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Ha ! You all thought Channel 4 was for us lefties didn't you ?!

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“The bedroom tax is on its way out,’ trumpets Labour’s Rachel Reeves on Twitter with no fewer than four exclamation marks!!!! But both her optimism and excitement are perhaps a little premature, even after today’s government defeat in parliament over reform of the spare room subsidy, to give it its proper title.


http://blogs.channel4.com/jackie-long-o ... OrZI9.dpuf

Actually Ms Long - the official title is under-occupancy penalty & that you think it is called the spare room subsidy says more about you & C4 than I care to think about. The sneer at Reeves was unnecessary & puts a whole new complexion on the so-called 'left-leaning' stance.


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I was going to post a reasoned reply, but costcentre2 just hoyed his school blazer over (two days usage) for me to repair. Fortunately, I did Home Ec at my comp back in the '70s, unlike Mrs55 who went to a posh school. She knows the difference between the pluperfect and preterite tenses, but can't sew for toffee.



:lol:

I had to regularly darn and patch the knees of my off-springs school trousers. When the material became too thin and frayed, I had to resort to gluing patches on. By the end of the school year, the trousers were capable of standing up on their own.

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Bloody Charles Kennedy on Twitter saying it was all down to the the LibDems. I reminded him who'd enabled it in the first place. And I wasn't the only one. [I was polite though, because he doesn't come across as one of Cleggy's brown nosers ]

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It's been pointed out that, as the school isn't ready, the parents might not have signed those strict behaviour contracts...

When Toby's school suspended a kid for having hair that was too short, she said "the parents accept the rules". Well hers probably haven't.


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Has anyone any idea how the LibDems, who attended voted? Going to find an old saucepan and that can be used as a spittoon as I read the list.


The details are now up on Hansard. Most of the Lib Dems, including Beaker, voted for the Bill. Turning into a bit of a PR disaster for Wee Eck and the SNP because all the Scottish Labour MPs came south for the debate, and most SNP MPs stayed away; I suspect that one will be used over the next couple of weeks, whenever he claims to be working for the benefit of all.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... nknown/17/

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From one of my pals.

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From one of my pals.

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Where's Henry Porter?

As far as I know, Bury and Rochdale ones are still open and I think South Manchester is as well (although maybe with restricted service) web sites are still up and running ?

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Steve Webb takes the biscuit I would say,the chosen one that has repeatedly answered for the Government in previous debates as the BBC says "It meant Mr Webb was effectively voting against his own work and pensions department".Tory Angie Bray voted for the Bill and not an insignificant number didn't vote,both as a consequence of fear of losing seats and party indiscipline.


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Anna Soubry show on AQ; allowed to talk over everyone else and for longer than anyone else when it's her turn. Dimbleby talking over people when she's not.

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From one of my pals.

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Manchester is now left with no Law Centres. Four years ago there were three.


Where's Henry Porter?

As far as I know, Bury and Rochdale ones are still open and I think South Manchester is as well (although maybe with restricted service) web sites are still up and running ?

http://www.lawcentres.org.uk/about-law- ... abetically


Greg is a pretty serious face on the law front. But London based, so might have got it wrong.


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Absolutely delighted that the bill from Lib Dem @AndrewGeorgeLD to fix the Tories' bedroom tax has passed thanks to Lib Dem and Labour MPs


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Absolutely delighted that the bill from Lib Dem @AndrewGeorgeLD to fix the Tories' bedroom tax has passed thanks to Lib Dem and Labour MPs


Why does that make me want to scream 'pass the sick bag mother' at the top of my voice?

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Good job we've lots of money sloshing around to spend on vanity schemes eh?

Government forced to rethink £1.2m three bed house bought for free school

http://academiesweek.co.uk/government-forced-to-rethink-1-2m-three-bed-house-bought-for-free-school/

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High Ridge in Caversham near Reading - was bought by the EFA in June for 350-place primary school The Heights, but fierce local opposition means the plan is being revisited.


:toss:

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Cameron's hardballing in Europe going well. Lord Hill looking like he's going to get one of the lesser roles.

Hill was lightweight enough to start with. Sending him in there on the back of a pointless diplomatic row was the icing on the cake.

John Major nominated Neil Kinnock, an excellent non-partisan choice. Cameron could have surely found a Labour Cabinet Minister of greater weight than Hill. Beyond Mr No More Punch and Judy.


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Absolutely delighted that the bill from Lib Dem @AndrewGeorgeLD to fix the Tories' bedroom tax has passed thanks to Lib Dem and Labour MPs


Why does that make me want to scream 'pass the sick bag mother' at the top of my voice?


He's been getting a pasting on Twitter. 8-)

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Snap PfY. The Lib Dem political dance of the seven veils for whoever they think will buy their nonsense is truly stomach churning.

As someone just said on Any Questions - do they really think we're going to forget the last four years?

And someone give Caroline Lucas an honour .... she's just put Anna Soubry bang to rights when Soubry complained Lucas was out of order and objectionable to say the Tories were a cruel and nasty party as she (darling Anna) really didn't come into parliament to be horrid and make cuts ... Caroline Lucas quick as she could said 'well you joined the wrong party then'. And the audience clapped loudly.

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Good job we've lots of money sloshing around to spend on vanity schemes eh?

Government forced to rethink £1.2m three bed house bought for free school

http://academiesweek.co.uk/government-forced-to-rethink-1-2m-three-bed-house-bought-for-free-school/

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A £1.2m “historic residence”, purchased for a new free school, may in fact not be used after the Education Funding Agency (EFA) agreed to consider alternative sites.

High Ridge in Caversham near Reading - was bought by the EFA in June for 350-place primary school The Heights, but fierce local opposition means the plan is being revisited.


:toss:


Think OhSo was on to that before.

You'd think it was a numbers game for the election or something.

I've put you both down for a Govey Free School Marginals Tour T-shirt.

What happened to Damian Thompson's "we want a school and it has to go in this old building which the council could sell for lots, provide a school and have money left?" That was in Reading too...


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Italy flights cancelled due to strike
Ryanair and EasyJet cancelling flights on Saturday as disruption caused by strike by air traffic controllers in Italy


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/05/italy-flights-cancelled-ryanair-easyjet

Hope this doesn't muck up Roger's holiday flight.

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Italy flights cancelled due to strike
Ryanair and EasyJet cancelling flights on Saturday as disruption caused by strike by air traffic controllers in Italy


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/05/italy-flights-cancelled-ryanair-easyjet

Hope this doesn't muck up Roger's holiday flight.


:o

Might be OK as I don't fly out until 4:20 and land Palermo 8pm.

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So UKIP, the Lib Dems and Labour all oppose the #spareroomsubsidy cut - only the Conservatives can be trusted on welfare reform.


Oh don't you just love him ... or them?

Just heard the BBC News parrot the official nonsense in their report on the 'spare room subsidy which critics have labelled the bedroom tax'. No Beeb - everyone, even Tory ministers caught off their guard, refer to it as the bedroom tax. It's only idiots that persist with the spare room subsidy crap.

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Italy flights cancelled due to strike
Ryanair and EasyJet cancelling flights on Saturday as disruption caused by strike by air traffic controllers in Italy


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/05/italy-flights-cancelled-ryanair-easyjet

Hope this doesn't muck up Roger's holiday flight.


:o

Might be OK as I don't fly out until 4:20 and land Palermo 8pm.


Have a fantastic time. Well you will anyway won't you ... I adored Sicily ... and I went about as long ago as you did - but the memories persist.

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
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Good job we've lots of money sloshing around to spend on vanity schemes eh?

Government forced to rethink £1.2m three bed house bought for free school

http://academiesweek.co.uk/government-forced-to-rethink-1-2m-three-bed-house-bought-for-free-school/

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A £1.2m “historic residence”, purchased for a new free school, may in fact not be used after the Education Funding Agency (EFA) agreed to consider alternative sites.

High Ridge in Caversham near Reading - was bought by the EFA in June for 350-place primary school The Heights, but fierce local opposition means the plan is being revisited.


:toss:


Think OhSo was on to that before.

You'd think it was a numbers game for the election or something.

I've put you both down for a Govey Free School Marginals Tour T-shirt.

What happened to Damian Thompson's "we want a school and it has to go in this old building which the council could sell for lots, provide a school and have money left?" That was in Reading too...


There is another Free Primary School just opened up in an old nursery. They are supposed to be getting a new school built, but I don't think it's got past the 'supposed' stage yet.

The daftest location was to put a Free School in the oldest part of the Royal Berkshire Hospital. Huge, huge repair costs, and not one inch of playground...That was finally dropped but not without a lot of screaming.

The world's gone mad.

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Italy flights cancelled due to strike
Ryanair and EasyJet cancelling flights on Saturday as disruption caused by strike by air traffic controllers in Italy


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/05/italy-flights-cancelled-ryanair-easyjet

Hope this doesn't muck up Roger's holiday flight.


:o

Might be OK as I don't fly out until 4:20 and land Palermo 8pm.


Fingers crossed then. :D

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Just been retweeting some Ohso Tweets ;-)

I reckon she's getting rather good at it! Ohso do you feel like doing some Tweeting from the Flythenest account?


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Good job we've lots of money sloshing around to spend on vanity schemes eh?

Government forced to rethink £1.2m three bed house bought for free school

http://academiesweek.co.uk/government-forced-to-rethink-1-2m-three-bed-house-bought-for-free-school/

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A £1.2m “historic residence”, purchased for a new free school, may in fact not be used after the Education Funding Agency (EFA) agreed to consider alternative sites.

High Ridge in Caversham near Reading - was bought by the EFA in June for 350-place primary school The Heights, but fierce local opposition means the plan is being revisited.


:toss:


Think OhSo was on to that before.

You'd think it was a numbers game for the election or something.

I've put you both down for a Govey Free School Marginals Tour T-shirt.

What happened to Damian Thompson's "we want a school and it has to go in this old building which the council could sell for lots, provide a school and have money left?" That was in Reading too...


There is another Free Primary School just opened up in an old nursery. They are supposed to be getting a new school built, but I don't think it's got past the 'supposed' stage yet.

The daftest location was to put a Free School in the oldest part of the Royal Berkshire Hospital. Huge, huge repair costs, and not one inch of playground...That was finally dropped but not without a lot of screaming.

The world's gone mad.


Crike, I recall that. Never knew it was all in Reading. Couldn't have happened to more deserving MP, that nice Mr Wilson.

Primary free school applicants might be wishing Cameron hadn't agree to the Clegg free school meals plan, and all so they could do their marriage tax allowance.


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Farage has been on Fox News.

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Farage fears that the EU is so politically correct that it will actively stymie British efforts to fight the ISIS threat. He flatly predicts, for example, that Cameron’s recently announced get-tough policy on Islamic radicalism will be invalidated by the European Convention on Human Rights.


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Safe in their hands.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... CMP=twt_gu

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After 59 consecutive weeks of failure to meet targets, there are serious concerns for emergency departments' ability to cope


Blah, blah, Wales, blah, GP's contract, blah open door immigration.


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Didn't even know Mark Serwotka was ill?


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I suggested a while ago that they might deliberately fail to sort out stuff that could be linked with immigration. Sadly, the failure on net immigration has probably undone Lynton's brilliant strategy.


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Away from NATO deliberations, three local council by-elections yesterday:

Oxford DC - Labour hold, though this was notable for a staggeringly low turnout of just eight and a half percent - which comes from a vacancy in an overwhelmingly student ward being filled deep into the summer break. Labour have only previously won this ward since its 2002 inception in 2010 (it initially split 1Green/1LibDem 12 years ago, followed by LibDem wins in 2004 2008 & 2010 and Green wins in 2006 and earlier this year - plus a 2004 by-election) and have often trailed in third or even fourth (Tories a good second in 2008) so they will be pleased with this result regardless, with a swing of around 15% from the Greens - whose share halved - since May. LibDems also up significantly to retake second spot, but the Tories collapsed from over 20% to just 6% - and were tied for last by UKIP in their first ever showing here.

Shepway DC - UKIP gain from Tory with a swing of over 20% in their first ever showing at this level (though they did win the Kent CC seat covering this area last year, so not a complete surprise) Their winning score of 28% reveals a highly fragmented contest, with the Tories almost caught by the LibDems who advanced slightly here on 2011 (after they had won one of the two seats here in 2003 - narrowly beating the Tories overall - and just missed out in a straight fight with them in 2007, before slumping behind Labour last time and almost being caught by an Indy) and just beat Labour, who will be disappointed to see their share well down after coming a good second last time. Greens scored over 9% in their first try here, TUSC their usual last with under 3%.

Surrey Heath DC - Labour hold one of their very few reliable wards in this county in recent years - returning two councillors by modest margins in 2003 and (even closer) 2007, before becoming more comfortable last time - though they saw their share drop as UKIP more than doubled their score (they have a longer electoral history here than many places, having stood both in 2011 and 2007) and finished not far behind the Tories, who were also slightly down. This was one of a handful of councils that remained majority Tory even in the "annus horribilis" of 1995 (and before that had been 100% blue for a period in the 1980s) but in recent years there has remained a definite opposition presence in what is now Gove's backyard. Nice to see ;)

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Weasels quite a good description here..


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Didn't even know Mark Serwotka was ill?


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... i-was-dead


What a tough bloke to go through all that and still be up for doing his job and standing for another election.

Also amazed at how respectful and decent BTL is - for now anyway.

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Didn't even know Mark Serwotka was ill?


http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... i-was-dead


What a tough bloke to go through all that and still be up for doing his job and standing for another election.

Also amazed at how respectful and decent BTL is - for now anyway.


Shocking isn't it, I honestly had no idea, I googled him a few months 'cos he had gone so quiet, now I know why.


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Very interesting to see how the Bedroom Tax vote is playing out in Scotland. The SNP are being labelled as hypocrites for not even sending their MPs to the vote.

And that just after Miliband was there with his fairer together message. Interesting….


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Is Clegg now in a party of one? The Clegg.

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Welfare claimants to get attitude tests, employment minister reveals
New interviews will see whether benefits claimants are psychologically prepared to work, Esther McVey reveals


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11078359/Welfare-claimants-to-get-attitude-tests-employment-minister-reveals.html

OMG. Black hearted McVey strikes again.

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Welfare claimants to get attitude tests, employment minister reveals
New interviews will see whether benefits claimants are psychologically prepared to work, Esther McVey reveals


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11078359/Welfare-claimants-to-get-attitude-tests-employment-minister-reveals.html

OMG. Black hearted McVey strikes again.


She's unbelievable. According to her it's Labour's pessimism about job opportunities that stop a lot of people applying for the plentiful, well paid jobs on offer to them ....

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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
Welfare claimants to get attitude tests, employment minister reveals
New interviews will see whether benefits claimants are psychologically prepared to work, Esther McVey reveals


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11078359/Welfare-claimants-to-get-attitude-tests-employment-minister-reveals.html

OMG. Black hearted McVey strikes again.


She's unbelievable. According to her it's Labour's pessimism about job opportunities that stop a lot of people applying for the plentiful, well paid jobs on offer to them ....


I imagine she "believes" that. Ask IDS, it's part of the job description.


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Even by the Guardian's recent standards, this is totally fucking pathetic.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ong-equals


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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
Welfare claimants to get attitude tests, employment minister reveals
New interviews will see whether benefits claimants are psychologically prepared to work, Esther McVey reveals


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11078359/Welfare-claimants-to-get-attitude-tests-employment-minister-reveals.html

OMG. Black hearted McVey strikes again.


She's unbelievable. According to her it's Labour's pessimism about job opportunities that stop a lot of people applying for the plentiful, well paid jobs on offer to them ....


Well, she'll be able to find out for herself next May ....... :D

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Even by the Guardian's recent standards, this is totally fucking pathetic.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ong-equals


Both feeble and spiteful. And no doubt completely misrepresenting the research cited.

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So UKIP, the Lib Dems and Labour all oppose the #spareroomsubsidy cut - only the Conservatives can be trusted on welfare reform.


Oh don't you just love him ... or them?

Just heard the BBC News parrot the official nonsense in their report on the 'spare room subsidy which critics have labelled the bedroom tax'. No Beeb - everyone, even Tory ministers caught off their guard, refer to it as the bedroom tax. It's only idiots that persist with the spare room subsidy crap.


And surely even the BBC isn't stupid enough to think that the policy is called the spare room subsidy? That refers to the position the subsidy is supposed to end. It's hardly rocket science

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