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Re: Monday 8th December 2014

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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:I've been having some fun at the expense of a slippery Kipper who tried to tell us:
I believe the UK is the most congested country in Europe.
Except that it isn't - Belgium and Netherlands are ahead of us. So...
I don't think so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7618994.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The piece quotes ONS figures and that was in 2008!
The link goes to a story headed...England 'most crowded in Europe'

Funny thing...when I pointed out that he'd started with the UK and then switched to England there was a deafening silence.
TBH Rog, to somebody like that England is the UK, the others parts are mere decoration. That is why you can't argue with them, they're always on a different page to you (usually one with small words & lots of pictures).
Yeah but the trouble is that MigrationWatch are past masters of doing that too...and they're far more dangerous having this air of being 'experts;.

I notice now they have on their sidebar:
England (not the UK) is the second most crowded country in Europe, after the Netherlands, excluding island and city states.
They didn't use to be so explicit about the confusion...they got called out on it a while back.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Just in from an email
This booklet represents a summary of some of the key policies developed
through Labour’s policy making process, Agenda 2015, and agreed as
part of Labour’s policy programme by the National Policy Forum and
Annual Conference 2014. To read Labour’s policy programme in full visit
yourbritain.org.uk/agenda-2015/npf-annual-report-2014.

Skimmed not read yet but looking good!
http://b.3cdn.net/labouruk/414e1ab67632 ... 6bflfq.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
LABOUR WILL:
• Give 16 and 17 year olds the vote.
• Repeal the Lobbying Act, and create a statutory register of
lobbyists.
• Take the big money out of politics by capping individual
donations to parties.
• Replace the House of Lords with a Senate of the Nations and
Regions.
• Pass an English Devolution Act, handing £30 billion of
resources, and powers over skills, transport, economic
development to city and county regions.
• Implement the Smith Commission’s package of further
devolution to Scotland.
• Put devolution to Wales on a stronger statutory basis, as in
Scotland.
• Reform the Commons to better hold the Government to
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Re: Monday 8th December 2014

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AngryAsWell wrote:Just in from an email
This booklet represents a summary of some of the key policies developed
through Labour’s policy making process, Agenda 2015, and agreed as
part of Labour’s policy programme by the National Policy Forum and
Annual Conference 2014. To read Labour’s policy programme in full visit
yourbritain.org.uk/agenda-2015/npf-annual-report-2014.

Skimmed not read yet but looking good!
http://b.3cdn.net/labouruk/414e1ab67632 ... 6bflfq.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And a quote from Ed
For me, everything starts with this: our country is currently set up only to work for a privileged few at the top. It’s time to level the playing field so it works for us all.
Rest of it here...
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Those are my values. They’re why I want to be your prime minister, and why I believe our country needs a Labour government
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Mail headline for tomorrow is "Now we're importing brickies - on £1,000 a week!"

Wonder how many apprentices jobs these firms used to offer and how many they do now?

It's the schools innit - they don't teach them how to do precisely what we want any longer...
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AngryAsWell wrote: Those are my values. They’re why I want to be your prime minister, and why I believe our country needs a Labour government
Whereas with Cameron it's "These are my values. If you don't like them, well, I have others".

With apologies to Grouch Marx...
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan ;-)

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo
Fame at last. :lol:

Possibly indicates having different 'rolling' fortnightly hashtags is the way to go? I look forward to the final one.

CameronIsGoing :wink:
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:I've been having some fun at the expense of a slippery Kipper who tried to tell us:
I believe the UK is the most congested country in Europe.
Except that it isn't - Belgium and Netherlands are ahead of us. So...
I don't think so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7618994.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The piece quotes ONS figures and that was in 2008!
The link goes to a story headed...England 'most crowded in Europe'

Funny thing...when I pointed out that he'd started with the UK and then switched to England there was a deafening silence.
TBH Rog, to somebody like that England is the UK, the others parts are mere decoration. That is why you can't argue with them, they're always on a different page to you (usually one with small words & lots of pictures).
For every one person who won't listen to the truth, there's many who'll read Roger's posts & learn something from it; something that challenges what's usually said & they follow the links & discover the truth.

Don't underestimate yourself, TGS; your writing on threads helps me learn what I may not find out if you or Roger or our other friends don't write for me & others to read. Thank you.
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StephenDolan wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan ;-)

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo
Fame at last. :lol:

Possibly indicates having different 'rolling' fortnightly hashtags is the way to go? I look forward to the final one.

CameronIsGoing :wink:

Hurrah!

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LABOUR WILL:
• Introduce a strict cap on annual rail fare increases across all
routes.
• Legislate so a public sector operator can take on lines and
challenge private train operating companies on a level playing
field.
• Devolve regional transport decision making so that areas can
bring together trains, buses, ferries and trams into a single
network with smart-ticketing.
• Give city and county regions London-style powers to regulate
bus services.
• Make cycling safer and more accessible with national
standards to reduce deaths and serious injuries.

http://b.3cdn.net/labouruk/414e1ab67632 ... 6bflfq.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay, this is brilliant. I'm encouraged. I started the day loving people. I've read some tragic information about current government in various places published by the Archbishop of Canterbury, anonymous bloggers posting into the darkness & the DWP, to name a few. I watched Ed Miliband & the young people explain to each other their concerns. AngryAsWell reminded me to check my e-mail to discover the Labour document I've posted from above. I'll go to sleep loving people.
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£10 million in fees annually to pay for tendering specialists in the NHS, Ed Miliband said tonight on that live broadcast. He wants that to stop. The NHS shouldn't be spending that kind of money to satisfy a competition rule brought in by current government, he said. Miliband is going to bin current government's Health & Social Care Act 2012. I'm glad.
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citizenJA wrote:LABOUR WILL:
• Introduce a strict cap on annual rail fare increases across all
routes.
• Legislate so a public sector operator can take on lines and
challenge private train operating companies on a level playing
field.
• Devolve regional transport decision making so that areas can
bring together trains, buses, ferries and trams into a single
network with smart-ticketing.
• Give city and county regions London-style powers to regulate
bus services.
• Make cycling safer and more accessible with national
standards to reduce deaths and serious injuries.

http://b.3cdn.net/labouruk/414e1ab67632 ... 6bflfq.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Okay, this is brilliant. I'm encouraged. I started the day loving people. I've read some tragic information about current government in various places published by the Archbishop of Canterbury, anonymous bloggers posting into the darkness & the DWP, to name a few. I watched Ed Miliband & the young people explain to each other their concerns. AngryAsWell reminded me to check my e-mail to discover the Labour document I've posted from above. I'll go to sleep loving people.
Great bedtime reading. Call me naive but it fills me with hope for life post GE.
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Talking of transport...poor Guido, he's getting a lesson in UKIP populism.

Earlier in the day he was saying "there is no alternative to privately run railways...unless you shut them down. Can't possibly have state run". But now look.
UKIP’s flirtation with hard left-wing radicalism continues with force. This afternoon the party’s Financial Affairs spokesman Steven Woolfe has said in an interview with the New Statesman that he is open to the idea of renationalising the railways:

“There’s an argument, in some ways, for saying that one could renationalise the railways. If you look at the French and the German nationalised railways, they’re actually here, acting like private companies. So why is it that they’re able to make successful businesses, which work on a capitalist method of being able to acquire and buy railways, and we’re not? Why is it that we seem hamstrung to be able to trust our own business people to get involved in some form of nationalisation or a co-operative? I do think that we should be considering, and there should be an open debate at the moment, whether we should have nationalisation or through an organisation like a co-op.”

On the left-right battle in UKIP, Woolfe insists:

“Patrick [O’Flynn] is certainly alongside myself in that we recognise that there is a huge number of people who have not benefited from the growth. If that makes us left-wing then so be it.”

A cynic might say this is blatant populism, with polls now showing there is public support for nationalisation. As Guido wrote this morning, people forget how truly abysmal the railways were when they were nationalised and called British Rail…
:clap:

Wonder what the ex-Tories are going to make of this? Free marketeers being asked to back renationalisation?
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StephenDolan wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan ;-)

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo
Fame at last. :lol:

Possibly indicates having different 'rolling' fortnightly hashtags is the way to go? I look forward to the final one.

CameronIsGoing :wink:
My own thinking in a nutshell. If we accept (and I don't, I suspect political interference to bring about the current changes) that trending can only occur for two weeks - risible, but stick with me - then the obvious inference is that the same message backed up with factual tweets, but under a different hashtag is the way to go. So think of one. I rather like:

#ByeByeCameron

as it sort of fulfills the tickbox of 'contempt'.

Other suggestions to ensure that that mendacious, bacon faced cypher of a man is sent packing in May are hereby solicited.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Just in from an email
This booklet represents a summary of some of the key policies developed
through Labour’s policy making process, Agenda 2015, and agreed as
part of Labour’s policy programme by the National Policy Forum and
Annual Conference 2014. To read Labour’s policy programme in full visit
yourbritain.org.uk/agenda-2015/npf-annual-report-2014.

Skimmed not read yet but looking good!
http://b.3cdn.net/labouruk/414e1ab67632 ... 6bflfq.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Have read this in an earlier form, ther is quite a lot of detail that is pleasing, and real substational commitments too. I would have liked to see more on equalities as this is an area that has borne the brunt of tory policy, in every way. Still there's enough there to answer a lot of peoples questions.

I watched Ed on YouTube, thought he came over well, but would love to see him let his hair down, and relax, when he does so he is the opposite of everything he's been labelled with, and I think it would make a huge difference to how the country perceives him, he looks and sounds a lot more honest than the other leaders and when he relaxes he really is very likeable and comes over as genuine.
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ErnstRemarx wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan ;-)

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo
Fame at last. :lol:

Possibly indicates having different 'rolling' fortnightly hashtags is the way to go? I look forward to the final one.

CameronIsGoing :wink:
My own thinking in a nutshell. If we accept (and I don't, I suspect political interference to bring about the current changes) that trending can only occur for two weeks - risible, but stick with me - then the obvious inference is that the same message backed up with factual tweets, but under a different hashtag is the way to go. So think of one. I rather like:

#ByeByeCameron

as it sort of fulfills the tickbox of 'contempt'.

Other suggestions to ensure that that mendacious, bacon faced cypher of a man is sent packing in May are hereby solicited.
I suggested rolling hashtags - changing on a 2 weekly basis - up thread. I started with #CameronHasToGo - like the progressions we could have on that ... and love CameronIsGoing ... even better will be DingDongCameronIsGone. But Paul seemed to put the mockers on this wheeze - saying Ohso's earlier post re Twitter rules on repeating subjects etc meant it wouldn't get past the reporters and algorithms. I'm just a duffer with these things ... but I still think it's worth a go.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:
StephenDolan wrote: Fame at last. :lol:

Possibly indicates having different 'rolling' fortnightly hashtags is the way to go? I look forward to the final one.

CameronIsGoing :wink:
My own thinking in a nutshell. If we accept (and I don't, I suspect political interference to bring about the current changes) that trending can only occur for two weeks - risible, but stick with me - then the obvious inference is that the same message backed up with factual tweets, but under a different hashtag is the way to go. So think of one. I rather like:

#ByeByeCameron

as it sort of fulfills the tickbox of 'contempt'.

Other suggestions to ensure that that mendacious, bacon faced cypher of a man is sent packing in May are hereby solicited.
I suggested rolling hashtags - changing on a 2 weekly basis - up thread. I started with #CameronHasToGo - like the progressions we could have on that ... and love CameronIsGoing ... even better will be DingDongCameronIsGone. But Paul seemed to put the mockers on this wheeze - saying Ohso's earlier post re Twitter rules on repeating subjects etc meant it wouldn't get past the reporters and algorithms. I'm just a duffer with these things ... but I still think it's worth a go.
I have to say I'm dubious about this. If Twitter does have a rule about repeating hashtags, this will get tripped up by it three feet out of the gate, especially if it's made absolutely blatant in the form of #CameronHasToGo.

And at the same time it gives ammunition to the MSM to dismiss it as bullying, and the work of hard-left activists. #YesEd is trending so why not concentrate upon that and, in wo weeks, go back to the other side of the coin with Cameron, but on a slightly differently targeted approach. Box clever, don't sucker ourselves by playing into the clearly scared opposition's hands.
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Just watched (much) of the Miliband leader's debatey thing. I kept thinking why are you hedging? Why aren't you fully embracing these young people? I like him but that didn't do him a lot of favours, unless the other party leaders turn out to be rather worse.

Having probably pissed everyone off, I'll say why. The 'thumb of power' is Folleting, no more no less. Do away with it. All the bloody hand gestures add nothing to the argument. "It's an incredibly important question" - that's why the poor sod asked it! Don't tell them that it's important, they wouldn't have asked if it wasn't inportant to them! AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!

I felt that that performance was not I what wanted to hear from Miliband, and were I young again (hah!), I certainly would have been pushing rather harder if I were in that audience.

There's clearly been too much meeja training in his background. It will not work. I want unvarnished Ed Miliband. I might not like all of it, but I suspect I'll think it better than the one on show earlier.

NB - where policy was announced, it got the thumbs up, I'm talking about different things.
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Otto English @Otto_English · 23m 23 minutes ago
Any party that lets Neil Hamilton have another crack at getting back into parliament is laughing at you Britain. #WakeUp #ukip

Otto English retweeted
Mike Fraser @MIkef45 · 37m 37 minutes ago
Disgraced ex-Tory MP Neil Hamilton in line to make stunning Commons comeback for Ukip http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 11421.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Neil Hamilton, the disgraced former Conservative MP, could be on the verge of a parliamentary comeback at the age of 65 - for Ukip.

The Independent has learnt that the Thatcherite former minister, who lost his Tatton seat after allegations that he took “cash for questions”, has been shortlisted for one of Ukip’s best prospects at next May’s general election. He will go up against four other candidates in South Basildon and East Thurrock on Wednesday night.

Some local Ukip activists are furious, claiming that Mr Hamilton is being “parachuted” into the Essex seat by the party’s London headquarters. It ditched its original candidate, Kerry Smith, in October amid rumours that the plum constituency was being lined up for a “big fish”.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Otto English @Otto_English · 23m 23 minutes ago
Any party that lets Neil Hamilton have another crack at getting back into parliament is laughing at you Britain. #WakeUp #ukip

Otto English retweeted
Mike Fraser @MIkef45 · 37m 37 minutes ago
Disgraced ex-Tory MP Neil Hamilton in line to make stunning Commons comeback for Ukip http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 11421.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Neil Hamilton, the disgraced former Conservative MP, could be on the verge of a parliamentary comeback at the age of 65 - for Ukip.

The Independent has learnt that the Thatcherite former minister, who lost his Tatton seat after allegations that he took “cash for questions”, has been shortlisted for one of Ukip’s best prospects at next May’s general election. He will go up against four other candidates in South Basildon and East Thurrock on Wednesday night.

Some local Ukip activists are furious, claiming that Mr Hamilton is being “parachuted” into the Essex seat by the party’s London headquarters. It ditched its original candidate, Kerry Smith, in October amid rumours that the plum constituency was being lined up for a “big fish”.
Fuck me, they must be desperate. He was shit as our constituency MP. He will simply take the piss if he's selected and elected. He should have a public health warning: "WARNING: THIS MAN IS A COMPLETE ARSEHOLE. AVOID".

Now there's a Twitter thing that would be worthwhile to trend, to ensure that those poor sods in that constituency don't have to put up with that enormous guff ball.
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ErnstRemarx wrote:Just watched (much) of the Miliband leader's debatey thing. I kept thinking why are you hedging? Why aren't you fully embracing these young people? I like him but that didn't do him a lot of favours, unless the other party leaders turn out to be rather worse.

Having probably pissed everyone off, I'll say why. The 'thumb of power' is Folleting, no more no less. Do away with it. All the bloody hand gestures add nothing to the argument. "It's an incredibly important question" - that's why the poor sod asked it! Don't tell them that it's important, they wouldn't have asked if it wasn't inportant to them! AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!

I felt that that performance was not what wanted to hear from Miliband, and were I young again (hah!), I certainly would have been pushing rather harder if I were in that audience.

There'sclearly been to much meeja training in his background. It will not work. I want unvarnished Ed Miliband. I might not like all of it, but I suspect I'll think it better than the one on show earlier.

NB - where policy was announced, it got the thumbs up, I'm talking about different things.
Agree with all of that Ernst. The importance of not saying something is important over and over again is very important. I hope Ed watches it back and sees where he works well and where he doesn't ... There's a lot of good to be built on. But I think you, seeingclearly and I are probably pretty much in agreement - be yourself Ed, strip it all back a bit, forget the stock phrases - enjoy the company and the debate.

On another tack ... I see two of the issues raised have now been featured as post debate news reports / headlines. Votes for 16 and 17 year olds - and buffer zones to protect women attending abortion clinics.
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ErnstRemarx wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Otto English @Otto_English · 23m 23 minutes ago
Any party that lets Neil Hamilton have another crack at getting back into parliament is laughing at you Britain. #WakeUp #ukip

Otto English retweeted
Mike Fraser @MIkef45 · 37m 37 minutes ago
Disgraced ex-Tory MP Neil Hamilton in line to make stunning Commons comeback for Ukip http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 11421.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Neil Hamilton, the disgraced former Conservative MP, could be on the verge of a parliamentary comeback at the age of 65 - for Ukip.

The Independent has learnt that the Thatcherite former minister, who lost his Tatton seat after allegations that he took “cash for questions”, has been shortlisted for one of Ukip’s best prospects at next May’s general election. He will go up against four other candidates in South Basildon and East Thurrock on Wednesday night.

Some local Ukip activists are furious, claiming that Mr Hamilton is being “parachuted” into the Essex seat by the party’s London headquarters. It ditched its original candidate, Kerry Smith, in October amid rumours that the plum constituency was being lined up for a “big fish”.
Fuck me, they must be desperate. He was shit as our constituency MP. He will simply take the piss if he's selected and elected. He should have a public health warning: "WARNING: THIS MAN IS A COMPLETE ARSEHOLE. AVOID".

Now there's a Twitter thing that would be worthwhile to trend, to ensure that those poor sods in that constituency don't have to put up with that enormous guff ball.
They'd better not vote for him then. If they do .... well, they'll only have themselves to blame - he's definitely coming with a warning already attached.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:Just watched (much) of the Miliband leader's debatey thing. I kept thinking why are you hedging? Why aren't you fully embracing these young people? I like him but that didn't do him a lot of favours, unless the other party leaders turn out to be rather worse.

Having probably pissed everyone off, I'll say why. The 'thumb of power' is Folleting, no more no less. Do away with it. All the bloody hand gestures add nothing to the argument. "It's an incredibly important question" - that's why the poor sod asked it! Don't tell them that it's important, they wouldn't have asked if it wasn't inportant to them! AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!

I felt that that performance was not what wanted to hear from Miliband, and were I young again (hah!), I certainly would have been pushing rather harder if I were in that audience.

There'sclearly been to much meeja training in his background. It will not work. I want unvarnished Ed Miliband. I might not like all of it, but I suspect I'll think it better than the one on show earlier.

NB - where policy was announced, it got the thumbs up, I'm talking about different things.
Agree with all of that Ernst. The importance of not saying something is important over and over again is very important. I hope Ed watches it back and sees where he works well and where he doesn't ... There's a lot of good to be built on. But I think you, seeingclearly and I are probably pretty much in agreement - be yourself Ed, strip it all back a bit, forget the stock phrases - enjoy the company and the debate.

On another tack ... I see two of the issues raised have now been featured as post debate news reports / headlines. Votes for 16 and 17 year olds - and buffer zones to protect women attending abortion clinics.
Why not simply say "Yeah, I get that", "That's where I'm going", "It's already in the mix, it'll be law", "Young people simply deserve the vote, it boosts democracy", etc, etc. Christ I've just scripted better responses than I heard this evening.

I'm probably being grumpy, but if I spoke to people locally like that, I'd expect a brush off. I fell into politics by mistake (pushy missus, of course - please assume ironic smiley) and so I find it hard to flannel and impossible to use the prepackaged phrases that piss me off so much. If I can't give an immediate answer, I simply tell punters that I will find out and let them know, that's the promise.

I don't do the Thumb of Power or any of the rest of that shite, which is probably why it's bloody Chuka smoothychops Ummuna sat there gurgling nonsense to a hostile meeja rather than me. No, I correct myself; I wouldn't even try to become an MP with my extreme lefty views. No doubt Region would intervene, bar me and impose a shortlist that disqualified me.

Ah well, 4500 Xmas cards to deliver in the ward before 25th December - oh be still my beating heart.
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ErnstRemarx wrote:Just watched (much) of the Miliband leader's debatey thing. I kept thinking why are you hedging? Why aren't you fully embracing these young people? I like him but that didn't do him a lot of favours, unless the other party leaders turn out to be rather worse.

Having probably pissed everyone off, I'll say why. The 'thumb of power' is Folleting, no more no less. Do away with it. All the bloody hand gestures add nothing to the argument. "It's an incredibly important question" - that's why the poor sod asked it! Don't tell them that it's important, they wouldn't have asked if it wasn't inportant to them! AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!

I felt that that performance was not what wanted to hear from Miliband, and were I young again (hah!), I certainly would have been pushing rather harder if I were in that audience.

There'sclearly been to much meeja training in his background. It will not work. I want unvarnished Ed Miliband. I might not like all of it, but I suspect I'll think it better than the one on show earlier.

NB - where policy was announced, it got the thumbs up, I'm talking about different things.
I noticed he hadn't any pen & paper next to him first thing. Miliband doesn't make promises he can't keep; he gets more guarded when there's greater pressure applied, time running out, the hour going. The time got shorter, the responses more general.

Who did Miliband get his media training from? I'm serious - I want to know specifics - what kind of training or coaching? From who, exactly?

It's been an awful four and a half years - wasted time & too many people hurt by current government. We won't get that time back.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:Just watched (much) of the Miliband leader's debatey thing. I kept thinking why are you hedging? Why aren't you fully embracing these young people? I like him but that didn't do him a lot of favours, unless the other party leaders turn out to be rather worse.

Having probably pissed everyone off, I'll say why. The 'thumb of power' is Folleting, no more no less. Do away with it. All the bloody hand gestures add nothing to the argument. "It's an incredibly important question" - that's why the poor sod asked it! Don't tell them that it's important, they wouldn't have asked if it wasn't inportant to them! AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!

I felt that that performance was not what wanted to hear from Miliband, and were I young again (hah!), I certainly would have been pushing rather harder if I were in that audience.

There'sclearly been to much meeja training in his background. It will not work. I want unvarnished Ed Miliband. I might not like all of it, but I suspect I'll think it better than the one on show earlier.

NB - where policy was announced, it got the thumbs up, I'm talking about different things.
Agree with all of that Ernst. The importance of not saying something is important over and over again is very important. I hope Ed watches it back and sees where he works well and where he doesn't ... There's a lot of good to be built on. But I think you, seeingclearly and I are probably pretty much in agreement - be yourself Ed, strip it all back a bit, forget the stock phrases - enjoy the company and the debate.

On another tack ... I see two of the issues raised have now been featured as post debate news reports / headlines. Votes for 16 and 17 year olds - and buffer zones to protect women attending abortion clinics.
(my bold)

He talked about his parents being asylum-seekers, immigrants to this country far more often than anything else. Did anyone else notice that?
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Have we done this one?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 11371.html

If this is true the Tory party have some amusingly large problems.
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good-night everyone
wonderful conversation
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Statement of the obvious from those dangerous commies the OECD.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... mentpage=1
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