Tuesday 9th December 2014

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 6:33 am

Morning.

I thought this might be an interesting article for some.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... n-expected" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Libdems facing even bigger wipeout than expected.

Edited to add "even"

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 6:39 am

Morning.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbercovici/2014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... is-futile/

Quote:
Algorithms Are Invading Your Twitter Stream, And Resistance Is Futile

From September but relevant to last night's discussion. Looks like those of us more interested in anything than in Justin Bieber's hair (bad though it admittedly is) will have to devise alternative trending services, but which people who aren't us will want to use.

It will have to be someone more technically literate than me. Obv.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 7:07 am

http://www.digiday.com/platforms/dont-f ... an-brands/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another piece on the twitter algorithm - set to roll out in 2015 (!)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 7:27 am

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 8th December -
Con 34%, (+2)
Lab 33%, (+1)
LD 6%, (-)
UKIP 15%; (-2)
APP -22

Post by **refitman** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 7:29 am

Morning. Tories lead by 1 point on Yougov:

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 8th December -

Con 34%, (+2)
Lab 33%, (+1)
LD 6%, (nc)
UKIP 15%; (-2)
Grn 6%; (-1)

APP -22 (+2)

Post by **refitman** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 7:30 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Latest YouGov / The Sun results 8th December -
Con 34%, (+2)
Lab 33%, (+1)
LD 6%, (-)
UKIP 15%; (-2)
APP -22

Beat me to it!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 7:32 am

ah - but yours is more complete!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 8:22 am

UC "National Expansion to April 2015"

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... -expansion" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 8:30 am

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/deb ... -1-6994725" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Leeds

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... um-8252550" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
Manchester

Northerners agitating for devolution from Toffs

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 8:32 am

Have successfully deactivated rogue twitter account. Will reattempt in due course.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 8:40 am

Morning all. Until a better strategy is agreed I'll keep posting on #CameronMustGo. The problem with #YesEd is that it's pro Labour not anti Cameron. Spare a thought for us old skool socialists and greens in your deliberations. We might be able to set a record for tweets or something.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 8:47 am

frightful_oik wrote:Morning all. Until a better strategy is agreed I'll keep posting on #CameronMustGo. The problem with #YesEd is that it's pro Labour not anti Cameron. Spare a thought for us old skool socialists and greens in your deliberations. We might be able to set a record for tweets or something.

Will try to report on CMG versus #1 trends during course of the day as moral support

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 8:57 am

Thank you for that link HindleA.

Nothing quite like a Lib Dem wipe out story to start the day.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 9:15 am

The Mail have a story that a key female Kipper is alleging she was sexually harrassed by their general secretary, the same man who was suspended yesterday by the party.
He, of course, strenuously denies her allegations.
[Am mindful he might be Mensch-esque when it comes to threatening libel action]

Edited to add:

Guardian have it on their front page too.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... llegations" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 9:17 am

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... 4120993637" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

yahyah - Mash rapidly becoming more reliable news source than actual newspapers:

A BBC spokesman said: “In the next six months the Liberal Democrats will present themselves as a viable party of government which, for so many reasons, is untrue.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 9:44 am

Weird and inexplicable, or just I don't understand Twitter?

in the last hour
CMG - not trending 511 (twitter) 2,179 (Topsy)
AusVInd - #1 in UK 289 (twitter) 737 (Topsy)
MetalCarols - #1 in world 648 (twitter) 870 (Topsy)

What's going on?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 10:05 am

very unscientific comparison of tweets showing up in twitter versus topsy over same period of time - topsy tweets circled in green apparently not showing in twitter

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 10:14 am

http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/61710/ ... ly-useless" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

Osborne’s cuts could reduce Army to virtually useless
Cuts will be so severe that Nato could classify our reduced forces not as an army, but a gendarmerie

For some reason has me thinking of the Falklands.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 10:22 am

Here are details of the "roll-out" of Universal Credit

Universal Credit national expansion
Following the successful roll out of Universal Credit in the north-west of England, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) can provide details of the first tranche of national expansion to local authorities and jobcentres.
Universal Credit will roll out to new claims from single people, who would otherwise have been eligible for Jobseeker’s Allowance, including those with existing Housing Benefit and Working Tax Credit claims.
The list below is a provisional planning assumption for the tranche one roll out sites that will begin to deliver Universal Credit between February and April 2015. We are committed to working closely with local authorities before confirming or announcing further details about the roll out schedule.
Once tranche one is complete Universal Credit will be available in 1 in 3 jobcentres across Great Britain with more jobcentres to roll out in subsequent tranches until national expansion is complete in spring 2016.
Ashford JCP
Barnsley JCP Goldthorpe JCP Wombwell JCP
Basildon JCP
Retford JCP Worksop JCP
Bedford JCP
Broad Street JCP Birmingham City JCP Erdington JCP Handsworth JCP Kings Heath JCP Washwood Heath JCP Perry Barr JCP
Sutton Coldfield JCP
Selly Oak JCP
Birmingham South West JCP Sparkhill JCP
Yardley JCP
Boston JCP
Dereham JCP Thetford JCP
Brentwood JCP
Brighouse JCP Halifax JCP Todmorden JCP
Chesterfield JCP Staveley JCP
Edinburgh City JCP High Riggs JCP Leith JCP
Wester Hailes JCP
City Tower JCP
York Monkgate JCP York Stonebow JCP
Colchester JCP Corby JCP Skipton JCP Daventry JCP
Dudley JCP Halesowen JCP Stourbridge JCP
Annan JCP Dumfries JCP Stranraer JCP
Musselburgh JCP Burton JCP
Ilkeston JCP Long Eaton JCP
Flint JCP
Mold JCP
Bury St. Edmunds JCP Milldenhall JCP Newmarket JCP
Northallerton JCP Market Harborough JCP Hartlepool JCP Hastings JCP
Hereford JCP Leominster JCP Ross-On-Wye JCP
Dingwall JCP Fort William JCP Invergordon JCP Portree JCP Wick JCP
Hinckley JCP Litchfield JCP
Barnet JCP Edgware JCP Hendon JCP Finchley JCP
Harlesden JCP Kilburn JCP Wembley JCP Willesden JCP
Fulham JCP Shepherds Bush JCP
Hounslow JCP Poplar JCP Wandsworth JCP Maidstone JCP Melton Mowbray JCP Frome JCP
Wells JCP
Dalkeith JCP Penicuik JCP
Neath JCP Port Talbot JCP
Newcastle City JCP Newcastle East JCP Newcastle West JCP
Kidsgrove JCP Newcastle-under-Lyme JCP
Irvine JCP Kilbirnie JCP Saltcoats JCP
Airdrie JCP Bellshill JCP Cumbernauld JCP Motherwell JCP
Clevedon JCP
Weston Super Mare JCP
Oxford JCP Redditch JCP Bexhill JCP Rugby JCP Ryedale JCP
Eyemouth JCP Galashlels JCP Hawick JCP
Bridgwater JCP
Bridgnorth JCP Market Drayton JCP Oswestry JCP Shrewsbury JCP Whitchurch JCP
Southampton JCP
Southend JCP
Grantham JCP Stamford JCP
Didcot JCP
Yeovil JCP Stratford-upon-Avon JCP
Felixstowe JCP Leiston JCP Woodbridge JCP
Sheerness JCP Sittingbourne JCP
Swindon JCP
Tamworth JCP
Taunton JCP
Clacton JCP Harwich JCP
Grays JCP
Cwmbran JCP Pontypool JCP
Abingdon JCP
Beccles JCP Lowestoft JCP
Alexandria JCP Clydebank JCP Dumbarton JCP
Witney JCP Minehead JCP
Chippenham JCP Devizes JCP Salisbury JCP Trowbridge JCP
Wrexham JCP

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... ansion.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 10:23 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theweek.co.uk/uk-news/61710/ ... ly-useless?
Osborne’s cuts could reduce Army to virtually useless
Cuts will be so severe that Nato could classify our reduced forces not as an army, but a gendarmerie
For some reason has me thinking of the Falklands.

Fundamentally we have no need for an army other than to defend the Falklands.

Public opinion won't let us deploy troops anyway and a small professional army with some Territorials has long been the peace time model.

Unlike advanced technology and specialists like pilots it is easy to scale up the army.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 10:32 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/ ... 4120993637?

yahyah - Mash rapidly becoming more reliable news source than actual newspapers:
A BBC spokesman said: “In the next six months the Liberal Democrats will present themselves as a viable party of government which, for so many reasons, is untrue.

Thank you for a cheery start to the morning. I'm looking forward to the next BBC policy for portraying the Lib Dems as totally irrelevant and out of place in our news and not to be taken seriously ... only photographing / filming them as they are just finishing zipping up their trousers?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 10:39 am

John Kennedy @johnkennedyjnr
Mike in New Cross is grateful for all offers of money & food but adamant he doesn't want charity. At 12.30 today we'll try to get him a job.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 10:42 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:John Kennedy @johnkennedyjnr
Mike in New Cross is grateful for all offers of money & food but adamant he doesn't want charity. At 12.30 today we'll try to get him a job.

That's very good news TC. I really hope he gets a job - and it's the start of rebuilding his spirits and life.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 11:07 am

Irving Walsh @irvingwalsh
RT @adandec: "@jon_swindon keep using #CameronMustGo anything else will dilute it. A new # will be launched Saturday".

I assume that means this coming Saturday but twittersphere is logical blackhole to me

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 11:14 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:John Kennedy @johnkennedyjnr
Mike in New Cross is grateful for all offers of money & food but adamant he doesn't want charity. At 12.30 today we'll try to get him a job.
That's very good news TC. I really hope he gets a job - and it's the start of rebuilding his spirits and life.

It's the start of rebuilding everyone's spirits & life.

'No charity - give us our land back'

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 11:21 am

Or as the early socialists said "damn your charity, we want justice"

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 11:45 am

Daily catch-up: Ed Miliband’s unpopular policies on votes at 16, climate change and hashtags
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 11611.html

Well here is a journalist making capital of the disappearance of #CameronMustGo from the trending stats ...

What is the political persuasion of Rentoul - does anyone know? He's similar to Hodges in that he's dismissive and sarky of everything Miliband does or says ... but his so called tribalism isn't stated.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 11:54 am

Rentoul - born in India, educated at Cambridge.

He has been described (according to the Big W) as having "slavish admiration" for Tony Blair.
[4] http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 00899.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 11:57 am

Hello all.

I'm a little concerned I may have upset some people yesterday with my comments about disabled people and bus operators as I don't think I made clear that I supported the judge's verdict that Parliament needs to create a new law. Make it a legal requirement for passengers to give way if a disabled person needs a disabled space and then all private bus operators would have to enforce the same rule and bus drivers will have the law on their side and the ability to call the police if a passenger is difficult. As it is First Bus did nothing wrong from a legal point of view and because our public transport has been privatised, without new laws there is little we, the public can do about their minimal, profits before people style service.

Having hopefully cleared that up, it seems the main topic for the day is polls and how a four horse race makes them difficult to interpret. To be honest I'm surprised its taken this long to sink in that national polls in the current climate aren't very useful!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:01 pm

3. Sad to report that the hashtag #CameronMustGo has ceased, after about two weeks, to trend (that is, be used a lot) on Twitter in the UK. This will come as a disappointment to Miliband’s shadow cabinet adviser, Jon Trickett. Presumably it means that David Cameron may now stay.

Can someone let Rentoul know the following:

Current #1 on twitter trends in UK #BAC14 371 tweets in the past hour
Current #2 12DaysofJonesDAY9 386
CMG not trending 2,375

Presumably it means something about Rentoul's skill as a journalist.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:05 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Daily catch-up: Ed Miliband’s unpopular policies on votes at 16, climate change and hashtags
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 11611.html
Well here is a journalist making capital of the disappearance of #CameronMustGo from the trending stats ...

What is the political persuasion of Rentoul - does anyone know? He's similar to Hodges in that he's dismissive and sarky of everything Miliband does or says ... but his so called tribalism isn't stated.

Rentoul is one of those fanatical Blairites who genuinely sees Cameron as his "heir".

And yes, he despises Ed.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:06 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Daily catch-up: Ed Miliband’s unpopular policies on votes at 16, climate change and hashtags
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 11611.html
Well here is a journalist making capital of the disappearance of #CameronMustGo from the trending stats ...

What is the political persuasion of Rentoul - does anyone know? He's similar to Hodges in that he's dismissive and sarky of everything Miliband does or says ... but his so called tribalism isn't stated.

I've just read it. The only one calling the policies unpopular is the author.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:07 pm

http://metro.co.uk/2011/08/11/uk-riots- ... wn-117028/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
CMG - someone just reminded us of this from the Riot year

Prime Minister
David Cameron has suggested that the government plans to block social media services like Twitter as a way of
preventing further riots.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:16 pm

The price tag on the Office of the Police & Crime Commissioner (PCC) on our Council Tax Bill for 2014/2015 is
12.4% of the total.

Meanwhile, nearly
16,000 police officers have been lost under the Tory-led Government...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:30 pm

Ian Barr @kickybarr
RT @jon_swindon: Please continue to use #CameronMustGo until Saturday. Stop using it and they win. Simple as that.

FROM CMG just now

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:45 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/cam ... re-4774206" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On CMG

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:46 pm

And on Mike from NewCross

Imran ® @the_photographr
@mrjamesob for a man who has nothing Mike still looks to help others. What a man, what a man. Speechless.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 12:56 pm

Afternoon all
How easy or not is it to make up articles and put them on wayback machine, does anyone know?
I ask because this (link in a sec) simply does not read true.
"EXCLUSIVE: Nigel Farage explains his party’s attitude to women"
“maybe it’s because I’ve got so many women pregnant over the years that I have a different view”

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2014/05/n ... the-years/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Despite the intense scrutiny on UKIP, the quotes had remained unrepeated for nine years because they were only available in web archive out of the reach of Google

When you click into the article there is a passage that says....
UP Front: Alright then, what do you think Mrs Bloom thought of Godfrey's comment about Yorkshire women not cleaning behind the fridge enough?

That (the Godfrey quote) only happened last year, so I'm baffled as to how the interview has been hidden for nine years.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101219145 ... rectory=88" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not sticking up for Garage but I don't like dirty play in politics and find this deliberate smear - if that's what it is - a bit sickening. I would hate to see something like this done to EdM, and my own principals don't allow me to feel anything but contempt for a person who would make up this kind of thing.
(Political ScrapBook are tweeting it as "true")

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:24 pm

I'm confused AAW, the date on the Political Scrapbook link is from May 2014.

Why has it exploded again today ?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:27 pm

yahyah wrote:I'm confused AAW, the date on the Political Scrapbook link is from May 2014.

Why has it exploded again today ?

Political Scrap book are tweeting it.....don't know why

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:30 pm

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/d ... xy8XaLwxKl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Twitter Trends are automatically generated by an algorithm that attempts to identify topics that are being talked about more right now than they were previously. The Trends list is designed to help people discover the ‘most breaking’ breaking news from across the world, in real-time. The Trends list captures the hottest emerging topics, not just what’s most popular.

Well between Dec 7 and 8 CMG was talked about far more times in one day than it had been in any of the previous 15 days. Best case scenario that's a pretty poxy algorithm.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:32 pm

Breaking news: Sun reporter Nick Parker cleared of aiding and abetting misconduct in a public office but convicted of handling Labour MP Siobhain McDonagh's stolen mobile.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:38 pm

I just sort of" stumbled "down the stairs this morning I'm bit concerned if that incurs a sanction; is there a phone number to check ?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:38 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/d ... xy8XaLwxKl

Twitter Trends are automatically generated by an algorithm that attempts to identify topics that are being talked about more right now than they were previously. The Trends list is designed to help people discover the ‘most breaking’ breaking news from across the world, in real-time. The Trends list captures the hottest emerging topics, not just what’s most popular.
Well between Dec 7 and 8 CMG was talked about far more times in one day than it had been in any of the previous 15 days. Best case scenario that's a pretty poxy algorithm.

If you think about what Twitter is trying to do it makes sense. If it didn't do this you would have to search through multiple layers of trending old stuff to find new stuff.

Or to put it another way, CMG isn't a trend it is now part of the established landscape.

Twitter really just needs two lists, trends and popular stuff.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:41 pm

HindleA wrote:I just sort of" stumbled "down the stairs this morning I'm bit concerned if that incurs a sanction; is there a phone number to check ?

Are you okay? Are you hurt? Do you need help?

edited to note - I thought you had an appointment & fell down the stairs - I think you're joking. I'm a dreadful bore.

WelshIan · Post by **WelshIan** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:42 pm

That same Up Front interview with Nigel Farage can be found on .... the Up Front web site!
http://www.upfront-live.com/index.php?o ... =48:europe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The site does, though, look to be defunct and inactive since 2011.

So, we come back to AAW's point, how does the question about Bloom get in there?

It's not as if there isn't enough ammo on Farage that something has to be made up.
Whether the quote is true or not, something is not right with this story, I'll be interested to see how this plays out.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:43 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/d ... xy8XaLwxKl

Twitter Trends are automatically generated by an algorithm that attempts to identify topics that are being talked about more right now than they were previously. The Trends list is designed to help people discover the ‘most breaking’ breaking news from across the world, in real-time. The Trends list captures the hottest emerging topics, not just what’s most popular.
Well between Dec 7 and 8 CMG was talked about far more times in one day than it had been in any of the previous 15 days. Best case scenario that's a pretty poxy algorithm.

According to Private Eye, Twitter will happily take £30,000 to put a company on its "trending" list for a period of time.

Also - apparently, even when a hashtag is retweeted by the million, it can only remain in the trends for so long before its replaced.

Whilst I wouldn't put it past this hideous government, I don't think it is guilty of censorship this time.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:45 pm

HindleA wrote:I just sort of" stumbled "down the stairs this morning I'm bit concerned if that incurs a sanction; is there a phone number to check ?

No Hindle. What you have to do .... under IDS's new positive regime to prevent stumbling into sanctions is:

Pick up a card from the top of the pile marked CHANCE

Read what it says and do it. No further stumbling allowed - just do it.

As all the chance cards all say ... Go straight to jail - do not collect any money. That's what you'll be doing.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:52 pm

citizenJA wrote:The price tag on the Office of the Police & Crime Commissioner (PCC) on our Council Tax Bill for 2014/2015 is
12.4% of the total.

Meanwhile, nearly
16,000 police officers have been lost under the Tory-led Government...

I'm adding to my own post here because I want to clarify my intention for posting. The trend in crime rate, even given not reporting crime contributes to lower crime statistics, is that the crime rate is largely going down. I know, that's a huge generalisation - some crimes are rising.

I posted what I did because I hadn't realised how expensive PCCs are.

12.4% of our Council Tax bill 2014/2015

Madness.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 09 Dec, 2014 1:57 pm

citizenJA wrote:
citizenJA wrote:The price tag on the Office of the Police & Crime Commissioner (PCC) on our Council Tax Bill for 2014/2015 is
12.4% of the total.

Meanwhile, nearly
16,000 police officers have been lost under the Tory-led Government...
I'm adding to my own post here because I want to clarify my intention for posting. The trend in crime rate, even given not reporting crime contributes to lower crime statistics, is that the crime rate is largely going down. I know, that's a huge generalisation - some crimes are rising.

I posted what I did because I hadn't realised how expensive PCCs are.

12.4% of our Council Tax bill 2014/2015

Madness.

Agree and so do Labour, that's why they will be scraped when they win next year.