Friday 7th April to Monday 10th April 2023

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 7:58 am

Morning all

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 7:58 am

Sorry RFM - forgot to add 2023 to the title ....

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 9:57 am

Damn . No QT last night !

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 10:32 am

tinyclanger2 wrote: ↑Fri 07 Apr, 2023 7:58 am Sorry RFM - forgot to add 2023 to the title ....

No worries, I've only just woken up.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 11:06 am

frog222 wrote: ↑Fri 07 Apr, 2023 9:57 am Damn . No QT last night !

This is indeed a great shame. HOWEVER, today will bring us Gustaph from Belgium. It's early days, but I think we may have a winner.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 12:57 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote: ↑Fri 07 Apr, 2023 7:58 am Sorry RFM - forgot to add 2023 to the title ....

You can still edit it if you want to.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 1:07 pm

Oh dear, Labour seem to have taken aim and blown both feet right off.

They've even lost the likes of Paul Waugh over this messaging.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 1:08 pm

I wonder if heels will be dug in, over it?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 1:39 pm

All I will say for now is that it would have been nice if all these people had been as upset about Braverman's comments earlier in the week.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 2:01 pm

Meanwhile I've tried to edit the header and failed (ie: can't work out how to do it).

Given the existential crisis facing democracy itself, I wonder if there is more we can do to prevent it's downfall.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 2:02 pm

(That's a very loose "we" by the way)

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 2:14 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote: ↑Fri 07 Apr, 2023 2:01 pm Meanwhile I've tried to edit the header and failed (ie: can't work out how to do it).

Given the existential crisis facing democracy itself, I wonder if there is more we can do to prevent it's downfall.

You needed to edit the subject of your first post (I've done it for you)

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 2:16 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: ↑Fri 07 Apr, 2023 1:39 pm All I will say for now is that it would have been nice if all these people had been as upset about Braverman's comments earlier in the week.

*cough*

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 2:16 pm

Oh! Thanks!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 3:47 pm

Tbf would expect Jones to go hard on it, was thinking more about both lobby hacks like Waugh and Corbynite ultras who are only interested in dissing Starmer.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 4:07 pm

Good afternoon.

I see that the SNP's auditors have now decided to quit - the Party imploding nicely...I also note there are calls from the person that lost that they should, therefore, have the leadership election re-run.

Not sure I follow the logic but all adds to the feeling that they are in a bit of a crisis right now.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 4:59 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: ↑Fri 07 Apr, 2023 3:47 pm Tbf would expect Jones to go hard on it, was thinking more about both lobby hacks like Waugh and Corbynite ultras who are only interested in dissing Starmer.

I'm sorry, what? Literally no-one, outside a handful of Labour MPs, think this is a good thing. All Labour have done is paint a bullseye on Starmer for both hypocrisy (he attacked Johnson over "soft on pedos" rhetoric") and the fact that Starmer himself was on the sentencing guidelines committee - so if soft sentences are anyone's fault, it's his.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 5:38 pm

Arch Corbynite *checks notes* Marina Hyde, writing the in the Graun, a paper *checks notes* so left-wing it makes the Indy look like the Mail

But yes, tell me how it's just the people that hate Starmer.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 8:34 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 9:59 pm

Gustaph from Belgium brings us Pure EuroPop for Now People, and his dancers are just ace. Talk about flexible - crikey!

Given my ongoing nostalgia crisis, it will come as absolutely no surprise to hear that many components of "Because of you" reminded me of Various Things From The Past. Gustaph himself brought to mind a rather less-elfin Marc Almond (embellished with beard and baseball cap), while the video was like a polished version of Tales of the Unexpected's opening credits. Marvellous.

Clanger rating:
Was it fun? This was the sort of terrible, joyful nonsense that Eurovision used to be. It was great fun.
Was it dancey? See above.
What would Terry have said about it? I am 100% confident Tezza would have remarked on Gustaph's truly eye-catching outfit.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 10:36 pm

For some reason, Shed Seven are trending on Twitter. This is a banger

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Fri 07 Apr, 2023 11:14 pm

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 6:39 am

Another reply

The same people, or at least those very like them, who launched a dirty tricks campaign against Corbyn , are now exposing their grubby natures to the world .

A magnificent own goal from the Starmer cultists . Counter ads on LABOUR's theme for the undeserving Tories are now all over twitterdom.

I still feel sorry for Emily Thornberry, but remember she signed the BoD's Ten Pledges when she was going for the Leadership. Clive Lewis didn't get so far as that decision, and I hope he would have seen the trap.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 7:43 am

It's a mess - but the world is a very different place. Question now is simply what's the best route to avoiding the worst-case scenario.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 7:44 am

Meanwhile in the run up to Liverpool later today we'll take a look at Croatia.

Gosh.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 7:47 am

Liverpool hosting Eurovision reminds me of a tale about when it was the European City of Culture. JK Rowling had a new book out (don't ask me which one, I neither know nor care) but what's signficant is that someone had stolen some copies from somewhere in Liverpool prior to the launch.

A (Scouse, with accent) acquaintance, described the situation as something along the lines of:

"Scousers eh? Make 'em the City of Culture and they start nicking books instead of cars."

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 9:44 am

Fields now defrosted, and another lovely day here too.

Sister sent me this, unfortunately only readable on a phone .

So the Tory has no redeeming features, just like that LOTO .

Some good ones left in Labour --

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 10:22 am

Gustaph from Belgium deffo a contender.

Re the Labour ads, this is the best response I've seen. Why make up something offensive when the truth is so damning?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 10:50 am

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 10:52 am

EXTERMINATE !

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 12:53 pm

gilsey wrote: ↑Fri 07 Apr, 2023 11:14 pm

Contrary to what some on here seem to think, I have never actually defended the ad in question.

But tbh this sort of stuff misses the point - its nothing to do with polls, its about the Tories still being allowed by most of the media to play politics on easy mode. Braverman came out with the most inflammatory and disgusting stuff earlier in the week, and most lobby hacks just shrugged.

The motivation for this may well have been wanting to give the Tories a taste of their own medicine.

Whether it was conceived or executed as well as it might have been is another question, of course.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 2:03 pm

Labour's ads are now getting context notes, on twitter

Post by **refitman** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 2:15 pm

Oh yeah, happy anniversary of Maggie's death

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 2:47 pm

Good afternoon.

According to the these days very-crankish Matt Goodwin, apparently there is a 'New Elite'. I notice that Goodwin, railing against universities was careful not to disclose where he works these days...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 3:04 pm

There is a terrific old tweet from PolProfBadLoss concerning the 2016 London Mayor election doing the rounds.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 3:44 pm

No results for " @PolProfBadLoss"

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 4:07 pm

Well of course not, but it doesn't exactly need a Sherlockian brain to work out who I meant

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 5:15 pm

Wow, Croatia. So much to say, and yet so impossible to articulate. Let's just say that Let 3's "Mama SC!" defies any meaningful description. There's such a wide range of costumes, interspersed with distressed clown make-up and flag-waving, that it's difficult to understand what we are seeing. (Of course not speaking Croatian is an issue here.) It all seems generally rather dark, in a zany up-beat (and yet dark) kind of way. It also includes a man in a wild coat on an ice-flow. There are sequins, but somehow even they manage to come across as just threatening.

Truly out there. I suspect it's going to do pretty well.

Clanger rating:
Was it fun? I think so - but it depends on what Let 3's derangement was actually conveying
Was it dancey? I was too distracted to notice.
What would Terry have said about it? I have no idea, but he would definitely have said something.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 5:42 pm

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Well of course not, but it doesn't exactly need a Sherlockian brain to work out who I meant

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Just enlarged that gem in case anyone has missed it .

Yet another on for AK to be proud of !

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 08 Apr, 2023 7:07 pm

Come on pal, BadLoss/BadLose is the antonym of......??

Post by **refitman** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 12:18 pm

God, the correct messaging is so easy

Post by **refitman** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 1:54 pm

For the love of god, can someone show Labour HQ how to use Google?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 2:59 pm

In Eurovision news: don't get too excited about Cyprus (I know you might be). Coming soon to a nest near you.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 3:10 pm

Not the first time that SKS has made an "unfortunate" choice of church either (though the first one was probably worse)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 5:14 pm

Am no fan of SKS but am pretty sure there are worse people at large - and while I've withdrawn from the party am still not sure what the alternative to Labour is. Politics is full of career politicians and bullshit, and the world is going to hell. So what's (or what are) the least worst option/s?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 5:15 pm

(I'd be the first to admit I'm deeply jaded, so probably have nothing useful to contribute)

Post by **refitman** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 5:21 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote: ↑Sun 09 Apr, 2023 5:14 pm Am no fan of SKS but am pretty sure there are worse people at large - and while I've withdrawn from the party am still not sure what the alternative to Labour is. Politics is full of career politicians and bullshit, and the world is going to hell. So what's (or what are) the least worst option/s?

It's just that we were all told that the previous leadership was chaotic and unprofessional, and it would all improve, now the 'sensible grown-ups' were in charge.

Since then, it's been a long run of broken promises, lies, back-stabbing and outright bigotry.

I don't want to have to vote for the 'least worst option' (and even that is tenuous at best). It would just be nice to have a party that actually believes in making people's lives better...maybe I'll start looking at the Greens?

Post by **refitman** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 5:23 pm

Now they're briefing against each other to the MoS

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 5:30 pm

Today's stop in our Eurovision odyssey takes us to Cyprus, where Andrew Lambrou dons a leather jacket to whine about ducks flying off to Russia (see the earlier review of Austria's "Who the hell is Edgar"). To be honest I'm perplexed by the massive increase, of late, in the wearing of leather clothing, more of which is displayed here. It reminds me of a night in Lubeck (or was it Hamburg?) many years ago. We'd been noting the preponderance of leather trousers among the German youths at the time, but were still astonished by the sight of a man in a nightclub wearing leather dungarees.

But I digress. Today's host, Andrew, is so upset about a young lady's poor behaviour towards him, that he resorts to the use of falsetto. "You did your best to do your worst" he complains, as flocks of metaphorical ducks fly eastward across the setting sun.

Still, kudos for getting Dave Stewart to play guitar.

Clanger rating:
Was it fun? As a friend in Hamburg (or was it Lubeck?) remarked at the time: "I feel sorry for the cows."
Was it dancey? No
What would Terry have said about it? It's possible he may simply have been polite.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Apr, 2023 5:36 pm

@RFM - it's a mess. Of course you're right. As I say am jaded.
But Eurovision is cheering me up.