Monday 8th December 2014

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:08 pm

mbc1955 wrote:Has anyone got a link to where I can read just what Peter Jukes has said about 'The Un-Mensch-ionable'?

It's still on the Zelo Street blog. I won't post the link just in case Mensch decides she's going to sue everyone on Earth for saying something not anywhere near as offensive as her usual Twitter output.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:09 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Someone on Twitter just described his Nigelship as "parody human Farage"

I quite like the idea that his name keeps being changed to Garage - as he gives the impression of a used-car salesman, it's quite apt.

Would you buy a policy from this man?

Presumably he deals exclusively with white vans and golf buggies?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:10 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:https://twitter.com/BiteTheBallot
Twitter feed
Ed doing well and looks great
Anyone watching ?

Saw the whole thing. Ed Miliband did very well - no one can ever credibly tell me he's not a genuinely warm person. His intelligence, sensitivity & honesty were all there - the young people were all intelligent & gave Miliband no easy ride in any way.

Loved the self-confessed 'eldest young person flirtation' exchange comments with Miliband!

The young black men made me feel proud - proud of them - proud this country is their home - a nation not utilising the wholesome talents of all the people is damned. I think Miliband understands this profoundly.

These are just a few of my observations off the top of my head. Like I said, I don't watch live (or not live) media very often. It's been years since I've sat through an hour of that kind of thing.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:15 pm

Spacedone wrote:Watching Miliband on Youtube and the comments at the side are distracting me. It's a war between Kippers and everyone else.

I intentionally gave it full screen in order to concentrate.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:18 pm

The last days of the Cameron administration: Part 1 The Gove Delusion
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/nick-cohen ... -delusion/

AAW (I think, sorry if it wasn't) posted a little bit from this piece before. The whole thing is well worth reading. Damning of Cameron, damning of Gove .... and makes a razor sharp observation about how, if Cameron doesn't stop Gove's shenanigans, he may well get the full and very public force of Morgan rounding on him for yet again undermining women in his Cabinet. And, he says, Cameron will actually be surprised - won't have seen it coming or understand why. Damning, utterly damning.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:18 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Someone on Twitter just described his Nigelship as "parody human Farage"

I quite like the idea that his name keeps being changed to Garage - as he gives the impression of a used-car salesman, it's quite apt.

Would you buy a policy from this man?

Alan Shearer should maybe ask him about coats?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:21 pm

OK in the last ten minutes trending in the UK:

trending at #1 #SoccerSixApplauseStore 147 tweets
at #2 #YesEd 65
not trending #CMG 180

In an eyes on economy would they really have got their algorithm to stop picking out the top trending topic just because it had already been trending for 16 days?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:22 pm

Just watching C4 news and Philip Booth of the Institute for Economic Affairs used the phrase "cost of living crisis"...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:22 pm

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:22 pm

Oh bloody hell my club Sheffield Wednesday have drawn Man City away again. We've already been hammered by them once this season, twice is cruel and unusual punishment.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:23 pm

UKYP are having a Raise The Wage twitter thunderclap in January if anyone would like to join in

https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/199 ... e-the-wage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We believe in the #‎livingwage‬, a fair day’s pay for a hard day’s work, ‪#‎raisethewage‬ make people’s lives better
http://www.ukyouthparliament.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:30 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:UKYP are having a Raise The Wage twitter thunderclap in January if anyone would like to join in

https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/199 ... e-the-wage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We believe in the #‎livingwage‬, a fair day’s pay for a hard day’s work, ‪#‎raisethewage‬ make people’s lives better
http://www.ukyouthparliament.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's an unfortunate acroymn.

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:34 pm

Spacedone wrote:
mbc1955 wrote:Has anyone got a link to where I can read just what Peter Jukes has said about 'The Un-Mensch-ionable'?
It's still on the Zelo Street blog. I won't post the link just in case Mensch decides she's going to sue everyone on Earth for saying something not anywhere near as offensive as her usual Twitter output.

Ok, ta. She doesn't know the law at all.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:35 pm

Spacedone wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:UKYP are having a Raise The Wage twitter thunderclap in January if anyone would like to join in

https://www.thunderclap.it/projects/199 ... e-the-wage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We believe in the #‎livingwage‬, a fair day’s pay for a hard day’s work, ‪#‎raisethewage‬ make people’s lives better
http://www.ukyouthparliament.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's an unfortunate acroymn.

It is, but I think they may have had it first, or at least well before the others got in the news as much, g'daughter took part at least 8 years ago.

rearofthestore · Post by **rearofthestore** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:49 pm

Spacedone wrote:So when did Twitter start disappearing trending topics?

Looks like something is going to be revealed

Dr Éoin Clarke ‏@LabourEoin 3m3 minutes ago
A very very interesting story brewing regarding the #CameronMustGo hashtag. I suspect experts in twitter analytics are going to be very busy

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 7:52 pm

Am on tenterhooks now!

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:09 pm

Spacedone wrote:Oh bloody hell my club Sheffield Wednesday have drawn Man City away again. We've already been hammered by them once this season, twice is cruel and unusual punishment.

Up the Owls! My grandfather stewarded there for years. Lived up in Crookes until he and my grandmother moved away to a sheltered-flat for their later years.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:21 pm

Rebecca wrote:Just suppose Labour were a few seats short of a majority.
Who would you prefer they did a deal with,libdems or snp?
I'm afraid I would go for libs just to spite the nats,but that's my problem.Don't say greens as they won't have enough seats.

The LibDems don't deserve to get any sort of power; they've shown they can't be trusted, so I'd take a chance and say the
SNP.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:23 pm

rearofthestore wrote:
Spacedone wrote:So when did Twitter start disappearing trending topics?
Looks like something is going to be revealed
Dr Éoin Clarke ‏@LabourEoin 3m3 minutes ago
A very very interesting story brewing regarding the #CameronMustGo hashtag. I suspect experts in twitter analytics are going to be very busy

As of a few minutes ago there's not a sign of it which is decidedly suspicious.

Once again it looks as if the Tories will be hoist on their own petard. Which they'll deny of course.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:24 pm

I'll bet Ed can't resist having a quiet snigger.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:31 pm

Still not totally at home with Twitter, but my trending list says #YesEd, is second.
Is there a British trend and one for the world?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:35 pm

Just watched the Leaders Live debate with Ed Miliband.

He did OK. Did come across as warm. At his best at the very end when he started engaging more directly and equally with the panel.

I could definitely give him some 'notes' though. (Former performer's hat on there.)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:37 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ank-report" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The image in the article linked above.

The numbers & graph imagery don't make sense.

The only information I can make out it, assuming the numbers are accurate, is that 110,504 more individual benefit sanctions are happening per year, according to the numbers & time indicated.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:45 pm

Dr Éoin Clarke @LabourEoin · 42 mins 42 minutes ago
#CameronMustGo has attracted 83,000 tweets in the last day and is currently attracting 5 times more tweets than the Number 1 Trending Topic.

Dr Éoin Clarke @LabourEoin · 18 mins 18 minutes ago
#CameronMustGo has now attracted 88,000 tweets today. It is on course to break all previous records it set itself via http://topsy.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Something stinks.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:52 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Still not totally at home with Twitter, but my trending list says #YesEd, is second.
Is there a British trend and one for the world?

The #YesEd came from the live debate (never knew twitter and YouTube could interact like that - 'twas good) some are now using it instead of #cameronmustgo as twitter seems to have done away with it - well stopped it trending.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 8:58 pm

citizenJA wrote:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ank-report" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The image in the article linked above.

The numbers & graph imagery don't make sense.

The only information I can make out it, assuming the numbers are accurate, is that 110,504 more individual benefit sanctions are happening per year, according to the numbers & time indicated.

What they're saying is that 3M+ people have been sanctioned since April 2000, of which 800,000 were within the last couple of years. But I think it also says that the number of sanctions per person has decreased slightly.

Edited to add the number of squares is the number of sanctions per person but it's a meaningless graphic!

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:03 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:At his best at the very end when he started engaging more directly and equally with the panel.

One of his strengths that, and something Labour need to build on; didn't see tonight's debate but, if it is anything like previous occasions I have seen, he will have asked the questioners opinion before giving them an answer. That is so powerful, if he got a chance to do something similar in the head to head debates that would blow Cameron & Clegg (and, very possibly, Farage) right out of the water.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:05 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Still not totally at home with Twitter, but my trending list says #YesEd, is second.
Is there a British trend and one for the world?

Ohso look at the top right of the Trends panel and you can click on Change. If you currently have "tailored trends" click "change" again.

You probably have your location set as London or UK but you can choose "Worldwide" if you prefer.

For info I have FTN at UK.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:12 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:At his best at the very end when he started engaging more directly and equally with the panel.
One of his strengths that, and something Labour need to build on; didn't see tonight's debate but, if it is anything like previous occasions I have seen, he will have asked the questioners opinion before giving them an answer. That is so powerful, if he got a chance to do something similar in the head to head debates that would blow Cameron & Clegg (and, very possibly, Farage) right out of the water.

That is exactly what he did TGS. It's a much more powerful and direct way of engaging - it frees him up to have a real conversation with the person rather than talking at people - far less abstract. He needs to do it more - and earlier on.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:16 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:At his best at the very end when he started engaging more directly and equally with the panel.
One of his strengths that, and something Labour need to build on; didn't see tonight's debate but, if it is anything like previous occasions I have seen, he will have asked the questioners opinion before giving them an answer. That is so powerful, if he got a chance to do something similar in the head to head debates that would blow Cameron & Clegg (and, very possibly, Farage) right out of the water.
That is exactly what he did TGS. It's a much more powerful and direct way of engaging - it frees him up to have a real conversation with the person rather than talking at people - far less abstract. He needs to do it more - and earlier on.

Funnily enough I noted a "troll" deriding him for exactly this habit recently

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:18 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote: One of his strengths that, and something Labour need to build on; didn't see tonight's debate but, if it is anything like previous occasions I have seen, he will have asked the questioners opinion before giving them an answer. That is so powerful, if he got a chance to do something similar in the head to head debates that would blow Cameron & Clegg (and, very possibly, Farage) right out of the water.
That is exactly what he did TGS. It's a much more powerful and direct way of engaging - it frees him up to have a real conversation with the person rather than talking at people - far less abstract. He needs to do it more - and earlier on.
Funnily enough I noted a "troll" deriding him for exactly this habit recently

Thereby proving that the Mail do get some things right sometimes .....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... acist.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:18 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote: One of his strengths that, and something Labour need to build on; didn't see tonight's debate but, if it is anything like previous occasions I have seen, he will have asked the questioners opinion before giving them an answer. That is so powerful, if he got a chance to do something similar in the head to head debates that would blow Cameron & Clegg (and, very possibly, Farage) right out of the water.
That is exactly what he did TGS. It's a much more powerful and direct way of engaging - it frees him up to have a real conversation with the person rather than talking at people - far less abstract. He needs to do it more - and earlier on.
Funnily enough I noted a "troll" deriding him for exactly this habit recently

Well they would, wouldn't they. Bloody cavedwellers - who certainly don't have his and Labour's best interests at heart.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:21 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:At his best at the very end when he started engaging more directly and equally with the panel.
One of his strengths that, and something Labour need to build on; didn't see tonight's debate but, if it is anything like previous occasions I have seen, he will have asked the questioners opinion before giving them an answer. That is so powerful, if he got a chance to do something similar in the head to head debates that would blow Cameron & Clegg (and, very possibly, Farage) right out of the water.
That is exactly what he did TGS. It's a much more powerful and direct way of engaging - it frees him up to have a real conversation with the person rather than talking at people - far less abstract. He needs to do it more - and earlier on.

To be fair tonight's were set subject questions covering previously chosen, 4 policy area, questions. Only the last 5 mins or so were free Q&A. Its still up and can be re watched for those who missed it.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:27 pm

A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:35 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo

I was just going over twitter T&C and found this

Are there rules for Trends?
It is possible to abuse Trends. Of course, this is against the Twitter Rules. The following behaviors and others like them could cause your account to be filtered from search or even suspended:
◦Adding one or more topic/hashtag to an unrelated Tweet in an attempt to gain attention in search.
◦Repeatedly Tweeting the same topic/hashtag without adding value to the conversation in an attempt to get the topic trending or trending higher.
◦Tweeting about each Trend in order to drive traffic to your profile or website, especially when mixed with advertising.
◦Listing Trends in combination with a request to be followed.
◦Tweeting about a Trend and posting a misleading link to something unrelated.

I'm thinking someone has been reporting #Cameronmustgo as spam under the rule I've highlighted in blue. ?
https://support.twitter.com/articles/10 ... on-twitter#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:37 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Still not totally at home with Twitter, but my trending list says #YesEd, is second.
Is there a British trend and one for the world?
Ohso look at the top right of the Trends panel and you can click on Change. If you currently have "tailored trends" click "change" again.

You probably have your location set as London or UK but you can choose "Worldwide" if you prefer.

For info I have FTN at UK.

Thanks.
I'm on tailored. It includes #ICan'tBreath so probably goes further afield.
#CameronMustGo was top or second for nearly two weeks then dropped to fourth. The next day, nothing.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:38 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo

Stephen Dolan's comment echoes a short 'conversation' I've just had with Martin Belam (ex-techy guy from the Graun, colloquially known as BlackOps). As Martin pointed out

it's an algorithm based on velocity otherwise all the trends would be Justin Bieber all the time

Effectively you get to a point where the law of diminishing returns comes in to play; if CMG was being tweeted 50K times a day, every day, then that velocity has gone and the algorithim will no longer pick it up - it would be interesting to see what happened if all activity on that hashtag was stopped for a couple of weeks, and then restarted, would that give it 'velocity'? I'm not 100% convinced this is the whole answer, but it may account for part of the disappearance.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:39 pm

It's unbelievable #CameronMustGo is being used at multiple per second. It MUST be trending. Oh...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:39 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo

So when that berk wrote the piece for the Telegraph in which the twitter analyst said 'I give it two weeks' (or words to that effect and timescale) - that prediction was literal? Twitter does only allow two weeks for something to be trending high - or even appearing in trending results ....

Hmmmmmm.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:42 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo
So when that berk wrote the piece for the Telegraph in which the twitter analyst said 'I give it two weeks' (or words to that effect and timescale) - that prediction was literal? Twitter does only allow two weeks for something to be trending high - or even appearing in trending results ....

Hmmmmmm.

I understand the concept of "increasing frequency" BUT (conspiracy theorist moi?) this hashtag is being used this evening at a frequency about the same as when we were waiting for Obama's re-election result or similar. Which MUST be an increase.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:43 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo
I was just going over twitter T&C and found this
Are there rules for Trends?
It is possible to abuse Trends. Of course, this is against the Twitter Rules. The following behaviors and others like them could cause your account to be filtered from search or even suspended:
◦Adding one or more topic/hashtag to an unrelated Tweet in an attempt to gain attention in search.
◦Repeatedly Tweeting the same topic/hashtag without adding value to the conversation in an attempt to get the topic trending or trending higher.
◦Tweeting about each Trend in order to drive traffic to your profile or website, especially when mixed with advertising.
◦Listing Trends in combination with a request to be followed.
◦Tweeting about a Trend and posting a misleading link to something unrelated.
I'm thinking someone has been reporting #Cameronmustgo as spam under the rule I've highlighted in blue. ?
https://support.twitter.com/articles/10 ... on-twitter#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mmm. When a hashtag aks why we think a person isn't up to the job and should go, I don't see how it could be done any differently.
So many reasons why Dave should go must have given Crosby nightmares.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:45 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo
So when that berk wrote the piece for the Telegraph in which the twitter analyst said 'I give it two weeks' (or words to that effect and timescale) - that prediction was literal? Twitter does only allow two weeks for something to be trending high - or even appearing in trending results ....

Hmmmmmm.

That must defeat the point of Twitter. Mustn't it?

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:46 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:A piece on the #CameronMustGo controversy from Mike Sivier quoting our very own Stephen Dolan

http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2014/12/0 ... ronmustgo/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was-there-a-secret-tory-conspiracy-to-get-rid-of-cameronmustgo
So when that berk wrote the piece for the Telegraph in which the twitter analyst said 'I give it two weeks' (or words to that effect and timescale) - that prediction was literal? Twitter does only allow two weeks for something to be trending high - or even appearing in trending results ....

Hmmmmmm.

Nope, he was just plucking numbers from the air. I pulled him up about it on Saturday, he was very touchy & more than a little embarrassed; if you set yourself up as an 'expert' on something a comment like that is a hostage to fortune.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:46 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:It's unbelievable #CameronMustGo is being used at multiple per second. It MUST be trending. Oh...

They asked for a blitz this evening just to see what happened. Well, we did. And nothing. Interesting.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:48 pm

The Guardian view on food poverty: the bank of Cameron and Osborne
An all-party committee has forced Britain to face up to the return of hunger. But there is no apolitical route to a solution – too much of the problem is down to political decisions
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... on-osborne

The Guardian view appears to have whitewashed the LibDems out of any of these terrible hunger inducing policies - almost as though they haven't been in government ........

Incredible.

But most of the first comments BTL have fallen for it ... only mentioning Tory bastards. Sorry - there were two parties in this marriage ... and both acted badly.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:50 pm

I've been having some fun at the expense of a slippery Kipper who tried to tell us:

I believe the UK is the most congested country in Europe.

Except that it isn't - Belgium and Netherlands are ahead of us. So...

I don't think so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7618994.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The piece quotes ONS figures and that was in 2008!

The link goes to a story headed...England 'most crowded in Europe'

Funny thing...when I pointed out that he'd started with the UK and then switched to England there was a deafening silence.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:54 pm

Just in from an email
This booklet represents a summary of some of the key policies developed
through Labour’s policy making process, Agenda 2015, and agreed as
part of Labour’s policy programme by the National Policy Forum and
Annual Conference 2014. To read Labour’s policy programme in full visit
yourbritain.org.uk/agenda-2015/npf-annual-report-2014.

Skimmed not read yet but looking good!
http://b.3cdn.net/labouruk/414e1ab67632 ... 6bflfq.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:56 pm

I may be very stupid ... but couldn't the twitter trending problem be solved by re-introducing it as #CameronHasToGo

And then we could work out another small variation for the following two weeks ... and so on.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:57 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:I've been having some fun at the expense of a slippery Kipper who tried to tell us:

I believe the UK is the most congested country in Europe.
Except that it isn't - Belgium and Netherlands are ahead of us. So...

I don't think so.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7618994.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The piece quotes ONS figures and that was in 2008!
The link goes to a story headed...England 'most crowded in Europe'

Funny thing...when I pointed out that he'd started with the UK and then switched to England there was a deafening silence.

TBH Rog, to somebody like that England is the UK, the others parts are mere decoration. That is why you can't argue with them, they're always on a different page to you (usually one with small words & lots of pictures).

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 08 Dec, 2014 9:59 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:I may be very stupid ... but couldn't the twitter trending problem be solved by re-introducing it as #CameronHasToGo

And then we could work out another small variation for the following two weeks ... and so on.

Trouble is the rule Ohso posted above would disqualify that.

In short, we seem to be about to learn that Twitter isn't quite the instrument of democracy and freedom we hoped it might be