Friday 28th November 2014
Posted: Fri 28 Nov, 2014 7:57 am
Morning all.
Morning yahyah. Perhaps Michael Brown should have declared an interest viz gay sex scandalsyahyah wrote:Morning.
BBC are trotting out 'cash for questions' sleaze-sters like Neil Hamilton & Michael Brown to mouth off about Andrew Mitchell.
Michael Brown got very animated on BBC News channel last night.
He blamed Cameron for it happening, because of his policy on cars for ministers, and then went on to say that Macmillan introduced ministerial cars because a minister ended up having sex in the bushes on his way home.
Rather hilarious reason to support spending tax payer money in times of austerity, because a Tory MP got caught out in a gay sex scandal.
I want to see this picked up by the MSM and Osborne given a proper questioning about the 'long term economic plan' and how it is clearly not delivering. This tax receipts hole has been so predictable for so long. 17bn FFS.£17bn hole in tax receipts has wrecked deficit-cutting plan, TUC study shows
Union body blames low-wage economy and lack of earnings growth means government is collecting £17bn less than forecast this year
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... -tuc-study
danesclose wrote:Morning yahyah. Perhaps Michael Brown should have declared an interest viz gay sex scandalsyahyah wrote:Morning.
BBC are trotting out 'cash for questions' sleaze-sters like Neil Hamilton & Michael Brown to mouth off about Andrew Mitchell.
Michael Brown got very animated on BBC News channel last night.
He blamed Cameron for it happening, because of his policy on cars for ministers, and then went on to say that Macmillan introduced ministerial cars because a minister ended up having sex in the bushes on his way home.
Rather hilarious reason to support spending tax payer money in times of austerity, because a Tory MP got caught out in a gay sex scandal.
Harvey Proctor, who allegedly had a penchant for spanking rent boys.yahyah wrote:danesclose wrote:Morning yahyah. Perhaps Michael Brown should have declared an interest viz gay sex scandalsyahyah wrote:Morning.
BBC are trotting out 'cash for questions' sleaze-sters like Neil Hamilton & Michael Brown to mouth off about Andrew Mitchell.
Michael Brown got very animated on BBC News channel last night.
He blamed Cameron for it happening, because of his policy on cars for ministers, and then went on to say that Macmillan introduced ministerial cars because a minister ended up having sex in the bushes on his way home.
Rather hilarious reason to support spending tax payer money in times of austerity, because a Tory MP got caught out in a gay sex scandal.
It must be a complete coincidence just how much murk surrounds some of these people.
Remember the disgraced Tory MP who set up a mens clothes outfitters ?
Think it was the Independent that revealed that lots of his 'friends' in the House kindly 'invested' in his business.
His shop was bankrolled by the likes of Hesletine, Jeffrey Archer & Neil HamiltonIn June 1986, The People newspaper published claims that Proctor had taken part in spanking and cane beating of male prostitutes, aged between 17 and 21, in his London flat. The age of consent for homosexuals was still 21 in 1986, and the following year Proctor was charged with gross indecency
Reminds me of the anecdote about Churchill.yahyah wrote:
...and then went on to say that Macmillan introduced ministerial cars because a minister ended up having sex in the bushes on his way home.
Rather hilarious reason to support spending tax payer money in times of austerity, because a Tory MP got caught out in a gay sex scandal.
Half-blind widow killed herself after her incapacity benefit was axed because she was fit enough to catch a bus
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... h-bus.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30236927It comes as mental health beds are being cut in England - figures show more than 2100 have gone since 2011.
The NHS England said spending on mental health was increasing in real terms.
You can see how this can be factually correct. They could have cut the spend in 2011, 2012 and 2013, then started to increase it again in 2014. I don't know if that's the case, but I do recall an announcement on mental health spending relatively recently (from Dave?).Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30236927It comes as mental health beds are being cut in England - figures show more than 2100 have gone since 2011.
The NHS England said spending on mental health was increasing in real terms.
The usual disconnect between what the government says and the experience on the ground. If mental health spending has increased, why aren't there enough beds? Seems to me either the money has disappeared in bureaucratic waste somehow or demand has gone up. Either way more explanation from the government appears to be required. Were government responses to serious concerns always so woolly?
Ah. I didn't think of that. But then I'm a straightforward, honest sort of person, so disingenuous sleights of hand don't automatically spring to mind. How a government spokesman could overlook years of cuts and assert a recent increase is the true state of play is beyond me. Karma will catch up with all those who helped this government with its spin one day, the guilt will nag at them, however much they think it won't. Everything we do catches up with us eventually.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:You can see how this can be factually correct. They could have cut the spend in 2011, 2012 and 2013, then started to increase it again in 2014. I don't know if that's the case, but I do recall an announcement on mental health spending relatively recently (from Dave?).Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30236927It comes as mental health beds are being cut in England - figures show more than 2100 have gone since 2011.
The NHS England said spending on mental health was increasing in real terms.
The usual disconnect between what the government says and the experience on the ground. If mental health spending has increased, why aren't there enough beds? Seems to me either the money has disappeared in bureaucratic waste somehow or demand has gone up. Either way more explanation from the government appears to be required. Were government responses to serious concerns always so woolly?
Morning.rebeccariots2 wrote:I want to see this picked up by the MSM and Osborne given a proper questioning about the 'long term economic plan' and how it is clearly not delivering. This tax receipts hole has been so predictable for so long. 17bn FFS.£17bn hole in tax receipts has wrecked deficit-cutting plan, TUC study shows
Union body blames low-wage economy and lack of earnings growth means government is collecting £17bn less than forecast this year
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... -tuc-study
I know - I want doesn't usually get.
Morning all.
So, in a nutshell then "Dave", the main problems are caused by employers paying crap wages (which leads to employees needing to claim things such as tax credits) and the out of control rents, fuelled by greedy buy to let landlords, in the private housing sector. Isn't it your job to sort this stuff out?Cameron says most EU migrants come to the UK to work.
And let me be clear: the great majority of those who come here from Europe come to work, work hard and pay their taxes. (Andrew Sparrow, Guardian)
Hi PaulPaulfromYorkshire wrote:One thing I find myself doing with frustrating regularity on Twitter is defending Wales and in particular the NHS funding. I wonder if we need a troll buster or a feature article on the subject, perhaps from our Wales correspondents.
The argument goes like this.
Labour in Cardiff have cut funding on the NHS whereas the Coalition have increased NHS funding in England.
The reply is of course, but the Coalition cut the Assembly budget. I've seen hard figures that this is a 10% cut in the total real terms budget of Wales over the period 2010-15.
Yes, they say, but Wales chose to cut the NHS whereas the Coalition chose to protect it.
This is the sleight of hand and where I'd welcome some help. What happened of course was that Westminster slashed some of the big budgets where Wales has no authority, like Defence and Justice (affecting Wales too of course!) and took some of that to transfer to the English NHS. So Wales are getting hammered again!
I'm not sure I've read analyses along these lines but would love to have some links, figures etc.
Thanks
Be fair, Knots Landing may just have edged it.NonOxCol wrote:Black Friday: of all the things we've taken from the US, this has to be the stinking rotten nadir in every conceivable way.
Another low approval rating, but not translating into a Labour lead. Yet.refitman wrote:Labour & Tories tied on Yougov:
Latest YouGov / The Sun results 27th November -
Con 31%, (-2)
Lab 31%, (-1)
LD 8%, (+2)
UKIP 17%; (+1)
Grn 6%; (-1)
APP -28 (-2)
(BTW, the new Yougov site is bloody awful)
They're Schrödinger's immigrants!PorFavor wrote:I forgot to mention in my post above that David Cameron is contradicting himself as he swivels on the Ukip skewer. On the one hand he's saying there's no big problem (in that the majority of EU migrants to the UK are hard-working contributors) whilst on the other, they're an enormous drain on resources. Which is it?
If the government spokesman had pointed to other areas of mental health provision where spending had increased with positive results, I wouldn't have made my original complaint of the government's response to serious concerns being woolly. It's the issue of a serious concern always being fobbed off with "spending has gone up" that wound me up. People have committed suicide after a failure to secure a bed. Maybe they would have anyway, but a little explanation as to why fewer beds are being funded, despite an increase of funds, would have shown a little more respect to those concerned about how mental health provision is being handled. I just wondered if government responses have always been so opaquely uninformative, whilst superficially, almost propagandistically, 'positive'RobertSnozers wrote:Careful not to misinterpret data. Number of beds is an indicator of neither quality nor cost. Having said that, there are clearly not enough beds in some sectors and nowhere near enough spend on MH overall, but in the vast majority of cases I'd far rather see people cared for at home or in the community. Only those with the most serious mental ill health need to be in a bed, and intensive community support can be more expensive than hospital beds in some cases.Willow904 wrote:Ah. I didn't think of that. But then I'm a straightforward, honest sort of person, so disingenuous sleights of hand don't automatically spring to mind. How a government spokesman could overlook years of cuts and assert a recent increase is the true state of play is beyond me. Karma will catch up with all those who helped this government with its spin one day, the guilt will nag at them, however much they think it won't. Everything we do catches up with us eventually.PaulfromYorkshire wrote: You can see how this can be factually correct. They could have cut the spend in 2011, 2012 and 2013, then started to increase it again in 2014. I don't know if that's the case, but I do recall an announcement on mental health spending relatively recently (from Dave?).
None of this means the government hasn't made a catastrophic hash of the NHS of course.
As I posted the other night - in Pub Landlord style.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Be fair, Knots Landing may just have edged it.NonOxCol wrote:Black Friday: of all the things we've taken from the US, this has to be the stinking rotten nadir in every conceivable way.
But I totally agree, Black Friday is an utter abomination, doesn't help with the media stoking the fire with their "utter carnage" reportage.
SimonDanczuk @Simon_Danczuk
· 36m 36 minutes ago
Couldn't resist naming Sir Edward Garnier yesterday. Keeps me media bandwagon rolling and me in the limelight.
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· Nov 23
Forget #CameronMustGo I say #MilibandMustGo
AngryAsWell wrote:Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB
· 38m 38 minutes ago
LAB up to 37% with Populus online
Lab 37 (+1) Con 32 (+1) LD 9 (nc) UKIP 14 (-1)
In the dim & distant past, when I used to work in Harrods Book Department, we were next door to Radio & TV. They always used to start the sale off with a few items reduced to ridiculously low prices, to draw people in; on a number of occasions I witnessed people involved in a punch up over one of these 'bargains' - I thought it a poor reflection on the venality of sections of our society then, and these scenes today suggest nothing has changed. Deeply saddening.ohsocynical wrote:Re: Black Friday.
I think the first time last year was at Asda which is owned by American company Walmart.
It's on the day after Thanksgiving [a non gift giving event] in the US, and has been used to get Americans up and spending for Christmas for a long time.
It's a bit like our January sales used to be year ago only more manic.
I dropped my jaw when I first saw the signs here.NonOxCol wrote:Just logged in to say that today is probably not going to provide the best evidence for believing the UK population can resist capitalist propaganda.
Black Friday: of all the things we've taken from the US, this has to be the stinking rotten nadir in every conceivable way.
Simon Danczuk = Daily Mail. "Stop all these foreigners coming over and looking at my wife's tits; see below"TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Slightly off topic, but worth the share. Somebody has started a spoof Simon Danczuk account on Twitter, got him bang to rights in my opinion.
SimonDanczuk @Simon_Danczuk
· 36m 36 minutes ago
Couldn't resist naming Sir Edward Garnier yesterday. Keeps me media bandwagon rolling and me in the limelight.https://twitter.com/Simon_Danczuk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;SimonDanczuk @Simon_Danczuk
· Nov 23
Forget #CameronMustGo I say #MilibandMustGo
Bravo. Well said.mikems wrote:Britain is attractive to loose capital and migrant workers because, among other things, workers' rights are so weak.
And if you really want to reduce internal EU migration, one of the best ways of doing it would be to tighten employment law, give workers proper rights to tenure etc covered by sectoral agreements to prevent abuses.
If you did that at the same time as insisting on investment funds and full employment for each member state as an EU aim, and if we had the power to tax unused capital and direct it to specific infrastructure, food and energy self-sufficiency projects etc, then migration would almost disappear, because most people do not want to shift from one end of the continent to the other for work. They would rather build their own country.
Try working in retail. We start thinking about Christmas in March!RobertSnozers wrote:That's been one of my bugbears for many years. Christmas is a 12-day festival that starts on the 25th. It doesn't start to gather momentum in October and cut off after tea on Boxing Day. Little depresses me more than having to go back to work well before 12th Night already thoroughly sick of everything festive. I'm not a practising Christian - just 'culturally CofE'. In my house, Christmas doesn't start until the first playing of Fairytale of New York on 7" vinyl. I'm old fashioned like that.adam wrote:They're Schrödinger's immigrants!PorFavor wrote:I forgot to mention in my post above that David Cameron is contradicting himself as he swivels on the Ukip skewer. On the one hand he's saying there's no big problem (in that the majority of EU migrants to the UK are hard-working contributors) whilst on the other, they're an enormous drain on resources. Which is it?
Is it me or is "Black Friday" on this scale something completely new (and rubbish) to us this year? If the stores insist on trying this on, can they also do the American thing of being banned from starting Christmas until today (or ideally until when Christmas actually starts, on Christmas Eve. After it's got dark.)
A few very fine commentators getting verbally abused & personally denigrated in responses from who knows who below the line. I'm sometimes able to remain objective & read the abusive posts as sociologically examples of bullying.refitman wrote:Jonathan Portes piece on Cif is good: The immigration speech David Cameron should be giving
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Absolutely!refitman wrote:Try working in retail. We start thinking about Christmas in March!RobertSnozers wrote: That's been one of my bugbears for many years. Christmas is a 12-day festival that starts on the 25th. It doesn't start to gather momentum in October and cut off after tea on Boxing Day. Little depresses me more than having to go back to work well before 12th Night already thoroughly sick of everything festive. I'm not a practising Christian - just 'culturally CofE'. In my house, Christmas doesn't start until the first playing of Fairytale of New York on 7" vinyl. I'm old fashioned like that.
So - if you miss out on a bargain TV, just don't buy the chicken.Asda exposed as supermarket with 'dirtiest' chicken
Supermarkets are named and shamed as study finds seven in ten chickens contain a potentially deadly bacteria called campylobacter, with Asda closely followed by Co-op, Waitrose and Morrisons
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/shoppin ... icken.html
Well said!mikems wrote:Britain is attractive to loose capital and migrant workers because, among other things, workers' rights are so weak.
And if you really want to reduce internal EU migration, one of the best ways of doing it would be to tighten employment law, give workers proper rights to tenure etc covered by sectoral agreements to prevent abuses.
If you did that at the same time as insisting on investment funds and full employment for each member state as an EU aim, and if we had the power to tax unused capital and direct it to specific infrastructure, food and energy self-sufficiency projects etc, then migration would almost disappear, because most people do not want to shift from one end of the continent to the other for work. They would rather build their own country.
Ooh, I remember those days, and not with affection either. You have my sympathy.refitman wrote:Try working in retail. We start thinking about Christmas in March!RobertSnozers wrote:That's been one of my bugbears for many years. Christmas is a 12-day festival that starts on the 25th. It doesn't start to gather momentum in October and cut off after tea on Boxing Day. Little depresses me more than having to go back to work well before 12th Night already thoroughly sick of everything festive. I'm not a practising Christian - just 'culturally CofE'. In my house, Christmas doesn't start until the first playing of Fairytale of New York on 7" vinyl. I'm old fashioned like that.adam wrote: They're Schrödinger's immigrants!
Is it me or is "Black Friday" on this scale something completely new (and rubbish) to us this year? If the stores insist on trying this on, can they also do the American thing of being banned from starting Christmas until today (or ideally until when Christmas actually starts, on Christmas Eve. After it's got dark.)