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Festive picture needed again. Not sure it's this one though ...
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ErnstRemarx wrote:Thanks all.

Now having hijacked the (admittedly quiet) thread, back to normal programming!

Seen this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ng-regions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes. And this dog end voter certainly isn't feeling the lurve for them.
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Danny Alexander announces that the Government are going to use taxpayers money to build houses on public land for sale.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... -alexander" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:Thanks all.

Now having hijacked the (admittedly quiet) thread, back to normal programming!

Seen this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ng-regions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes. And this dog end voter certainly isn't feeling the lurve for them.
Just remember that every dog has his day... and that day is Election Day.
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Tories planning something for after tomorrow's Autumn Statement that requires a three-line whip.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... statement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Spacedone wrote:Tories planning something for after tomorrow's Autumn Statement that requires a three-line whip.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... statement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Devious boggers.
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yahyah wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Tories planning something for after tomorrow's Autumn Statement that requires a three-line whip.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... statement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Devious boggers.
They would like to think they are ... but this trap has been flagged up for quite a while now. And even some of the right wing bloggers / commentators are taking a dim view of these political shenanigans ... recognising that it's purely about the political entrapment and capital that can be made of Labour not supporting such a vote ... because you can't bind future governments in such a way. What a waste of time and resources - our 'taxypayers' paid for time and resources. Seems to something that Tories know how to do best - wasting things.
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Bloody Guardian.

Just reading the political Christmas card article and under this pic the caption is
'Ed looks almost normal' and that's also written in the piece by Lauren Cochrane.

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Maria Eagle MP ‏@meaglemp 19m19 minutes ago
Communities won't buy David Cameron's spin on #flooddefences He cut 10% in real terms, 20% from flood maintenance http://tinyurl.com/lonesrt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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yahyah wrote:Bloody Guardian.

Just reading the political Christmas card article and under this pic the caption is
'Ed looks almost normal' and that's also written in the piece by Lauren Cochrane.

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Does she mean less Jewish?
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2nd of Leaders Live debates is on now. Nigel Farage answering questions ....

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-12-02/lead ... questions/
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Next week the Leaders Live debate will be with Ed Miliband.

He'll be answering questions on / speaking about Jobs, Health and Democracy.

And the public can choose a 4th topic. http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Sarah Wollaston MP ‏@drwollastonmp 14h14 hours ago
If the Scottish Parliament are giving us Salmond, can we give them Gordon Brown?

Diane Abbott MP ‏@HackneyAbbott 28m28 minutes ago
.@drwollastonmp that is, for sure, a bad deal for us..
Particularly graceless remark and timing from Wollaston.
Wollaston's tweets yesterday were rather odd. She was either in a bad mood, taking it out on all & sundry and posting things she now regrets; or the mask slipped and we saw the real Sarah Wollaston, in which case she was trolling, pure & simple - Dr Sarah Trollaston MP?
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From a poster on another board re Gove's A level reforms. Someone's got a nice mess heading their way.
What is becoming increasingly clear is that University entrance in 2017 is likely to be chaotic, with some students on new A levels some on legacy syllabuses and some with stand alone AS and some with integral AS. And of course individual students may have a combination of all of these. Cambridge University and I think the Russell group are advising that students should take the new AS as well as the new A level, in order to strengthen applications which will typically result in a 50% increase in the number of exam papers pupils are taking.

One possible outcome of all of this is that more Universities will be tempted to set their own entrance exams in order to save them the problem of resolving the horrendous complexity they could be faced with when selecting potential students. If this were to the case it would be likely to further play into the hands of the public school educated pupils and would be a serious blow to the credibility of A level exams. Is this what the great man intended - I doubt it.
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Good luck to Ernst.

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rebeccariots2 wrote:Next week the Leaders Live debate will be with Ed Miliband.

He'll be answering questions on / speaking about Jobs, Health and Democracy.

And the public can choose a 4th topic. http://bitetheballot.co.uk/leaders-live/
Democracy? Wonder if there'll be a load of "what about England, eh?"
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ErnstRemarx wrote:Thanks all.

Now having hijacked the (admittedly quiet) thread, back to normal programming!

Seen this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ng-regions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Good luck, Ernst!
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Sarah Wollaston MP ‏@drwollastonmp 14h14 hours ago
If the Scottish Parliament are giving us Salmond, can we give them Gordon Brown?

Diane Abbott MP ‏@HackneyAbbott 28m28 minutes ago
.@drwollastonmp that is, for sure, a bad deal for us..
Particularly graceless remark and timing from Wollaston.
Wollaston's tweets yesterday were rather odd. She was either in a bad mood, taking it out on all & sundry and posting things she now regrets; or the mask slipped and we saw the real Sarah Wollaston, in which case she was trolling, pure & simple - Dr Sarah Trollaston MP?
Yeah, it's been bothering me too. Very comfortable Tory seat in Totnes - that's the first thing I think when an elected person exposes themselves as unrepentantly rude - how do the people who voted for them feel about it, what's going on in their area?
The current MP, Sarah Wollaston, is unusual in having been selected in a true open primary with a postal ballot open to all electors.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/totnes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Her communications lately haven't been professional or helpful. Divisive & ugly is what they are.
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A propos of nothing, the man who wrote this in 2003 is still doing extremely well for himself.
This is not another Suez crisis, for the obvious and straightforward reasons that the west is not today trying to recapture anything for itself, that Egypt posed no military threat to the Nato allies in 1956 and that the British government is pursuing its ends openly through the UN, at least initially, rather than through collusion. Moreover, the people of Egypt were fully in support of Nasser, whereas the moment a US-led invasion of Iraq is successful, the full extent of the Iraqi people's fear and hatred of Saddam will immediately become evident.

No, the situation is far closer to the late 1930s, when a fascist dictator stealthily acquired weapons of mass destruction - the Luftwaffe's bombing arm - and attempted to acquire nuclear weapons, too. That totalitarian dictator later invaded his neighbour (as Saddam did), gassed his political and racial enemies (as Saddam has) and brutalised and tortured his own people (as Saddam does.) The League of Nations, on the morning after Poland was invaded, had on its urgent agenda the standardisation of European railway gauges. Today's United Nations is fast shaping up to be equally ineffectual.

In the face of a danger that the left, the Church of England, much of the establishment, the press and the French denied really existed, a lone voice told the truth unashamedly again and again until events forced the rest of the nation to listen. This brave politician faced public obloquy and collapsing political popularity, until he was proved right, when he became the most popular prime minister in recent memory. For Churchill, this apotheosis came in 1940; for Tony Blair, it will come when Iraq is successfully invaded and hundreds of weapons of mass destruction are unearthed from where they have been hidden by Saddam's henchmen.

Rarely in history are we allowed quite so exact a template as we have been given militarily by what happened in the Gulf in 1990-91, and politically by what happened in Europe in the 1930s. But this time, were the west not to act and Saddam eventually to build nuclear bombs, he would have more destructive capacity even than did Hitler.
Andrew Roberts.

Love the way he says "the left" opposing Churchill, but not "the right" (who he calls the establishment).
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Had to go to the dentist again today. Suddenly looked around and noticed how appallingly short of decent shops we are in that part of the town centre. Opposite them is a Money Shop, a Bookies, a takeaway and another bookies. To the side a small betting shop with gaming machines and in the small square, one large empty Mothercare store, two empty shops and two temporary Christmas shops. And they haven't even bothered to put a Christmas tree up.
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citizenJA wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: Particularly graceless remark and timing from Wollaston.
Wollaston's tweets yesterday were rather odd. She was either in a bad mood, taking it out on all & sundry and posting things she now regrets; or the mask slipped and we saw the real Sarah Wollaston, in which case she was trolling, pure & simple - Dr Sarah Trollaston MP?
Yeah, it's been bothering me too. Very comfortable Tory seat in Totnes - that's the first thing I think when an elected person exposes themselves as unrepentantly rude - how do the people who voted for them feel about it, what's going on in their area?
The current MP, Sarah Wollaston, is unusual in having been selected in a true open primary with a postal ballot open to all electors.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/totnes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Her communications lately haven't been professional or helpful. Divisive & ugly is what they are.
The Tory party is heading towards a spectacular crash, and I think their MPs know it. The gravy train is about to end. Basically they can't be bothered to put a front on any more.
Interesting though to see what they really think of us although I've never had any illusions about that.
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ohsocynical wrote:Had to go to the dentist again today. Suddenly looked around and noticed how appallingly short of decent shops we are in that part of the town centre. Opposite them is a Money Shop, a Bookies, a takeaway and another bookies. To the side a small betting shop with gaming machines and in the small square, one large empty Mothercare store, two empty shops and two temporary Christmas shops. And they haven't even bothered to put a Christmas tree up.
How depressing Ohso. Seems Christmas isn't going to be about fostering any feelgood festive factor by the traders there - sounds like almost a total absence of Christmas spirit - just about the money, money, money.

Black Friday was so aptly named. One of the blackest things to have been introduced here. Horrible.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Had to go to the dentist again today. Suddenly looked around and noticed how appallingly short of decent shops we are in that part of the town centre. Opposite them is a Money Shop, a Bookies, a takeaway and another bookies. To the side a small betting shop with gaming machines and in the small square, one large empty Mothercare store, two empty shops and two temporary Christmas shops. And they haven't even bothered to put a Christmas tree up.
How depressing Ohso. Seems Christmas isn't going to be about fostering any feelgood festive factor by the traders there - sounds like almost a total absence of Christmas spirit - just about the money, money, money.

Black Friday was so aptly named. One of the blackest things to have been introduced here. Horrible.
Black Friday in the USA is crass & a sickening post-Thanksgiving horror show - people consume plastic products with plastic funds & weep in frustration in plastic cars stuck in traffic.

I've written this before not long ago here that I'm baffled by why "Black Friday" (originally meant retailers finally made their profit within a few days late in the year - putting red-inked accounts into the black) has been so unceremoniously dumped into the UK - it's a bad name & it's frightening to be encouraged to spend money on command.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Had to go to the dentist again today. Suddenly looked around and noticed how appallingly short of decent shops we are in that part of the town centre. Opposite them is a Money Shop, a Bookies, a takeaway and another bookies. To the side a small betting shop with gaming machines and in the small square, one large empty Mothercare store, two empty shops and two temporary Christmas shops. And they haven't even bothered to put a Christmas tree up.
How depressing Ohso. Seems Christmas isn't going to be about fostering any feelgood festive factor by the traders there - sounds like almost a total absence of Christmas spirit - just about the money, money, money.

Black Friday was so aptly named. One of the blackest things to have been introduced here. Horrible.
I think I must have an awkward gene because I've never shopped on a Sunday, let alone on a day cynically contrived by and now imported from the US. I don't do Father's day either for the same reason.
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Ohso, please excuse me for neglecting to mention my dismay your area, like mine, doesn't look particularly festive in the shopping sectors. The same kind of dismal shops continue to predominate. I'm very sorry for this.
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Tory MP: we have no need to attract ‘dog-end voters in the outlying regions’
Mark Garnier, Conservative MP for Wyre Forest, caught on tape making comments at the Institute of Economic Affairs thinktank
Come say that to my face, you infamous scoundrel.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
yahyah wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Tories planning something for after tomorrow's Autumn Statement that requires a three-line whip.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... statement/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Devious boggers.
They would like to think they are ... but this trap has been flagged up for quite a while now. And even some of the right wing bloggers / commentators are taking a dim view of these political shenanigans ... recognising that it's purely about the political entrapment and capital that can be made of Labour not supporting such a vote ... because you can't bind future governments in such a way. What a waste of time and resources - our 'taxypayers' paid for time and resources. Seems to something that Tories know how to do best - wasting things.
Miliband should tell his MPs to go home and let the result of 300-odd to zero be given to an empty Commons.
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citizenJA wrote:Ohso, please excuse me for neglecting to mention my dismay your area, like mine, doesn't look particularly festive in the shopping sectors. The same kind of dismal shops continue to predominate. I'm very sorry for this.
We are supposed to be getting a new town centre, it's taken fifteen years to get to this point. Many of the shops wanted to stay until Christmas but the council moved them out and began demolishing but they didn't need to.
The town square is decimated, and all we have left is a very small supposed to be exclusive mall with more empty shops a Sainsbury's, a WHSmith, and - a Poundland.
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http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/wyreforest/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I hope he loses his seat.
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Interesting...

Iranian jets join allies in the fight against Islamic State in Iraq

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Iraq.html
British, American and other allied forces are now fighting directly alongside their former rivals Iran, according to new footage of the war in Iraq.

An Iranian jet has been filmed for the first time bombing positions of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), during a battle for the town of Saadiya, north-east of Baghdad.

United State Air Force jets have been flying missions over Iraq since August, and the RAF since September.

Iranian advisers are known to have been embedded with the Iraqi army and militia forces fighting Isil. But this is the first proof that the Islamic Republic and the countries it famously termed the “Great and Little Satan” - America and Britain - are taking part in missions on the same side.
Mad Mel must be furious...
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ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Ohso, please excuse me for neglecting to mention my dismay your area, like mine, doesn't look particularly festive in the shopping sectors. The same kind of dismal shops continue to predominate. I'm very sorry for this.
We are supposed to be getting a new town centre, it's taken fifteen years to get to this point. Many of the shops wanted to stay until Christmas but the council moved them out and began demolishing but they didn't need to.
The town square is decimated, and all we have left is a very small supposed to be exclusive mall with more empty shops a Sainsbury's, a WHSmith, and - a Poundland.
Sounds a right depressing state of affairs.
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Community Links charity reports into cumultative impact of social security reforms in Newham and what a better system may look like.

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Labour accused of foul play over immigration polling
Conservatives say opposition advert guilty of ‘push polling’ - using apparently innocuous poll to promote its message


Nicholas Watt, chief political correspondent
The Guardian, Tuesday 2 December 2014

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ling-crewe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nadhim Zahawi, the Conservative MP who co-founded the YouGov polling company, said an advertisement for a public meeting involving David Hanson, the shadow immigration minister, had “the smell of push polling”.

Zahawi spoke after Labour published an advertisement for a meeting in Crewe on Wednesday with Hanson and Dr Adrian Heald, the party’s local prospective parliamentary candidate, which features four pointed questions about immigration.

The questions were:

• Does immigration benefit or cost the economy?

• Is there an increase in pressure on public services?

• To what extent does immigration change our communities and what do local people think about these changes?

• How does a community like Crewe & Nantwich embrace cultural diversity?

The advertisement concludes with the words: “Labour has set out a new approach to control immigration and control the impacts from immigration from local communities. Britain needs immigration rules that are tough and fair.”

Zahawi said the questions amounted to push polling – the tactic in which a political party uses an apparently innocuous poll to promote its message.
Was a poll actually taken, you Tory horse stables heater on the taxpayer's dime? That doesn't seem to be the case, does it? It was a meeting. Will nothing end the grotesque projection from people choosing to align themselves with sloppy Lords making a mess of their own data & the conclusions they've been forced to retract due to those egregious mistakes?
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Anyone know how an advertisement for a (public) meeting can possibly be called "Push Polling" ???

Labour accused of foul play over immigration polling
Conservatives say opposition advert guilty of ‘push polling’ - using apparently innocuous poll to promote its message
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ling-crewe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Snap CJA :) lol
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citizenJA wrote:http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/2015guide/wyreforest/

I hope he loses his seat.
Well given his seat is a prime example of a dog end constituency he hasn't done himself any favours.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Interesting...

Iranian jets join allies in the fight against Islamic State in Iraq

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Iraq.html
British, American and other allied forces are now fighting directly alongside their former rivals Iran, according to new footage of the war in Iraq.

An Iranian jet has been filmed for the first time bombing positions of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil), during a battle for the town of Saadiya, north-east of Baghdad.

United State Air Force jets have been flying missions over Iraq since August, and the RAF since September.

Iranian advisers are known to have been embedded with the Iraqi army and militia forces fighting Isil. But this is the first proof that the Islamic Republic and the countries it famously termed the “Great and Little Satan” - America and Britain - are taking part in missions on the same side.
Mad Mel must be furious...
Being partisan time ...... :D

Throughout the early years of this Coalition government the official position was that Iran should be considered a rogue state with whom negotiation was impossible; in January 2012 William Hague was even going so far as to suggest that military action against Iran, to stop their nuclear programme, could not be ruled out.

So what happened in the (nearly) three years since then to change them from Public Bogeyman Number One to an ally & a country with whom we could work? Step up to the plate Edward Samuel Miliband who changed the game when he prevented Cameron from having his nice little war, which persuaded Obama to change direction; the moment the war option was removed from the table then we, in the form of our Government, had no choice but to start talking to Iran, due to their involvement (by proxy) in the Syrian civil war - and so, here we are, with significant progress being made in talks over Iran's nuclear programmes and with them working with us as an ally, rather than against us as an enemy.

And all because one party leader, ridiculed as being weak, had the principles to stand up to the critics in his own party (including Blair), the the UK Government and to President Obama and say, on behalf of the British people, "No, not this time. This time we need to think & to talk" - to pick up on the Twitter campaign, #CameronMustGo because that is the sort of man we need leading this country, not a man who blows with the prevailing breeze and spends all his time (and our money) appeasing his donors and cronies.

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Re: Tuesday 2nd December 2014

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RogerOThornhill wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
yahyah wrote:
Devious boggers.
They would like to think they are ... but this trap has been flagged up for quite a while now. And even some of the right wing bloggers / commentators are taking a dim view of these political shenanigans ... recognising that it's purely about the political entrapment and capital that can be made of Labour not supporting such a vote ... because you can't bind future governments in such a way. What a waste of time and resources - our 'taxypayers' paid for time and resources. Seems to something that Tories know how to do best - wasting things.
Miliband should tell his MPs to go home and let the result of 300-odd to zero be given to an empty Commons.
Actually Miliband should give them both barrels. Point out Osborne has no credibility on reducing the deficit. Point out that the UK has a welfare state forged in the crucible of World War 2 and Labour will not sacrifice that for the sake of childish ideology. Labour has a more credible plan than the Tories and it should stick to it. If it means the deficit gets eliminated later so we can remain a decent country tough titty.

Now shut the fuck up George adults are talking.
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Re: Tuesday 2nd December 2014

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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: They would like to think they are ... but this trap has been flagged up for quite a while now. And even some of the right wing bloggers / commentators are taking a dim view of these political shenanigans ... recognising that it's purely about the political entrapment and capital that can be made of Labour not supporting such a vote ... because you can't bind future governments in such a way. What a waste of time and resources - our 'taxypayers' paid for time and resources. Seems to something that Tories know how to do best - wasting things.
Miliband should tell his MPs to go home and let the result of 300-odd to zero be given to an empty Commons.
Actually Miliband should give them both barrels. Point out Osborne has no credibility on reducing the deficit. Point out that the UK has a welfare state forged in the crucible of World War 2 and Labour will not sacrifice that for the sake of childish ideology. Labour has a more credible plan than the Tories and it should stick to it. If it means the deficit gets eliminated later so we can remain a decent country tough titty.

Now shut the fuck up George adults are talking.
I just hope he gets the dose right tomorrow.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. – Aesop
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Re: Tuesday 2nd December 2014

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I really can't understand why increased Green membership is particularly bad for Labour.

My hunch is there will be more former LibDems there than former (recent) Labour. Despite being a Labour member myself, I'm pleased to see another party of the "left" doing well. Good luck to them. Well mostly :twisted:
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frightful_oik wrote:Has this been posted yet?
http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5026/ ... 9N.twitter
Can he get put in jail now & be made to pay what restitution it's in his power to give?
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Re: Tuesday 2nd December 2014

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I really can't understand why increased Green membership is particularly bad for Labour.

My hunch is there will be more former LibDems there than former (recent) Labour. Despite being a Labour member myself, I'm pleased to see another party of the "left" doing well. Good luck to them. Well mostly :twisted:
You & I are in agreement, Paul. I'm a friend of the Green party & I belong to the Labour party. I look forward to the policies of both uniting to make both stronger. I mean that. It can happen.
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Re: Tuesday 2nd December 2014

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Jeez. I wander across to The Guardian & come across this pile of shite:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ories-ukip
Osborne is a more nuanced figure. Unlike the prime minister, he is intellectually engaged in the question of how the liberal impulses behind the original modernisation mission can be merged with the challenge of reaching voters left behind by globalisation.
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danesclose wrote:
Osborne is a more nuanced figure. Unlike the prime minister, he is intellectually engaged in the question of how the liberal impulses behind the original modernisation mission can be merged with the challenge of reaching voters left behind by globalisation.
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diGriz wrote:
danesclose wrote:
Osborne is a more nuanced figure. Unlike the prime minister, he is intellectually engaged in the question of how the liberal impulses behind the original modernisation mission can be merged with the challenge of reaching voters left behind by globalisation.
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Has there been any speculation in the media on Osborne's 'state'?
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ohsocynical wrote:
diGriz wrote:
danesclose wrote:
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Has there been any speculation in the media on Osborne's 'state'?
The silence has been deafening.
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He's not sodding "nuanced". He reckons he can get away with counting a rebate he was due anyway as a reduction in a surcharge he said he wasn't going to pay, but did.

He reckons he can con us with new money for the NHS, when it isn't new.

Etc. etc. he's a transparent charlatan like Dave, Nick and the rest.

Oh and didn't he recommend Coulson for the job with Dave?
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Re: Tuesday 2nd December 2014

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Still not work the insert out....
Little Gideon vs Marley's Ghost

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I don't normally retweet partisan Tweets on FTN's behalf, but I hope everyone will forgive me for retweeting Wirral West Labour's campaign to unseat Esther McVey :twisted:
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