Saturday 25th & Sunday 26th February 2023

[refitman]

Morning all.

[refitman]

Veg Watch!

No cucumbers or tomatoes in Tesco. Lidl had some though.

Veg Watch ends.

[refitman]

[frog222]

[AnatolyKasparov]

Veg Watch!

No cucumbers or tomatoes in Tesco. Lidl had some though.

Veg Watch ends.

My patch was completely out of tomatoes yesterday.

[PaulfromYorkshire]

Neuralgic bear strangely rejoins Labour (7,6).

[AnatolyKasparov]

She was the 2019 defector for whom many mainstream Labour people felt the most sympathy.

[frog222]

[refitman]

[refitman]

Neuralgic bear strangely rejoins Labour (7,6).

[AnatolyKasparov]

Good morefternoon, all.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

As a Man United supporter with Geordie mates who often drinks in a pub run by Geordies with pictures of Newcastle United all over the walls that result was most satisfying and will continue to provide smug satisfaction for some time to come.

[frog222]

[AnatolyKasparov]

As a Man United supporter with Geordie mates who often drinks in a pub run by Geordies with pictures of Newcastle United all over the walls that result was most satisfying and will continue to provide smug satisfaction for some time to come.

Media was so incredibly slanted beforehand, at times you might have wondered who Newcastle were actually playing.

(the coverage before the LC final between Arsenal and Birmingham 12 years ago was just as bad, it didn't go the way they wanted that time either)

[Sky'sGoneOut]

I picked up a collection of Sci-fi stories from pulp magazines in the 40's and 50's from a charity shop yesterday. Most of the stories are absolute dross but the most striking thing is their depiction and treatment of women. It would seem that if you were a male geek writing Science Fiction in the mid Twentieth Century women had three roles, to be ogled, patronised, or threatened with physical or sexual violence. Even a supposedly ahead of his time 'progressive' writer like James H Shmitz is at it. A couple are sheltering in their cellar while their isolated rural lodge is being attacked by a giant green tentacled blob and at one point he turns to her and says, "Are you going to do what I tell you or am I going to have to knock you out cold?" She even thanks him for it later. In another an alien woman (obviously beautiful) is literally kidnapped and kept confined and drugged for the sexual gratification of the captain of a ship. While in another a female scientist finds she's only been employed on a research project as part of a honeytrap. It's meant to be a humorous story because the idea of a senior female scientist is apparently hilarious, especially a good looking one.

Being a child of the Seventies it's almost inconceivable to imagine that attitudes like this prevailed a mere decade before I was born. It's often trendy to try to play down the importance of the 1960's in transforming social attitudes but by the Seventies if my Dad had offered to knock my Mum out she'd have either battered him senseless or left. Things had changed and it's little wonder a lot of women see any threat to that as something which needs to be fought.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

Media was so incredibly slanted beforehand, at times you might have wondered who Newcastle were actually playing.

Yes plucky Newcastle who haven't won anything for a thousand years and all that, but let's not mention the big green and white elephant in the room.

Never in my life have I had so many people telling me, a Man Utd fan, that they wanted us to win. For the last 30 years it's been quite the opposite. The Geordies might like to think nobody cares about the Saudi's owning them but my experience of the last few weeks says otherwise.

We should enjoy it while we can before the inevitable Qatari takeover happens. At that point I'll be done.

Fortunately I have another team in the Scottish Lowland league to support where it costs more for a half time pie and cup of tea than to get into the ground.

[frog222]

Great series of interviews --

[Sky'sGoneOut]

It's good to see the British left including John McDonnell distancing themselves from Corbyn and 'Stop the war's' stupidity.

Quite why leftists would effectively call for the appeasement of an autocratic tyrant responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths is quite beyond me. And it's not just the death, it's the torture and rape and the kidnapping of children.

And these clowns want to stop arms being sent to Ukraine while asking for a ceasefire?

I was politicised by the Iraq war and Blair palling around with George W Bush. It was sickening bullshit and I'll never forget Baghdad lit up like a deadly firework show on that first night of 'shock and awe.'

It was wrong.

Just as Putin trying (somewhat less successfully) to subdue Ukraine is wrong.

For an international socialist it shouldn't matter where the bombs come from but apparently it still does and Russian bombs are less objectionable for historic reasons.

Fucking twats.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

In case I wasn't clear that final invective was aimed at the 'tankie' left.

I wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire and that includes Corbyn.

Can you imagine him turning up in Kharkiv and telling people who've had their kids abducted to god knows where in Russia to sue for peace?

Clown.

[refitman]

Jerumbly Crombly!

He's not in power, hell he's not even a Labour MP anymore. Why the fuck does it even matter?

Maybe spend more time getting angry at MPs taking money from Russian business men and not even being censured over it.

[Sky'sGoneOut]

Jerumbly Crombly!

He's not in power, hell he's not even a Labour MP anymore. Why the fuck does it even matter?

Maybe spend more time getting angry at MPs taking money from Russian business men and not even being censured over it.

It matters because thousands of his idiot supporters would rather not vote or vote elsewhere after we voted for the cunt.

[frog222]

It matters because thousands of his idiot supporters would rather not vote or vote elsewhere after we voted for the cunt.

Didn't know what you were on about until I at last looked at yesterday's Guardian --

This weekend the MP for Norwich South, Clive Lewis, a former territorial army officer and shadow defence secretary under Corbyn, questioned why the MoD was selling used Apache helicopters on the open market rather than giving them to the Ukrainians “in their hour of need”.

“Given that we have provided export licences for weapons to regimes with poor human rights records, do we not have an obligation to provide Ukraine with the military equipment it needs to defend its democracy?” Lewis asked.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... to-ukraine

Shome confusion " the ad has (now?) been removed" and --

However, a spokesperson for the MOD said Lewis’s call was based on “out-of-date” information. “We are not selling any Apache helicopters. In fact, we are upgrading 50 Mk1 aircraft as part of the AH-64E programme and the rest of the fleet remain in service with the Army.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... to-ukraine

I notice the quote from Corbyn is from last August !

Good to see some Lefties showing sense ... tho not surprised by Clive .

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The sad truth about the LP, and UK, is that the choice of candidates for chief is so pitifully weak, JC fell int being LOTO tho he'd never managed anything , and apparently never could do so either, and Starmer is a very limited control-freak (with bugger all command of economics etcetc ) as displayed by his treatment of C !

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Hopefully my cramps will not return and I get some bloody sleep ?