Thursday 12th September 2024
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Thursday 12th September 2024
Morning all.
Re: Thursday 12th September 2024
Good morning.
Does he really not see the problem here?
However effective spending on primary care is for the long term, it's not going to get the waiting lists down by the next election.
Streeting said primary care and community services would be the “first port of call” for extra NHS spending. He explained:
We’ll be setting out our plans in the budget and the spending review, but effectively it means that when it comes to more resources for the NHS, additional resources going in, the first port of call will be primary care and community services, and social care too, because we’ve got to deal with the systemic problems in our health and care services.
He said he wanted to cut NHS waiting lists by “millions” by the time of the next election. He said:
I’m going hell for leather to get the NHS back to what’s known as the constitutional standards, the targets it sets for itself, over the five-year period that we committed to, and to make sure that by the end of this parliament we see waiting lists millions lower than they are today.
Does he really not see the problem here?
However effective spending on primary care is for the long term, it's not going to get the waiting lists down by the next election.
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Re: Thursday 12th September 2024
I'm sure they are aware of that.
Not untypically, the speech this morning was rather better than some advance briefing to the right wing press suggested.
And was glad that Starmer called out the Lansley vandalism for what it is, people shouldn't forget.
Not untypically, the speech this morning was rather better than some advance briefing to the right wing press suggested.
And was glad that Starmer called out the Lansley vandalism for what it is, people shouldn't forget.
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Re: Thursday 12th September 2024
Good afternoon.
I see that the JC is in a bit of a state right now. Let's hope it sees the end of Netanyahu-apologist Wallis Simons.
IDF investigates claim Jewish Chronicle published stories based on ‘fabricated intelligence’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... telligence
I see that the JC is in a bit of a state right now. Let's hope it sees the end of Netanyahu-apologist Wallis Simons.
IDF investigates claim Jewish Chronicle published stories based on ‘fabricated intelligence’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ ... telligence
Among the most controversial claims published by the Jewish Chronicle, the world’s oldest Jewish newspaper, was the suggestion last week that the Hamas leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, might be preparing to flee to Iran with Israeli hostages, a suggestion that has also been made by Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.
The Jewish Chronicle article is one of several sensational reports that have been written in recent months by a writer bylined as Elon Perry, whose résumé claiming he has worked as a journalist, academic and served as an elite undercover soldier has also been questioned.
Checks by the Guardian have found no evidence of any record of significant stories published by Perry as a reporter in English or Hebrew, except for the recent series of articles in the Jewish Chronicle now alleged to be fabrications.
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Re: Thursday 12th September 2024
But if Simons goes, Pollard likely has to as well. Not saying that would be a bad thing either, mind.
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Very professional !
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Brrr. I'm not ashamed to admit I've got my Winter cardie on.
My favourite thing about Lansley's Health and Social Care Act was once it became clear it was a disaster Nick Clegg was asked why as a minister he'd signed off on it, to which he replied, "I didn't read it". As if that somehow made him look less like a twat.
As for Starmer criticising Lansley's reforms, well whoop de do, even the Tories have been critical while quietly undoing them for the last couple of years. What I don't understand is how you reform an NHS which apparently has no choice but to put mentally ill people in rat infested Victorian asylums without any capital investment. Politicians have been talking about moving patients and resources out of hospitals into the community since Thatcher, but how exactly do you do that without a realistic plan for social care? Theresa May to her credit offered one which was attacked by Corbyn as the 'dementia tax'. If it had been enacted as proposed it would have saved my working class family about 80 grand, so thanks for that Jeremy. Slow hand clap. And that's just up until now, depending on future circumstances with the system as it is it could still cost us a lot more. So this isn't a left or right thing, it's been political shithousery from both sides that's fucked over any family with someone who needs social care and an NHS bogged down with more than 1 in 10 patients who shouldn't be there but have nowhere else to go because they either can't be discharged to go home or there isn't a place available for them in a nursing or residential care home.
I recently saw it when visiting Por Favor in hospital, she was in a 'bedblocker' ward as described by the nurses themselves. Ostensibly it was a cardiac ward but half the patients clearly had dementia of one form or another. So there's a quick and easy fix for Streeting and Starmer which will free up tens of thousands of hospital beds, it seems so obvious, sort out social care. Yet all they're offering are the same empty promises with the same half arsed solutions that we heard last time Labour were in power. It's infuriating to say the least.
My favourite thing about Lansley's Health and Social Care Act was once it became clear it was a disaster Nick Clegg was asked why as a minister he'd signed off on it, to which he replied, "I didn't read it". As if that somehow made him look less like a twat.
As for Starmer criticising Lansley's reforms, well whoop de do, even the Tories have been critical while quietly undoing them for the last couple of years. What I don't understand is how you reform an NHS which apparently has no choice but to put mentally ill people in rat infested Victorian asylums without any capital investment. Politicians have been talking about moving patients and resources out of hospitals into the community since Thatcher, but how exactly do you do that without a realistic plan for social care? Theresa May to her credit offered one which was attacked by Corbyn as the 'dementia tax'. If it had been enacted as proposed it would have saved my working class family about 80 grand, so thanks for that Jeremy. Slow hand clap. And that's just up until now, depending on future circumstances with the system as it is it could still cost us a lot more. So this isn't a left or right thing, it's been political shithousery from both sides that's fucked over any family with someone who needs social care and an NHS bogged down with more than 1 in 10 patients who shouldn't be there but have nowhere else to go because they either can't be discharged to go home or there isn't a place available for them in a nursing or residential care home.
I recently saw it when visiting Por Favor in hospital, she was in a 'bedblocker' ward as described by the nurses themselves. Ostensibly it was a cardiac ward but half the patients clearly had dementia of one form or another. So there's a quick and easy fix for Streeting and Starmer which will free up tens of thousands of hospital beds, it seems so obvious, sort out social care. Yet all they're offering are the same empty promises with the same half arsed solutions that we heard last time Labour were in power. It's infuriating to say the least.
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Re: Thursday 12th September 2024
Just to point out the madness of the current system.
My Mum had about 100 grand in her bank account as a result of her own savings and what remained of the sale of her parents house after her own mother had to go into a nursing home (for the same reason, early onset dementia is hereditary). This was whittled down to (I think) 23 thousand? After which the council began paying the brunt of her care costs. According to my Dad that meant that with her pension and benefits she was actually making money and rang me wondering what to do with it because he didn't want to spend it because it was her money but if anyone found out she was back above the limit it would go to the council. So I told him to gradually take it out in cash and hide it. Next time I visited I noticed a glaringly obvious plump envelope at the back of his kitchen cupboard and had words with him about his lack of imagination.
My Mum had about 100 grand in her bank account as a result of her own savings and what remained of the sale of her parents house after her own mother had to go into a nursing home (for the same reason, early onset dementia is hereditary). This was whittled down to (I think) 23 thousand? After which the council began paying the brunt of her care costs. According to my Dad that meant that with her pension and benefits she was actually making money and rang me wondering what to do with it because he didn't want to spend it because it was her money but if anyone found out she was back above the limit it would go to the council. So I told him to gradually take it out in cash and hide it. Next time I visited I noticed a glaringly obvious plump envelope at the back of his kitchen cupboard and had words with him about his lack of imagination.