Tuesday 14th June 2022

[refitman]

Morning all.

[gilsey]

Good morning.


FI, most of the cost-of-living-crisis/employment reporting at the G is in Business Live rather than Politics Live, there's quite a bit today on the latest ONS jobs figures.
I expect you already knew that, but just in case.

Workers face ‘year of pain’ as real wages fall at fastest rate in 20 years – business live

[AnatolyKasparov]

But......we were told that Brexit would make our pay packets boom!

[frog222]

@gilsey --- re 'unemployment' figures, that declining workforce --

"" There are still nearly 450,000 more people neither working or looking for work than before the pandemic, despite a small drop in economic inactivity in April.
That includes 225,000 more people with long-term sickness, ** and 26,000 temporarily ill. ""

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... aa78d9b258



** Over here my daughter and a physio friend both with Long Covid would not show up in the unemployment figures, because they are down to part-time working . Which can still be a struggle.
Of course there must be some with longterm sickness particularly because the NHS hasn't been treating them for two years.

[AnatolyKasparov]

And of course some with Long Covid will still be working full time, somehow.

[gilsey]

But......we were told that Brexit would make our pay packets boom!

The bankers bonuses and the footsie fat cats packages are booming.

[gilsey]

@gilsey --- re 'unemployment' figures, that declining workforce --

"" There are still nearly 450,000 more people neither working or looking for work than before the pandemic, despite a small drop in economic inactivity in April.
That includes 225,000 more people with long-term sickness, ** and 26,000 temporarily ill. ""


** Over here my daughter and a physio friend both with Long Covid would not show up in the unemployment figures, because they are down to part-time working . Which can still be a struggle.
Of course there must be some with longterm sickness particularly because the NHS hasn't been treating them for two years.

Plenty of commentators mentioning long Covid, but still not seen anyone pointing to that 6m NHS waiting list.

Past time that people started demanding a timescale from Javid/Sunak/Johnson, when is this NI increase you brought in to help the NHS tackle the backlog going to have some effect?
So far all we've got from Javid is, it'll get worse before it gets better.

FTAOD, I have no expectation that the extra funding will help, it might stop it getting too much worse, depending on how much of it gets creamed off by the private sector.

[AnatolyKasparov]

How many people will ultimately be going on this one way trip to Rwanda?

[frog222]

And of course some with Long Covid will still be working full time, somehow.

[frog222]

And of course some with Long Covid will still be working full time, somehow.

Long Covid is a spectrum ranging from those with minor symptoms who can work with no problem to those who are bedridden .

The two cases I know spent months unable to work, but are now improved .

[PorFavor]

Good morfternoon.

Boris Johnson has floated the prospect of the UK pulling out of the European convention on human rights if that turns out to be necessary to allow the Rwanda deportation policy to continue, the Mail’s Jason Groves reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Surely Keir Starmer has something to say about this, even if he apparently has nothing to say about all the other alarming things that this Government is either doing or is prepared to contemplate doing?

[Sky'sGoneOut]

For anyone wondering about Mr Justice Swift who's refusing these appeals against being sent to Rwanda, he was the same judge who ruled against legacy benefit claimants getting the £20 uplift. According to the guys who brought that case their hearts sank when their lawyers told them he was the most government friendly, conservative high court judge in the country so they were very likely to lose.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

As a bit of light relief here's Trump's ambassador to Denmark claiming the Danes cycle a lot and catch trains because they can't afford to drive cars.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Good morfternoon.

Boris Johnson has floated the prospect of the UK pulling out of the European convention on human rights if that turns out to be necessary to allow the Rwanda deportation policy to continue, the Mail’s Jason Groves reports. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Surely Keir Starmer has something to say about this, even if he apparently has nothing to say about all the other alarming things that this Government is either doing or is prepared to contemplate doing?

Tbf if he decided to rebut every bit of half-baked nonsense that issues from the PM's mouth he would have pretty much no time for anything else.

[PorFavor]

"Anything else"? Such as?

Stop calling me boring, Keir Starmer tells shadow cabinet (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ow-cabinet

[Sky'sGoneOut]

Stung by a series of negative stories about his leadership, Starmer angrily urged colleagues at Tuesday’s shadow cabinet meeting to focus on the job in hand, telling them it was “boring” to undermine Labour’s project of getting back into government.

Several of those around the table then echoed their leader’s calls for unity and discretion, in a lengthy exchange described by one shadow frontbencher as “ironically very boring”.

[PorFavor]

Highlights from the Leader's speech, Labour Party Annual Conference, 2022-

[PorFavor]

22m ago
19.33
First Rwanda flight could be grounded after late ECHR intervention

The European court of human rights has made a dramatic 11th-hour intervention into the government’s controversial plans to send asylum seekers to Rwanda that could ground the inaugural flight to the east African nation.

Lawyers for one of the asylum seekers due to fly at around 9.30pm have made a successful emergency application to the ECHR after exhausting applications to UK courts. (Politics Live, Guardian)

[AnatolyKasparov]

Highlights from the Leader's speech, Labour Party Annual Conference, 2022-

Corbyn could of course have done that and got a standing ovation from his fans nonetheless

[PorFavor]

True.

[refitman]

Stung by a series of negative stories about his leadership, Starmer angrily urged colleagues at Tuesday’s shadow cabinet meeting to focus on the job in hand, telling them it was “boring” to undermine Labour’s project of getting back into government.

Several of those around the table then echoed their leader’s calls for unity and discretion, in a lengthy exchange described by one shadow frontbencher as “ironically very boring”.

Here's a wild and cRaZy idea. Why don't they try some of those things political parties are meant to have...you know...policies (that's the fella). Maybe give the public something to actually get interested in?

[refitman]

[PorFavor]

Sky (Breaking) News reports that the flight to Rwanda will not now be leaving tonight owing to intervention by the ECHR.

[gilsey]

PA understands that the appeals were considered by an out of hours judge on papers, overruling the UK rulings.

It is believed that at the present time there is not a route for the Home Office to appeal against the decision.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

I somehow doubt this rancid government will be unhappy about that.

[AnatolyKasparov]

A reminder - since it was set up the only countries to leave the jurisdiction of the ECHR have been:

1) Greece in 1967, following the seizure of power by a bloodthirsty military dictatorship;

2) Russia very recently, following.......well, you know.

Tory MPs and their hireling hacks who advocate this course of action simply should be asked if they see these as good role models to follow.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

Respecting the human rights treaties we're signed up to (including the ECHR) is part of the brexit trade deal Johnson signed.

https://eulawanalysis.blogspot.com/2021 ... ights.html

1. The Parties shall continue to uphold the shared values and principles of democracy, the rule of law, and respect for human rights, which underpin their domestic and international policies. In that regard, the Parties reaffirm their respect for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the international human rights treaties to which they are parties.

Any backsliding on that would give the EU the legal right to terminate or suspend the entire deal.

Whether they would do that or not, who knows? But the UK can't simply walk away from the ECHR without serious consequences.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

Superb.