Your day sounds just like mine. I'm sorry the only good news I can give you is your day sounds like my own.rebeccariots2 wrote:Please somebody post some good news.
I'm having one of those days ... one bit of bad news after another. Well actually it started yesterday when I saw in our local paper that the Electoral Commission are consulting on the boundary changes which would chuck North Pembs in with Ceredigion ---- bye bye any chance of Labour representation if it comes to pass, hello Plaid Cymru (uuuugggghhh) or Lib Dem (double uuuugggghhh). Now we've got Matthew d'Ancona coming in to big up the right wing support team at the G. Badgers are going to be killed all over the country regardless the lack of any moral or scientific basis if these Tories and Lib Dems get back in .........
And I have just cancelled the order of the Xmas present I had bought for Mr Riots as I have no confidence it will be delivered. Waited in today as notified. When the hour slot for delivery passed I saw that the email from the delivery co (DPD) had been updated to say they had failed to find our address and to wait for further notification from them. I attempted to ring the supplier as if DPD have failed to find us once, they are unlikely to succeed another time so wanted to arrange an alternative pick up point or give more instructions. I was told the delivery co claim they have been ringing me all day .... the phone is 6 inches away, I've been in all day. That lie made me decide to cancel immediately. Mr Riots will have to be told ...
Thursday, 18th December 2014
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**** me! Just squinted through DFH's Ode to the Blessed Nick, he really isn't any better than a second class WUM..
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Jeez. Nicky Morgan caught lying the same lie a second time by Dilnot, days after he caught her lying the lie a first time.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Hunt just tweeted this.. Not that one, Tristram Hunt.
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How/why are the press letting them get away with all the lies??letsskiptotheleft wrote:Hunt just tweeted this.. Not that one, Tristram Hunt.
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No good news at the mo, will try to find some later, but am just off out for a while.rebeccariots2 wrote:Please somebody post some good news.
I'm having one of those days ... one bit of bad news after another. Well actually it started yesterday when I saw in our local paper that the Electoral Commission are consulting on the boundary changes which would chuck North Pembs in with Ceredigion ---- bye bye any chance of Labour representation if it comes to pass, hello Plaid Cymru (uuuugggghhh) or Lib Dem (double uuuugggghhh). Now we've got Matthew d'Ancona coming in to big up the right wing support team at the G. Badgers are going to be killed all over the country regardless the lack of any moral or scientific basis if these Tories and Lib Dems get back in .........
And I have just cancelled the order of the Xmas present I had bought for Mr Riots as I have no confidence it will be delivered. Waited in today as notified. When the hour slot for delivery passed I saw that the email from the delivery co (DPD) had been updated to say they had failed to find our address and to wait for further notification from them. I attempted to ring the supplier as if DPD have failed to find us once, they are unlikely to succeed another time so wanted to arrange an alternative pick up point or give more instructions. I was told the delivery co claim they have been ringing me all day .... the phone is 6 inches away, I've been in all day. That lie made me decide to cancel immediately. Mr Riots will have to be told ...
Have a hug for now
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all roundcitizenJA wrote:Your day sounds just like mine. I'm sorry the only good news I can give you is your day sounds like my own.rebeccariots2 wrote:Please somebody post some good news.
I'm having one of those days ... one bit of bad news after another. Well actually it started yesterday when I saw in our local paper that the Electoral Commission are consulting on the boundary changes which would chuck North Pembs in with Ceredigion ---- bye bye any chance of Labour representation if it comes to pass, hello Plaid Cymru (uuuugggghhh) or Lib Dem (double uuuugggghhh). Now we've got Matthew d'Ancona coming in to big up the right wing support team at the G. Badgers are going to be killed all over the country regardless the lack of any moral or scientific basis if these Tories and Lib Dems get back in .........
And I have just cancelled the order of the Xmas present I had bought for Mr Riots as I have no confidence it will be delivered. Waited in today as notified. When the hour slot for delivery passed I saw that the email from the delivery co (DPD) had been updated to say they had failed to find our address and to wait for further notification from them. I attempted to ring the supplier as if DPD have failed to find us once, they are unlikely to succeed another time so wanted to arrange an alternative pick up point or give more instructions. I was told the delivery co claim they have been ringing me all day .... the phone is 6 inches away, I've been in all day. That lie made me decide to cancel immediately. Mr Riots will have to be told ...
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Rt. Hon. Nicky Morgan MPletsskiptotheleft wrote:Hunt just tweeted this.. Not that one, Tristram Hunt.
http://www.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/r ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Secretary of State for Education
Sanctuary Buildings
Great Smith Street
LONDON
SW1P 3BT
18 December 2014
Dear Secretary of State,
STATISTICS ON LITERACY AND NUMERACY
On 10 December, Hansard reports that you made the following statement in the House of
Commons:
I think that it would be appropriate for you to reconsider these comments.“If the shadow Secretary of State wants to see a failure to prepare young people for the
life of work, he ought to be thinking about the fact that under the previous Labour
Government one in three of our young people were leaving primary school unable to
read and write. That is a shocking statistic.”
You may also wish to take advice on whether the official parliamentary record should be corrected.
Yours sincerely
Sir Andrew Dilnot CBE
You lying disgrace of a Tory front bench government minister.
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Thank you, friends for the hugs. I've had a difficult day. Actually, several days in a row difficult. Good, ultimately, but difficult. Anyway, thank you for the hugs.
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Nick Cohen must be ecstatic.
In It Together: The Inside Story of the Coalition Government by Matthew d'Ancona
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In It Together: The Inside Story of the Coalition Government by Matthew d'Ancona
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citizenJA wrote:Your day sounds just like mine. I'm sorry the only good news I can give you is your day sounds like my own.rebeccariots2 wrote:Please somebody post some good news.
I'm having one of those days ... one bit of bad news after another. Well actually it started yesterday when I saw in our local paper that the Electoral Commission are consulting on the boundary changes which would chuck North Pembs in with Ceredigion ---- bye bye any chance of Labour representation if it comes to pass, hello Plaid Cymru (uuuugggghhh) or Lib Dem (double uuuugggghhh). Now we've got Matthew d'Ancona coming in to big up the right wing support team at the G. Badgers are going to be killed all over the country regardless the lack of any moral or scientific basis if these Tories and Lib Dems get back in .........
And I have just cancelled the order of the Xmas present I had bought for Mr Riots as I have no confidence it will be delivered. Waited in today as notified. When the hour slot for delivery passed I saw that the email from the delivery co (DPD) had been updated to say they had failed to find our address and to wait for further notification from them. I attempted to ring the supplier as if DPD have failed to find us once, they are unlikely to succeed another time so wanted to arrange an alternative pick up point or give more instructions. I was told the delivery co claim they have been ringing me all day .... the phone is 6 inches away, I've been in all day. That lie made me decide to cancel immediately. Mr Riots will have to be told ...
& I managed to superglue my fingers together after striking a blow for feminism and insisting on breaking the house rule that only my husband can be trusted with a tube of Locktite.
It turns out he was right all these years, even more annoying.
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Richard Critchley @CllrCritchley 20m20 minutes ago
The only authority in the North West to see an increase in Government funding was Cheshire East. Coincidence, Mr Osborne?
Diane Abbott MP retweeted
Simon Mares @SimonMaresITV 5h5 hours ago
Stumbling delivery by minister Kris Hopkins as he details council cuts to MPs - not helped by a running commentary by his boss Eric Pickles.
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I'm trying desperately to find the silver lining in that one yahyah .... only thing I can come up with is at least it was only your fingers, and for pete's sake don't tell him (husband) unless you absolutely have to.yahyah wrote: & I managed to superglue my fingers together after striking a blow for feminism and insisting on breaking the house rule that only my husband can be trusted with a tube of Locktite.
It turns out he was right all these years, even more annoying.
But thank you very much for the solidarity FTNers.
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Labour on course to squeeze the Greens in 2015
A new poll shows a third of current Green supporters plan to vote for Miliband's party at the general election.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... reens-2015" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A new poll shows a third of current Green supporters plan to vote for Miliband's party at the general election.
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Tower Hamlets down by 5%. Hackney and Newham a bit more. I suppose we probably can replace that income more easily than some places, but it's still a lot of money.rebeccariots2 wrote:chi onwurah retweeted
Richard Critchley @CllrCritchley 20m20 minutes ago
The only authority in the North West to see an increase in Government funding was Cheshire East. Coincidence, Mr Osborne?
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Stumbling delivery by minister Kris Hopkins as he details council cuts to MPs - not helped by a running commentary by his boss Eric Pickles.
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I would like to declare a LIB DEM HOUR from 6 to 7pm today. This is the equivalent of a Happy Hour ... where we can only post things that enable us to delude ourselves into thinking all is well in the real political world we live in ....
Of course, given that all is far from well in the real political world we live in .... this means posting news - and managing to put a deluded positive spin on it regardless of how bloody dire it is.
Remember I am PM ... you can, of course, defenestrate me as part of LIB DEM HOUR.
Of course, given that all is far from well in the real political world we live in .... this means posting news - and managing to put a deluded positive spin on it regardless of how bloody dire it is.
Remember I am PM ... you can, of course, defenestrate me as part of LIB DEM HOUR.
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Thank you, my Green friends!Spacedone wrote:Labour on course to squeeze the Greens in 2015
A new poll shows a third of current Green supporters plan to vote for Miliband's party at the general election.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... reens-2015" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Erm, do you mean something like this? ''Royal Mail, Vince vinicated'' ??rebeccariots2 wrote:I would like to declare a LIB DEM HOUR from 6 to 7pm today. This is the equivalent of a Happy Hour ... where we can only post things that enable us to delude ourselves into thinking all is well in the real political world we live in ....
Of course, given that all is far from well in the real political world we live in .... this means posting news - and managing to put a deluded positive spin on it regardless of how bloody dire it is.
Remember I am PM ... you can, of course, defenestrate me as part of LIB DEM HOUR.
http://www.libdemvoice.org/vinces-royal ... 43816.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Absolutely. That's the spirit!letsskiptotheleft wrote:Erm, do you mean something like this? ''Royal Mail, Vince vinicated'' ??rebeccariots2 wrote:I would like to declare a LIB DEM HOUR from 6 to 7pm today. This is the equivalent of a Happy Hour ... where we can only post things that enable us to delude ourselves into thinking all is well in the real political world we live in ....
Of course, given that all is far from well in the real political world we live in .... this means posting news - and managing to put a deluded positive spin on it regardless of how bloody dire it is.
Remember I am PM ... you can, of course, defenestrate me as part of LIB DEM HOUR.
http://www.libdemvoice.org/vinces-royal ... 43816.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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I hope you find space to say that Vince Cable is a politician of rare distinction etc....rebeccariots2 wrote:I would like to declare a LIB DEM HOUR from 6 to 7pm today. This is the equivalent of a Happy Hour ... where we can only post things that enable us to delude ourselves into thinking all is well in the real political world we live in ....
Of course, given that all is far from well in the real political world we live in .... this means posting news - and managing to put a deluded positive spin on it regardless of how bloody dire it is.
Remember I am PM ... you can, of course, defenestrate me as part of LIB DEM HOUR.
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Or indeed this attempt to polish a turd?
http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-mps- ... 43825.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't know what I feel more, pity for Caron Lindsay or contempt, being nice, most of the time I will try pity.
http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-mps- ... 43825.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't know what I feel more, pity for Caron Lindsay or contempt, being nice, most of the time I will try pity.
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Is there a full list anywhere of which councils are being cut and which are gaining?
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I just can't let that go. You awful person, you Tory Chancellor & your awful government, too.chi onwurah retweeted
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The only authority in the North West to see an increase in Government funding was Cheshire East. Coincidence, Mr Osborne?
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Almost feel sorry for him. He looks like he's going to cry.
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F*ck her (pardon my French).letsskiptotheleft wrote:Or indeed this attempt to polish a turd?
http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-mps- ... 43825.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't know what I feel more, pity for Caron Lindsay or contempt, being nice, most of the time I will try pity.
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That really is a stonker.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Or indeed this attempt to polish a turd?
http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-mps- ... 43825.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't know what I feel more, pity for Caron Lindsay or contempt, being nice, most of the time I will try pity.
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Yeah, you're right, and her wretched party.refitman wrote:F*ck her (pardon my French).letsskiptotheleft wrote:Or indeed this attempt to polish a turd?
http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-mps- ... 43825.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't know what I feel more, pity for Caron Lindsay or contempt, being nice, most of the time I will try pity.
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http://academiesweek.co.uk/school-trave ... cut-by-6m/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Glad they're just cutting Labour's waste and not hitting the frontline.
Glad they're just cutting Labour's waste and not hitting the frontline.
There's a free school in the pipeline that's costing seven times the whole amount.The government has slashed school travel funding by £6 million, forcing local authorities to consider making cuts elsewhere.
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Actually, d'Ancona isn't so bad - at worst he is another Glover but a much better writer with it.
And he seemed to be toning down the pro-Dave sycophancy he could occasionally indulge in, before the Torygraph dumped him.
And he seemed to be toning down the pro-Dave sycophancy he could occasionally indulge in, before the Torygraph dumped him.
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
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d'Ancona was one of their best writers ... despite, as you say the obeisance to Dave. What made them get rid of him and keep Hodges is the question?AnatolyKasparov wrote:Actually, d'Ancona isn't so bad - at worst he is another Glover but a much better writer with it.
And he seemed to be toning down the pro-Dave sycophancy he could occasionally indulge in, before the Torygraph dumped him.
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Nice sighting of the "Labour did the same" nonsense.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Or indeed this attempt to polish a turd?
http://www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-mps- ... 43825.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't know what I feel more, pity for Caron Lindsay or contempt, being nice, most of the time I will try pity.
Have hopefully put her right.
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Oh yes, the stuff about Labour on the Bedroom Tax we talked about. It might be a result of this pile of pants, from a blog I gather is influential.
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I notice none of the kids are actually tasting their own mince pie ... some of them studiously looking away from Clegg, one looking at him intently as he goes to take a bite. It's almost as though they know they've put something nasty in the mix ... and he doesn't. It's not a comfy looking Clegg though, I agree.yahyah wrote:
Almost feel sorry for him. He looks like he's going to cry.
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But hey .... look on the bright side. New rules by IDS will mean the taxpayer will only have to pay benefit for the first two children ... so the costs will all even out according to Osobornomics. Clever stuff eh.Pat Glass retweeted
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Teen pregnancies set to soar because of Government cuts to prevention services
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A commentator on the G threads pointed out the ancient Hebrew name, 'Gideon', means 'Destroyer'.
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It's the body language, he doesn't seem to have endeared himself to them.yahyah wrote:
Almost feel sorry for him. He looks like he's going to cry.
I assume they've all been cooking together for some period of time.
Is this his bacon butty picture? (bear in mind Miliband's photo was a still frame chosen from video footage).
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Saw that earlier.Tubby Isaacs wrote:http://academiesweek.co.uk/school-trave ... cut-by-6m/
Glad they're just cutting Labour's waste and not hitting the frontline.
There's a free school in the pipeline that's costing seven times the whole amount.The government has slashed school travel funding by £6 million, forcing local authorities to consider making cuts elsewhere.
Also saw that we're spending a few million on being the best ion the world at...character education.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/engl ... -character
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His apron is a very nice colour though. Really really suits him.diGriz wrote:It's the body language, he doesn't seem to have endeared himself to them.yahyah wrote:
Almost feel sorry for him. He looks like he's going to cry.
I assume they've all been cooking together for some period of time.
Is this his bacon butty picture? (bear in mind Miliband's photo was a still frame chosen from video footage).
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What's this then?
It's a bendy bus, driving around Leicester. It turns out that these things, reviled by Johnson in that superior way of his, are actual quite good at picking up lots of people quickly.
The chance of his own buses tortoising their way round other towns and cities in 10 years time aren't very high.
It's a bendy bus, driving around Leicester. It turns out that these things, reviled by Johnson in that superior way of his, are actual quite good at picking up lots of people quickly.
The chance of his own buses tortoising their way round other towns and cities in 10 years time aren't very high.
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As is often said on this forum this man is contemptible . I can't imagine Brown, Blair, Major (or even Thatcher for that matter) showing such indifference to the responsibilities of high office.Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 3m3 minutes ago
So Cameron left early Northern Ireland peace talks early to go to an Ibiza-style rave for his wife's 40th in Chequers. FFS
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Saw that earlier.Tubby Isaacs wrote:http://academiesweek.co.uk/school-trave ... cut-by-6m/
Glad they're just cutting Labour's waste and not hitting the frontline.
There's a free school in the pipeline that's costing seven times the whole amount.The government has slashed school travel funding by £6 million, forcing local authorities to consider making cuts elsewhere.
Also saw that we're spending a few million on being the best ion the world at...character education.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/engl ... -character
Character education seems to involve a lot of debating. Though funnily enough speaking has been kicked out of GCSE English.
Remember too the stellar performance of Greenwich Free School, run by some university debating pals.
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Money. d'Ancona is a proper writer who probably commanded a hefty fee, Hodges is a publicity hound with a grudge who would happily turn out his weekly dogrel in exchange for a free biscuit. I bet the Telegraph pay him a pittance compared to most of their other commentators.rebeccariots2 wrote:d'Ancona was one of their best writers ... despite, as you say the obeisance to Dave. What made them get rid of him and keep Hodges is the question?AnatolyKasparov wrote:Actually, d'Ancona isn't so bad - at worst he is another Glover but a much better writer with it.
And he seemed to be toning down the pro-Dave sycophancy he could occasionally indulge in, before the Torygraph dumped him.
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This should be a major, major story in the press should it not?rearofthestore wrote:As is often said on this forum this man is contemptible . I can't imagine Brown, Blair, Major (or even Thatcher for that matter) showing such indifference to the responsibilities of high office.Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 3m3 minutes ago
So Cameron left early Northern Ireland peace talks early to go to an Ibiza-style rave for his wife's 40th in Chequers. FFS
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Oh for some leaked pics of that 'rave'. Dad dancing to the trillionth power ...diGriz wrote:This should be a major, major story in the press should it not?rearofthestore wrote:As is often said on this forum this man is contemptible . I can't imagine Brown, Blair, Major (or even Thatcher for that matter) showing such indifference to the responsibilities of high office.Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 3m3 minutes ago
So Cameron left early Northern Ireland peace talks early to go to an Ibiza-style rave for his wife's 40th in Chequers. FFS
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I was going to find some amusing related picture and post it but having searched with google for David Cameron dancing I regret looking.rebeccariots2 wrote:Oh for some leaked pics of that 'rave'. Dad dancing to the trillionth power ...diGriz wrote:This should be a major, major story in the press should it not?rearofthestore wrote: As is often said on this forum this man is contemptible . I can't imagine Brown, Blair, Major (or even Thatcher for that matter) showing such indifference to the responsibilities of high office.
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Re: Thursday, 18th December 2014
Horribly plausible.Lord Snoutintrough @Rowland72James Dec 17
Eliminating poverty by eradicating poor people The Duncan smith report @Marshall5Sharon @gobrot4 pic.twitter.com/hKbPCaTzoX
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Re: Thursday, 18th December 2014
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Oh I wish you hadn't made me look too.diGriz wrote:I was going to find some amusing related picture and post it but having searched with google for David Cameron dancing I regret looking.rebeccariots2 wrote:Oh for some leaked pics of that 'rave'. Dad dancing to the trillionth power ...diGriz wrote: This should be a major, major story in the press should it not?
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oh, thanks a lot, RR2, wonderful imagery that - sorry, sorry - it's the LibDem Hour.rebeccariots2 wrote:Oh for some leaked pics of that 'rave'. Dad dancing to the trillionth power ...diGriz wrote:This should be a major, major story in the press should it not?rearofthestore wrote: As is often said on this forum this man is contemptible . I can't imagine Brown, Blair, Major (or even Thatcher for that matter) showing such indifference to the responsibilities of high office.
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Re: Thursday, 18th December 2014
Anyone?Jamie Reed retweeted
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Row over suspension of Theresa May aides as Tory candidates turning toxic. Am told Cab Office failed 7 times to ok phone canvassing by spads
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