Tuesday 25th October 2022

Post by **refitman** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 6:41 am

Morning all.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 9:01 am

Morning refit

Truss's little foray into Number Ten, while losing all the rest of you some £££'s, has won her a free car !

And she will still have transport. While sacked cabinet ministers immediately lose the chauffeur-driven vehicle that comes with the job, former prime ministers are entitled to a government car in perpetuity, along with security.

This is pushing it a bit —

” Aged just 47 and a former accountant, she could certainly make a living outside politics, even if not on the level of Johnson or even of Theresa May, who combines being a backbencher with earning £100,000-plus a time giving speeches to US corporations. ”

She was for 4 or 5 years a management trainee at Shell, qualifying ACMA in 1999 before moving to sales at C&W in 2000.

Hardly an experienced accountant ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -backbench

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:29 am

Thread from an Australian doc but relevant to all.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1584 ... 49793.html

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:43 am

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 11:40 am

Yes, he gets something important - for a lot of the political/media complex who hammered Corbyn "BEING IN CHARGE" matters much more than actual policy.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 11:46 am

gilsey wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:29 am Thread from an Australian doc but relevant to all.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1584 ... 49793.html

Thanks gilsey ! Was already following him, but hadn't yet seen. It confirms everything I / we've been seeing increasingly for months now, that the Western Establishment in all its glory has decided (in concertation ?) to let public health go hang .

On Toady yesterday morning Dr Waite (successor to van Tam) gave his recipe for success against SARS COV19 --

" Wash your hands and stay at home if sick ! " ...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 12:03 pm

Didn't see it, but apparently Truss was very much "je ne regrette rien" in her number 10 departure statement.

Almost incredibly, can see a "stabbed in the back" myth developing around her in certain rightwing circles.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 12:58 pm

Excellent.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 1:43 pm

Unfortunately, also looks very possible that Braverman is making a quick return.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 2:19 pm

And another one...the only thing I saw Malthouse do was to visit Michaela - is it part of the job description that every Edu Sec has to go there?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 2:26 pm

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 2:47 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 2:19 pm And another one...the only thing I saw Malthouse do was to visit Michaela - is it part of the job description that every Edu Sec has to go there?

In the year below me at Newcastle University, by all accounts he doesn't appear to have changed much since then.

(not really a compliment btw)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 2:51 pm

I guess from these appointments we'll see whether the Culture Wars stuff will continue.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 4:38 pm

This bit from the LB looks very reassuring ?

" When he ran for the Tory leadership in the summer, his promise about getting rid of EU law went beyond even hers. He pledged to review all 2,400 EU regulations still on the UK statute book, with the first set of recommendations made “within the first 100 days”. (See 9.06am.)."

NOT .
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£ approaches $1.15 gilt yields down 6-10 bp's

Wonder how long that lasts !

Because if serious success would need some sort of rapprochement with the EU, exactly when are we going to see signs of that ?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 5:01 pm

He may of course prefer to forget at least some of those "campaign pledges" now.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 5:03 pm

Just seen this -- a nice possibility to outflank Starmer perhaps ?

And also to do some good, but I don't know if the boy has it in him .

All depends how many ERGists in cabinet ?

" But there is a new possibility. The EU has held out an olive branch: to join a grouping of European countries that don’t want to be part of the EU but do want to benefit from its single market and many collaborative bodies.

This in my view is a perfect moment for our new prime minister, Rishi Sunak, to pivot and send a clear signal globally that we have listened and learned, and that we are going to take sensible steps to restore our reputation for pragmatism and economic sensibility. This would mean not pandering to the European Research Group and rightwing thinktanks, which have been instrumental in much of the chaos of recent months and weeks. Politically it would be a brave shift, and economically a very pragmatic one. In doing so we would be able to re-engage in markets across Europe and start a new responsible growth coalition that we can be all be proud of. "

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rexit-lies

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 5:04 pm

And yes, she is back at the Home Office. Just an awful, awful person.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 5:22 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 5:04 pm And yes, she is back at the Home Office. Just an awful, awful person.

A bad sign .

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 5:29 pm

I hadn't really appreciated the link that Braverman has with John Hayes. I picked up on him using the Cultural Marxism crap in the Commons a while back.

But how on earth can she be re-appointed?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 5:46 pm

frog222 wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 5:03 pm Just seen this -- a nice possibility to outflank Starmer perhaps ?

And also to do some good, but I don't know if the boy has it in him .

All depends how many ERGists in cabinet ?

" But there is a new possibility. The EU has held out an olive branch: to join a grouping of European countries that don’t want to be part of the EU but do want to benefit from its single market and many collaborative bodies.

This in my view is a perfect moment for our new prime minister, Rishi Sunak, to pivot and send a clear signal globally that we have listened and learned, and that we are going to take sensible steps to restore our reputation for pragmatism and economic sensibility. This would mean not pandering to the European Research Group and rightwing thinktanks, which have been instrumental in much of the chaos of recent months and weeks. Politically it would be a brave shift, and economically a very pragmatic one. In doing so we would be able to re-engage in markets across Europe and start a new responsible growth coalition that we can be all be proud of. "
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rexit-lies

People talk about the Tories "outflanking" Labour on stuff far, far, FAR more than it ever actually happens.

And also, Brexit is one of the things where this is least likely of all - and will be for the foreseeable,

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 6:16 pm

AK --- only looking at possibilities, not making predictions .

What pledges has Starmer made NOT to rejoin the Single Market ?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:00 pm

Anyway this Cabinet surely shows that the Tories are going to be trying to "outflank" Labour on the square root of f*** all.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:11 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:00 pm Anyway this Cabinet surely shows that the Tories are going to be trying to "outflank" Labour on the square root of f*** all.

As I wrote above, before we knew who would be in the cabinet --

And also to do some good, but I don't know if the boy has it in him .

All depends how many ERGists in cabinet ?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:14 pm

And i am just saying that scepticism on such things is (almost) always justified

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:17 pm

Amazing that this man is still alive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:25 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:14 pm And i am just saying that scepticism on such things is (almost) always justified

Generating hypotheses just gives an idea of the range of possibilities available ?

One wonders sometimes if there is more to people than meets the eye ... one even HOPES in the case of the boy Sunak, but he is more and more appearing to be as bad as he's always looked

Ker plunk !

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 7:35 pm

LB

“Simon Hart, chief whip
Hart served in Boris Johnson’s cabinet as Wales secretary before resigning in July 2022. He is a staunch remainer and his appointment suggests Sunak is taking a different approach to restoring harmony within the party.”

OTOH keeping Cruella and the ghastly Coffey ?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 8:16 pm

Post by **refitman** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 8:47 pm

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 8:57 pm

Evening.

Anything happen while I was away?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 9:15 pm

refitman wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 8:47 pm

He already seems to have changed his assessment following the Braverman news, mind.

Post by **refitman** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 9:39 pm

Whoops

Post by **refitman** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 9:50 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 9:15 pm
He already seems to have changed his assessment following the Braverman news, mind.

Yes, but it's awfully telling that that was his first reaction.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:05 pm

I was following the Guardian live blog on my phone in the pub on Sunday evening and had the pleasure of informing everyone that Johnson had given up. There was a genuine sense of celebration, more out of relief than anything else, and the landlord gave me a free pint. The next time anyone tries to tell me Johnson is popular I'll remember those heady moments.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:36 pm

@frog222

Concertina?

I'm afraid the video is age restricted so you just get the sound. Or at least I hope you get something.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:40 pm

Oh, you get the whole thing if you click on the youtube bar. I've just found that out. Apologies if it's not your cup of tea.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:41 pm

Sky'sGoneOut wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:05 pm I was following the Guardian live blog on my phone in the pub on Sunday evening and had the pleasure of informing everyone that Johnson had given up. There was a genuine sense of celebration, more out of relief than anything else, and the landlord gave me a free pint. The next time anyone tries to tell me Johnson is popular I'll remember those heady moments.

It would help if the BBC didn't seem to only ever interview his supporters in their wretched "vox pops".

(not just in the last few days either, they actually managed to do one like that on the day of the meltdown that ousted him)

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:47 pm

Just to clarify, this wasn't some trendy bar, it was my Dad's local that I don't think has been decorated since about 1976. It's full of pensioner brexiters. The night before one of them was asking me if I thought any of 'those illegals in boats' might land on the beach nearby and I'm afraid to say I caused offence by bursting out laughing. When I told one of them that I lived in Leeds he asked how I could stand living amongst so many darkies and the landlord's wife hasn't visited her sister in Barnsley for 20 years because she thinks the place has too many Muslims.

They're not all like that, including my Dad I'm happy to say, but most of them are and even they've had enough of Johnson's antics. If he can't even attract daft racist pensioners any more his chances of making a triumphant comeback somewhere down the line look exceedingly slim.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 11:16 pm

PorFavor wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:40 pm Apologies if it's not your cup of tea.

I like to think I'm pretty broad minded but what the fuck was that?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 11:27 pm

No idea - it came up when I was looking for concertina music that wasn't an Irish reel. I thought that the video had been blocked but, as I later discovered, it hadn't. I didn't watch it all through - did it get worse as it went on? I rather enjoyed the music.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Tue 25 Oct, 2022 11:50 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: ↑Tue 25 Oct, 2022 10:41 pm It would help if the BBC didn't seem to only ever interview his supporters in their wretched "vox pops".

Why do they always interview market stall owners like they're somehow fonts of political wisdom?

And why is it always the 'working class' stalls? Fishmongers, butchers and the like.

They never interview the middle class weirdos selling really bad pottery or terrible art.

I saw a painting recently at a stall in Leeds indoor market that was meant to be a fox but looked more like a peculiarly deformed monkey with a bushy tail and snout. I must have stood there for a good couple of minutes chortling and wondering who the hell thought it was worth £35. It had thumbs.

Sky'sGoneOut · Post by **Sky'sGoneOut** » Wed 26 Oct, 2022 12:21 am

Here's the obligatory I've been visiting the folks photo. I won't post any photos of the beaches because they were covered in dead birds all the way down the coast as far as we explored. Mostly guillemots as far as I could tell from the remains. Poor wee things. Nobody has seen bird flu like this before.