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danesclose wrote:
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Cameron’s smear attempt on Labour is laughed off the page
http://voxpoliticalonline.com/
You know things re in a bad way for Cameron when Tony Blackburn takes the piss out of him
:lol: That was a lovely touch wasn't it.
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citizenJA wrote:Afternoon, everyone - I've been ill, it's dreadful. I'm cared for & I'll get better. I've been reading posts here trying to sort out my lost thirty-six hours.
Oh no! I'm terribly sorry to hear that. Glad you have someone there to look after you. Just rest up, m'dear, stay snuggled up warm and cosy, and get yourself properly better :hug:

And demand boiled egg and soldiers and that someone reads you a story-book ~ well, that's what I'd do ;) xxx
And find someone to sing Soft Kitty, that is a must. Take it easy, and get yourself properly well.

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Millions of pounds of public money to pay for grey squirrel cull
The Forestry Commission has drawn up plans obliging landowners to rid their estates of grey squirrels

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/w ... -cull.html
Landowners are to be paid millions of pounds of public money to cull grey squirrels under the first national plan for managing their numbers.
Under the scheme, designed to protect red squirrels and woodland, only those who agree to deal with the animals on their land will be eligible for forestry grants from the Government or European Union.
But they will be able to apply for funding of £100 per hectare per year for five years to help them cull the squirrels using whatever method they prefer.
The money could be used to buy warfarin to poison them, or for buying traps so they can be trapped and shot.
The countryside is becoming a place of mass slaughter ... and increasingly less safe for all wildlife - and indeed animals / humans - if they are going to sanction things like using warfarin.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Millions of pounds of public money to pay for grey squirrel cull
The Forestry Commission has drawn up plans obliging landowners to rid their estates of grey squirrels

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/w ... -cull.html
Landowners are to be paid millions of pounds of public money to cull grey squirrels under the first national plan for managing their numbers.
Under the scheme, designed to protect red squirrels and woodland, only those who agree to deal with the animals on their land will be eligible for forestry grants from the Government or European Union.
But they will be able to apply for funding of £100 per hectare per year for five years to help them cull the squirrels using whatever method they prefer.
The money could be used to buy warfarin to poison them, or for buying traps so they can be trapped and shot.
The countryside is becoming a place of mass slaughter ... and increasingly less safe for all wildlife - and indeed animals / humans - if they are going to sanction things like using warfarin.
I was going to compose a comment on this, but on checking a few details found this Guardian article which pretty much says everything I would have said on the matter and then some. I like both red squirrels and grey ones, basically, and dislike anyone who would want to harm either:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -squirrels
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I see the Telegraph has convinced itself that there are 'opportunities for the Conservatives as Ukip swings left'. :roll:
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@Temulkar
"Labour will be tougher than the Tories when it comes to slashing the benefits bill, Rachel Reeves, the new shadow work and pensions secretary, has insisted in her first interview since winning promotion in Ed Miliband's frontbench reshuffle."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... es-welfare
Slashing a benefit bill isn't the same thing as being hard on people requiring benefits. Why are we paying private landlords so much in housing benefits, for example? It doesn't have to be this way.

I couldn't find that quote from the G article linked above in Reeves' speeches below. Please let me know if I've missed it.

http://www.rachelreevesmp.co.uk/speeches
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Ah yes, that famous attempted stitch up by Daniel Boffey (who now has a "form list" as long as your arm)

There are plenty of criticisms that can be made of Reeves in her present post - but she did not say that then, nor has she done so on any other occasion.
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So sorry you have not been well, hope things improve soon
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Scary stuff:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... gel-farage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not a pleasant prospect, but, thankfully, one that will remain unfulfilled in all likelihood. Given what the Tories when in coalition with the Fibs, imagine what they'd be like with UKIP as partners. Fair chills the blood. I can't see Farago chucking away his Tory voters on this one either. The only good point out of this is that ex-Labour UKIP voters should be in no doubt as to the direction of travel of UKIP - and it's not left-leaning, cuddly or empathic. Chuck in the hedge fund campaign by Farago and there's simply no excuse to pretend you didn't know.
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Get well soon JA!
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Sorry to hear you have been unwell.
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You're all good friends to me; thank you.
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Right, no one can't say they weren't warned now, unlike nearly 5 years ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... -says.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Right, no one can't say they weren't warned now, unlike nearly 5 years ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... -says.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I hope it completes the turn off of voters from the Lib Dems in emphatic style .... also unlike nearly 5 years ago they have had the opportunity to experience the coalition of Clegg's dreams in all its toxicity.

What a choice of coalitions the voter is going to have served up as possible by Cameron and Clegg - Conservatives and Ukip - or Conservatives and Lib Dems again. I can hear the Lib Dems scurrying for their pens to write their fear slogan now 'Vote for us or you will get Ukip'.
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Aditya Chakrabortty reports on the student fight to reform their economics education.http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scary listening on what they don't know and are not being taught ! :?
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Ed Balls writes the PS of Treasury regarding manifesto costing process.


http://press.labour.org.uk/post//ed-bal ... -secretary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Right, no one can't say they weren't warned now, unlike nearly 5 years ago.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... -says.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I hope it completes the turn off of voters from the Lib Dems in emphatic style .... also unlike nearly 5 years ago they have had the opportunity to experience the coalition of Clegg's dreams in all its toxicity.

What a choice of coalitions the voter is going to have served up as possible by Cameron and Clegg - Conservatives and Ukip - or Conservatives and Lib Dems again. I can hear the Lib Dems scurrying for their pens to write their fear slogan now 'Vote for us or you will get Ukip'.

I hope Labour refuses to touch them with a shitty stick, nigh on 5 years of piousness, pinning everything on the Tories, even though they have gone along with virtually everything they have done, all in the national interest of course, you can go on LDV and never come away disappointed, some smug, chick-lit puff piece on how the Tories don't like us, aren't we clever in our thwarting of their plans, only we can bring fairness to government, eff into obscurity the lot of them.

http://www.libdemvoice.org/vince-cable- ... 44039.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

By here, Vince is the most hated by the Tories, so bleedin what? Hasn't stopped him being a complete idiot, one who had the gall to call Brown Mr Bean, yeah right.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Aditya Chakrabortty reports on the student fight to reform their economics education.http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scary listening on what they don't know and are not being taught ! :?
Do stick R4 on - well worth a listen
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It's funny, all this "it's the hit you take from going into government" stuff.

The Libs used to be in government in Wales and Scotland. There was no apocalypse after those.
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Another Dale blog up Rebecca, very fair, and very encouraging.
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Why thank you again letsskip. Here it is.
GENERAL ELECTION PREDICTIONS 29: LONDON NORTH WEST
http://www.iaindale.com/posts/2015/01/0 ... um=twitter
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It's amazing Brent North was so safe Labour last time- it's fairly standard suburban, except with South Asians living in lots of nice houses. Rhodes Boyson got 56% as late as 1992.

I don't think there's a clearer example of the Tory problem with non-white voters.
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Nigel Farage has criticised the poor English language skills of some GPs. I wonder if he's got an opinion on these... pic.twitter.com/L4MC97sZHT
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Had to have a little chortle at Dale's comment below Brent Central, that Lib Dems keep trying to convince him they are still in the game, maybe that's why Teather is standing down then?
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Andrew Lilico: Osborne will become Prime Minister (and nine other predictions for 2015)
http://www.conservativehome.com/platfor ... -2015.html
These 'predictions' are a mixture of the surreal and duh, you don't say?

Here's a flavour:
  • At the General Election, the main issue will be the economy. The Conservatives will say they have stayed the course this Parliament and ask the voters to keep us on that course in the next.

    The Conservatives will be the largest party after the General Election, with no two other parties able to combine with more seats. The Liberal Democrats will win fewer than 25 seats. The SNP will win more than 30 seats, making them the third largest party. The Conservatives will govern as a minority.

    Ukip will win 8 seats at the General Election. In combination with the Conservatives, and a small number of Labour rebels, that will suffice to pass a bill requiring an In/Out referendum on European membership in early 2016.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Aditya Chakrabortty reports on the student fight to reform their economics education.http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scary listening on what they don't know and are not being taught ! :?
I haven't listened to it, but I see plenty of very good academic economists. Simon Wren-Lewis is at Oxford, which is as establishment as you can get.

I think the problem is that, as S W-L says, economic expertise doesn't get disseminated properly- the Scottish Referendum being a case in point.
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Eric_WLothian wrote:In view of the enthusiasm for LibDems which is a feature of these threads [/irony], I felt it only fair to pass on news of a potential alliance in their favour:
GRASSROOTS No campaigners are planning to defy the leadership of UK parties by getting together behind a “stop Alex Salmond” candidate in Gordon.
Despite the Conservatives and Labour ruling out a deal to thwart Salmond’s general election ambitions, local party activists say they will back the Lib Dem candidate Christine Jardine, because she is the former first minister’s nearest challenger.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-3650269
I'd rather have Salmond in Westminster. There'll be a load of stuff trying to get powers to Scotland for its own sake, but he'll be good on some things too.

I can see the attraction of a "stop the SNP" thing, but they thrive on that kind of thing.
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citizenJA wrote:@Temulkar
"Labour will be tougher than the Tories when it comes to slashing the benefits bill, Rachel Reeves, the new shadow work and pensions secretary, has insisted in her first interview since winning promotion in Ed Miliband's frontbench reshuffle."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... es-welfare
Slashing a benefit bill isn't the same thing as being hard on people requiring benefits. Why are we paying private landlords so much in housing benefits, for example? It doesn't have to be this way.

I couldn't find that quote from the G article linked above in Reeves' speeches below. Please let me know if I've missed it.

http://www.rachelreevesmp.co.uk/speeches
I wonder if she briefed that silly statement off the record. She doesn't seem to have said anything like it since though, which is reassuring.
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citizenJA wrote:@Temulkar
"Labour will be tougher than the Tories when it comes to slashing the benefits bill, Rachel Reeves, the new shadow work and pensions secretary, has insisted in her first interview since winning promotion in Ed Miliband's frontbench reshuffle."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... es-welfare
Slashing a benefit bill isn't the same thing as being hard on people requiring benefits. Why are we paying private landlords so much in housing benefits, for example? It doesn't have to be this way.

I couldn't find that quote from the G article linked above in Reeves' speeches below. Please let me know if I've missed it.

http://www.rachelreevesmp.co.uk/speeches
I wonder if she briefed that silly statement off the record. She doesn't seem to have said anything like it since though, which is reassuring.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Andrew Lilico: Osborne will become Prime Minister (and nine other predictions for 2015)
http://www.conservativehome.com/platfor ... -2015.html
These 'predictions' are a mixture of the surreal and duh, you don't say?

Here's a flavour:
  • The Conservatives will be the largest party after the General Election, with no two other parties able to combine with more seats. The Liberal Democrats will win fewer than 25 seats. The SNP will win more than 30 seats, making them the third largest party. The Conservatives will govern as a minority.
(my bold)

Only if the Labour party leaders, members, voters, supporters are raptured unto heaven. I like Labour okay but it's not going to happen; the raptured heaven thing - or any other place Labour may go...I'll look at the whole thing now I'm curious how Lilico manages these predictions - wasn't that the username of some far out right-winger below the line posting under the name lilicol or something very like it?

edited to change ruptured to raptured
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
citizenJA wrote:@Temulkar
"Labour will be tougher than the Tories when it comes to slashing the benefits bill, Rachel Reeves, the new shadow work and pensions secretary, has insisted in her first interview since winning promotion in Ed Miliband's frontbench reshuffle."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... es-welfare
Slashing a benefit bill isn't the same thing as being hard on people requiring benefits. Why are we paying private landlords so much in housing benefits, for example? It doesn't have to be this way.

I couldn't find that quote from the G article linked above in Reeves' speeches below. Please let me know if I've missed it.

http://www.rachelreevesmp.co.uk/speeches
I wonder if she briefed that silly statement off the record. She doesn't seem to have said anything like it since though, which is reassuring.
I'm by no means a Labour scholar but I try to get at the actual press release, speech, video, article or I try to turn up where Labour party people are speaking in order to get some eye contact & note taking. I'd not be able to support Labour if I thought people were going to be mistreated in their government. It's not in anyone's best interests, mine or the nation's, to be led by more villainy.

Again, I genuinely thought 'slashing benefit bill' meant building more quality council housing in order for affordable homes to be rented through local councils, not sold, but securely tenured. That Housing Benefit bill is crazy high & long-term planning will most certainly cut it as well as provide people with jobs building & maintaining them.
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
citizenJA wrote:@Temulkar
"Labour will be tougher than the Tories when it comes to slashing the benefits bill, Rachel Reeves, the new shadow work and pensions secretary, has insisted in her first interview since winning promotion in Ed Miliband's frontbench reshuffle."

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... es-welfare
Slashing a benefit bill isn't the same thing as being hard on people requiring benefits. Why are we paying private landlords so much in housing benefits, for example? It doesn't have to be this way.

I couldn't find that quote from the G article linked above in Reeves' speeches below. Please let me know if I've missed it.

http://www.rachelreevesmp.co.uk/speeches
I wonder if she briefed that silly statement off the record. She doesn't seem to have said anything like it since though, which is reassuring.


Although Neil mentioned it twice here between 2.15 - 3.15 mins, she didn't repeat or clarify - but didn't really deny it either

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@Thank you for the video, Toby.
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citizenJA wrote:@Thank you for the video, Toby.
You're welcome. She does say that she will go further than the govt. on certain benefits at 6.15mins tho'
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The Guardian view on general election year: a serious choice for Britain
The 2015 election will set the country’s course and be a verdict on Britain’s future

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ce-britain
This is the second G piece I've read today that seems to go all round the houses, stating the obvious time and time again ... to say nothing very specific.

This appears to be it in a nutshell.
The unity of the country does not always rest on the outcome of an election. The stability of Europe is not always affected by our votes. But these outcomes are in the balance this time.
and then they go on to say that's why we must have televised leader debates.

Are they actually hoping Clegg will stage a miraculous recovery for the Lib Dems in a debate?
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Just had a chat with James Walsh, 'News & Communities' chap at The Guardian, sometimes he stands in for Andrew Sparrow - I asked him about the Society section being removed ...

He reckons it's nonsense,
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A Tory Councillor opines "Foodbanks are only used by those with drug,alcohol and mental health problems"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 56609.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Thanks for info Toby.
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Beating Lets Skip to it!

http://iaindale.com/posts/2015/01/04/ge ... ondon-west" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Couple more Con losses predicted in W London. Logical too.
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Anti-Tory London hereby announces it has had enough.

Referendum, tax powers, we're clearing off!
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Why no-one should vote Lib Dem to get a coalition
http://scottish-liberal.blogspot.co.uk/ ... o-get.html
He (Andrew Page, Scottish Liberal) gives several reasons why they shouldn't. But this last - is the one that Clegg seems to have completely disregarded in his call for people to vote Lib Dem for another coalition ...
Any Lib Dem leader would have to sell coalition to members. We will certainly need more than an AV referendum to convince us this time. Not only does Nick Clegg seem to pre-empt the result, the desirability of coalition, the attitudes of other parties and a workable and beneficial deal, but he also overlooks the small inconvenience of having to consult the membership. Why proimise something to the electorate that he might not be able to persuade the party to accept?
and this from Simon Hughes beggars belief:
Simon Hughes told Sky News today that “we have done it well, we have proved we can do it, we have proved coalition can work, it was the best solution for the last five years. We have shown an alternative, we have shown that we can pay off the deficit by 2018, we have shown that we can continue to protect public services.”
They've shown that they've failed miserably on their deficit reduction target/s ... why should anyone believe they can pay it off by 2018 on their record so far?
And to say they have continued to protect public services .... NHS services crumbling away all over the place, meals on wheels down by 63%, libraries closing ... and so many more examples
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HindleA wrote:A Tory Councillor opines "Foodbanks are only used by thise with drug,alcohol and mental health problems"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 56609.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What a twat - getting a good shoeing BTL I'm pleased to say.
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th January 2015

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RobertSnozers wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
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Jason Spacey ‏@Jason_Spacey 2h2 hours ago
Nigel Farage has criticised the poor English language skills of some GPs. I wonder if he's got an opinion on these... pic.twitter.com/L4MC97sZHT
There was also the election poster for Douglas Carswell promising 'More GPS'. To help the immigrants navigate home, perhaps.
:lol: I missed that one.
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th January 2015

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They used to market themselves as local government, pluralist types.

Don't think they've even tried to look sorry about smashing up local government. I had to look up who there ministers had been- Andrew Stunnell, Don Foster, Stephen Williams.
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th January 2015

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ErnstRemarx wrote:
HindleA wrote:A Tory Councillor opines "Foodbanks are only used by thise with drug,alcohol and mental health problems"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 56609.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What a twat - getting a good shoeing BTL I'm pleased to say.
They never fail to sink lower than you'd think possible. And to cap it all he's now gone into Twitter hiding ... not going to come out until those nasty pointing people stop asking me questions and go away. They do so much pointing and blaming themselves but they really don't like it up em do they?
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th January 2015

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Apparently this years election (yikes) is a serious choice for the country. You don't say.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ce-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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In the event of Rachel Reeves going on maternity leave just a few weeks after the election (supposing Lab win) , who gets to deal with the mess left behind by Duncan Smith ? It is kinda important :? Would Kate Green deputise ?
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Re: Saturday 3rd & Sunday 4th January 2015

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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Apparently this years election (yikes) is a serious choice for the country. You don't say.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ce-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Who do you imagine writes this crap letsskip? What are their 'instructions' ....? It's just stating the obvious drivel all the way through ... as though someone has been given the title and a word count and told to do something on it ... but without saying anything that could be seen as an actual opinion or view.
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