian England unless you damn well pointed it out to them.

This is beyond sick, whatever their intentions.

I think four an a half years of this lot have well an truly jaded me and turned me into a cynic, I actively look for the "catch" even in what is presented as a good news storey ... sad.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:56 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:Christ, That right wing rag the Guardian is attempting to rekindle the Thornberry story.

I have gone in with a two footed challenge, if anybody else still bothers with it I would encourage them to have a go. Don't let the buggers re-write history.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... mentpage=1

Despite the fact it keeps the story alive, it's actually pretty sympathetic to all parties and paints a very different picture of her than the bullshit the meeja have dispensed so far. One point chimed big with me: she's an effective left wing MP - they had to get rid of her by any means. I just hope that Miliband will have the guts to say fuck it, she's too good to sideline and is where we're at as a party (and then lay into the Oxbridge educted meeja that promulgated the storm).

The only thing about the original Thornbury photo was that it laid itself open to wide interpretation.

And weren't the Oxbridge educated, over privileged, overpaid, unconnected Westminster fixated hacks quick to prove that it was actually them, and not her, who are the snobs, as they morphed over their views onto her photo.

Scum. The lot of them.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 9:59 pm

ErnstRemarx wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Oh look! Blackburn planning a new Workhouse.
"It was bought by Blackburn with Darwen Council and now the borough is poised to sell it to a Lancashire-based charity which helps 'marginalised people back into stable, independent living'.
The charity's associated social enterprise will run the site as a recycling centre for items such as metal, scrap cars, tyres, plastics, TVs and redundant household items for sale.
The money raised from the recycling operation will help provide the homeless and others on the margins of society with training, education, work experience and employment

A rose by any other name an all that.

"Up 10 otherwise homeless people would live at the site under supervision"

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... _homeless/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Welcome back to the 19th century - just as the Tories want it.

The odd thing is, if most people read that article, they wouldn't make the connection to the Poor Laws and workhouses of Victorian England unless you damn well pointed it out to them.

This is beyond sick, whatever their intentions.

Cheer up (sarcasm, me) - many would understand straight away ('up to 10 otherwise homeless people would live at the site under supervision'!?!) 'otherwise homeless' people are being considered "surplus stock" or whatever it is Tories call human beings who aren't friends or family these days.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:14 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Ashfield Labour ‏@AshfieldLabour · 47s47 seconds ago
WANTED: Labour supporters who want to make an impact in their community. Apply to be a mobilisation assistant today: http://labour.tw/1xPUgGK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just read it, positions available all over the country
Edit to add
Role: General Election Mobilisation Assistants
Salary: The pro rata equivalent of £17,580.20 per annum and a fixed sum allowance of £358
Duration: Fixed-term contract until two weeks after the next General Election
Location: Labour Party Offices across Britain

Thank you! I haven't checked my e-mail today so this is the first I've read of this. And just last night I told ErnstRemarx I'd like to work enthusiastically to support my community. The knock on the door is for you, CitizenJA! Labour needs me!

The first thing I thought of when I saw 'Mobilisation Assistant' was a request for helpers for people with mobility limitations - getting those people places they couldn't get to on their own.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:18 pm

citizenJA wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Ashfield Labour ‏@AshfieldLabour · 47s47 seconds ago
WANTED: Labour supporters who want to make an impact in their community. Apply to be a mobilisation assistant today: http://labour.tw/1xPUgGK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just read it, positions available all over the country
Edit to add
Role: General Election Mobilisation Assistants
Salary: The pro rata equivalent of £17,580.20 per annum and a fixed sum allowance of £358
Duration: Fixed-term contract until two weeks after the next General Election
Location: Labour Party Offices across Britain
Thank you! I haven't checked my e-mail today so this is the first I've read of this. And just last night I told ErnstRemarx I'd like to work enthusiastically to support my community. The knock on the door is for you, CitizenJA! Labour needs me!

The first thing I thought of when I saw 'Mobilisation Assistant' was a request for helpers for people with mobility limitations - getting those people places they couldn't get to on their own.

Well in fairness that could be included in election campaigning & job description, finding people who need help getting about and helping them.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:28 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Ashfield Labour ‏@AshfieldLabour · 47s47 seconds ago
WANTED: Labour supporters who want to make an impact in their community. Apply to be a mobilisation assistant today: http://labour.tw/1xPUgGK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just read it, positions available all over the country
Edit to add
Role: General Election Mobilisation Assistants
Salary: The pro rata equivalent of £17,580.20 per annum and a fixed sum allowance of £358
Duration: Fixed-term contract until two weeks after the next General Election
Location: Labour Party Offices across Britain
Thank you! I haven't checked my e-mail today so this is the first I've read of this. And just last night I told ErnstRemarx I'd like to work enthusiastically to support my community. The knock on the door is for you, CitizenJA! Labour needs me!

The first thing I thought of when I saw 'Mobilisation Assistant' was a request for helpers for people with mobility limitations - getting those people places they couldn't get to on their own.
Well in fairness that could be included in election campaigning & job description, finding people who need help getting about and helping them.

Yep. It's part of what the job is about, really.

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:33 pm

Probably the best quote I've yet read about the whole Thornberry saga, from someone who I suspect knows what they're actually talking about as opposed to 90% of the BTL on the Graun article:

"Seriously, the whole "incident" was entirely artificial. Why anyone would trust the Tories or the writers of The Sun to know anything about the working class I will never know - unless they imagine that all those journos and sub editors moonlight as brickies or something.

End of the day, the person being criticised was not "the working class", but the kind of guy that most working class people hate just as much as anyone else. There's one on every street or estate but, crucially, there's very rarely MORE than one. When he hangs his flag, people don't follow suit. It's not because they're too scared of the PC thugs; it's because they think he's an asshole and want nothing to do with him."

Er, yeah. That nails it. Nothing more remains to be said - I see exactly this when out door knocking. You see an England flag flying in the front garden or off a window and you quickly realise that, World Cup or not, you're just about to have a very unfulfilling conversation - if they can be arsed to answer the door, which frequently they're not.

I'm afraid I've seen it more times than I feel comfortable with, and it tells me that either some people are irredeemably thick or else the lumpen proletariat (thiose Marx saw as uninvolved and uninterested in politics) has - as it ever has - a sizeable vote.

Either way, I don't buy the meeja's bullshit on this. Every last journalist writing about it would avoid that house and its inhabitants like the fucking plague, and everyone knows it, since they are of exactly the same class of people as the politicians that they slag off - although some are actually posher and richer, which makes them even better shills for the rich, moneyed and influential, for whom they draw their pay.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:33 pm

To mobilise and support the Labour Party’s members and supporters in campaigning in the run up to the next General Election.

That's the thing about community, society, civilisation - cooperative effort with all the people is required to get a task successfully completed.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:34 pm

ErnstRemarx wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:Christ, That right wing rag the Guardian is attempting to rekindle the Thornberry story.

I have gone in with a two footed challenge, if anybody else still bothers with it I would encourage them to have a go. Don't let the buggers re-write history.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... mentpage=1
Despite the fact it keeps the story alive, it's actually pretty sympathetic to all parties and paints a very different picture of her than the bullshit the meeja have dispensed so far. One point chimed big with me: she's an effective left wing MP - they had to get rid of her by any means. I just hope that Miliband will have the guts to say fuck it, she's too good to sideline and is where we're at as a party (and then lay into the Oxbridge educted meeja that promulgated the storm).

The only thing about the original Thornbury photo was that it laid itself open to wide interpretation.

And weren't the Oxbridge educated, over privileged, overpaid, unconnected Westminster fixated hacks quick to prove that it was actually them, and not her, who are the snobs, as they morphed over their views onto her photo.

Scum. The lot of them.

Nah, you are too charitable, they are lining this up for a pop at Ed for sacking her. Don't forget the Guardians role in this.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:57 pm

I'm sorry but this is going too far, the immigration thing is now out of hand
"Tebbit Wants EU Migrants To Be Assessed By Who Their Family Fought For In World War II"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11 ... _hp_ref=tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes he is old and perhaps out of touch, but he is still given a voice the right can rally round.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 10:58 pm

Crikey, Cameron in that speech.

Pumped up, talking out of his arse, and furiously backpedalling, all at the same time.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:01 pm

I'm going to bed before I cry at the loss of our civilised society

School apologises over Bible and homosexuality worksheet
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LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 28 Nov, 2014 11:04 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:I'm going to bed before I cry at the loss of our civilised society
School apologises over Bible and homosexuality worksheet
http://schoolsimprovement.net/school-ap ... -worksheet" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Goodnight AAA x