Wednesday 20th December 2023

[refitman]

Morning all.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Good morefternoon, all.

I see that the Wellingborough recall petition succeeded.

[refitman]

Labour going for the bigot vote again

[AnatolyKasparov]

I will just ask pro-trans people on here - was absolutely insisting on no restrictions as far as sporting events are concerned, really a hill worth dying on?

Some flexibility on that, and they might have done a better job on carrying public opinion more generally.

But for the time being, they have lost. I doubt that will always be the case, but hopefully lessons will be learned going forward.

[refitman]

I will just ask pro-trans people on here - was absolutely insisting on no restrictions as far as sporting events are concerned, really a hill worth dying on?

Some flexibility on that, and they might have done a better job on carrying public opinion more generally.

But for the time being, they have lost. I doubt that will always be the case, but hopefully lessons will be learned going forward.

Ok, I'll bite. Who's asking for no restrictions for sporting events?

[AnatolyKasparov]

I've seen that view expressed loads of times on social media.

[RogerOThornhill]

The funniest but about this is the assumption - and yes, I know Portes is a bit of a wind up merchant - that Allister Heath has any integrity to start with.

[refitman]

I've seen that view expressed loads of times on social media.

Got a link?

I've seen people say that, at non-competative sports days, it's not really an issue. No-one is asking for unrestricted access for trans people in professional sports.

You know that The Daily Wire had to scrap a planned documentary about the 'issue' of trans kids taking cis kids places in competitive sports, but they had to scrap it because they couldn't find anyone.

[AnatolyKasparov]

Anyway, the Brianna Ghey verdict does sort of put all this in perspective - hateful words have real consequences.

[RogerOThornhill]

I missed this earlier - about time someone called out Wallis Simons. And Kemp can sod off too.

[frog222]

a good one on Russian colonialism and expropriation of culture , erasure of the history of the colonised ....