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ohsocynical wrote:And just imagine. Your family might be fit as fleas all year, but you still have to pay your £14,520 because your neighbour might be having a really big operation on his insurance, and someone has to pay for it.
Thanks Ohso for soldiering on!
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kizbot wrote:hello. kizbot here. just dropped in from the socialist republic of greece to say hi..
Hi kizbot, nice to see you.
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RobertSnozers wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote: Swiss Cottage
Are we allowing diagonals? Really?
It's less than 100 days to the election so I assumed we were playing Westminster Village rules
OK. So, no reverses, Bleasdale Variant on mains and Northern only when doubled, correct?
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AngryAsWell wrote:We need some order...


Margaret Hodge
But have you noticed the Tories don't seem to take a blind bit of notice of her? Just carry on as usual.
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Gross Domestic Product Preliminary Estimate, Q4 2014
This product is designated as National Statistics

Part of Gross Domestic Product: Preliminary Estimate, Q4 2014 Release
Released: 27 January 2015 Download PDF
Distribution, hotels & restaurants
...Retail made the largest positive contribution to the increase

Transport, storage & communication
Computer programming, consultancy & related activities made the largest contribution to the increase

Business services & finance
Architectural & engineering activities made the largest positive contribution to the increase

Government & other services
...showed no growth..largest positive contribution came from human health activities
...the largest negative contribution came from libraries, archives, museums & other cultural activities

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/gva/gross ... y-Analysis
Architectural & engineering activities are in business services & finance category, eh? What the hell?

I've posted the information above in order to clarify (I hope) what it means when economists, journalists, politicians talk of the UK's 'Service Sector'. It's helped me.
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refitman wrote:
kizbot wrote:hello. kizbot here. just dropped in from the socialist republic of greece to say hi..
Hi kizbot, nice to see you.
Hi from me too! ~~~waves~~~
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!

The straight choice!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Simon Danczuk

(I can use him twice, as a wildcard that keeps you guessing which side he is on)
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!

The straight choice!
Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:And just imagine. Your family might be fit as fleas all year, but you still have to pay your £14,520 because your neighbour might be having a really big operation on his insurance, and someone has to pay for it.
Thanks Ohso for soldiering on!
It somehow makes the game and the 'rules' seem even more apt - doesn't it just! We have a Mornington Crescent Shambles government.
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Simon Danczuk

(I can use him twice, as a wildcard that keeps you guessing which side he is on)
:lol: :lol:
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I'm pushed into a corner now and have to play
Fleet Street

(Which might let someone in but hey ho)
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:And just imagine. Your family might be fit as fleas all year, but you still have to pay your £14,520 because your neighbour might be having a really big operation on his insurance, and someone has to pay for it.
Thanks Ohso for soldiering on!
It somehow makes the game and the 'rules' seem even more apt - doesn't it just! We have a Mornington Crescent Shambles government.
Very very true
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:And just imagine. Your family might be fit as fleas all year, but you still have to pay your £14,520 because your neighbour might be having a really big operation on his insurance, and someone has to pay for it.
Thanks Ohso for soldiering on!
:D I'm sat here waiting for bedtime :roll:

It amazes me that people warn about the US insurance system, which is what we'll end up with, it won't be European that's for sure, but you never hear figures quoted.

Imagine a bloke on a fairly good salary having to find a sum like that. It would make a bloody great hole in the housekeeping. And then you go and get cancer, a serious illness, or have a horrific accident. The piddling sum you pay won't cover that, so you sell your house and you still owe money.

I'm getting sick of the stupidity of some people. Labour voters included.
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And a quick sashay to ... Liam Fox / Werrity.
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Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!

The straight choice!
Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
Dan F Hodges !
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox

(Acceptable under the Photoshop Variation)
That does, of course, mean I can double up with Michael Green.
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AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!

The straight choice!
Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
Dan F Hodges !
You have breached the tribalism parameters there ...
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AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!

The straight choice!
Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
Dan F Hodges !
Jeremy Cunt

Which leaves a sideways move to his deputy Alan Milburn-Cunt open, which is a high points move but runs the risk of leaving the player Blaired.

Anybody brave enough?
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rebeccariots2 wrote:And a quick sashay to ... Liam Fox / Werrity.
We never did really get to the bottom of that one did we. I still reckon there's more than a hint of familial resemblance between those two
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AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Simon Hughes!

The straight choice!
Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
Dan F Hodges !
David Miliband.

The right brother. Tube station Holland Park?
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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
Dan F Hodges !
Jeremy Cunt

Which leaves a sideways move to his deputy Alan Milburn-Cunt open, which is a high points move but runs the risk of leaving the player Blaired.

Anybody brave enough?
Ooooo no, that's too risky for me....
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
Dan F Hodges !
David Miliband.

The right brother. Tube station Holland Park?
It had to be said.

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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Oh just spotted a wicked move via Peter Tatchell to Glenda Jackson and so.....
Dan F Hodges !
Jeremy Cunt

Which leaves a sideways move to his deputy Alan Milburn-Cunt open, which is a high points move but runs the risk of leaving the player Blaired.

Anybody brave enough?
Well played!
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Ohso interlude ...
Iain McKenzie MP retweeted
David McKenzie ‏@DavidXMcKenzie 6m6 minutes ago
Glad to see @Foxinparliament supporting Labour in banning blood sports and protecting animals! We need more lobbyist's like these :)
Has there been some kind of announcement today re further wildlife protections?
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I looked to see whether the Mail or Telegraph covered that select committee report on academies and free schools.

Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/art ... emies.html

So, only reposted a PA report on it and...

Sorry we are not currently accepting comments on this article.


Telegraph?

Nothing. Didn't even bother with a post on it.

So Gove's main policy which cost a bloody fortune gets a kicking and the two right wing papers who are his cheerleaders all but ignore it.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:Ohso interlude ...
Iain McKenzie MP retweeted
David McKenzie ‏@DavidXMcKenzie 6m6 minutes ago
Glad to see @Foxinparliament supporting Labour in banning blood sports and protecting animals! We need more lobbyist's like these :)
Has there been some kind of announcement today re further wildlife protections?
Think he might just be referring to the page

https://twitter.com/Foxinparliament?lang=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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refitman wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox

(Acceptable under the Photoshop Variation)
That does, of course, mean I can double up with Michael Green.
Do you remember those picture books that used to be available for young children, where the pages were split so you could have the head of one character, body of another and the legs of a third? The Shapps/Green/Fox version would be sooo cheap to produce, although a wig might be needed for Corrine Stockheath.
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Green party’s flagship economic policy would hit poorest hardest, say experts
Citizen’s income – an unconditional income for every individual – would not work as hoped unless means-tested, say researchers

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -hits-poor
This isn't just a Patrick Wintour downer ... it's something the Citizens Income Trust have come up with .... and the Greens and they are trying to work through.
The Citizen’s Income Trust (CIT), which has given advice to the Green party and been repeatedly cited by the Greens, has modelled its scheme and discovered it would mean 35.15% of households would be losers, with many of the biggest losers among the poorest households.

The trust’s research shows that for the two lowest disposable income deciles, more than one-fifth would suffer income losses of more than 10%, something one of the most leftwing parties in the election is unlikely to want to advocate.

Malcolm Torry, director of the CIT, a small charitable research body, said: “I am not sure the Green party has yet taken on our new research or the need to retain a means-tested element. We have only just published the new work.”

The criticisms of the scheme, as well as doubts about costings, have led the Greens to make a tactical retreat, with the party’s leader, Natalie Bennett, saying detailed costings for the policy will not be available in the manifesto in March.
So that piece I linked to earlier which in turn linked to the CIT booklet .... seems to be already out of date.

Editing to add: No comments facility - what's that about?
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
refitman wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox

(Acceptable under the Photoshop Variation)
That does, of course, mean I can double up with Michael Green.
Do you remember those picture books that used to be available for young children, where the pages were split so you could have the head of one character, body of another and the legs of a third? The Shapps/Green/Fox version would be sooo cheap to produce, although a wig might be needed for Corrine Stockheath.
Thank you, just snorted orange fanta through my nose laughing at that.

It was worth it tho.
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TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
refitman wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Ah, then I play ..... Sebastian Fox

(Acceptable under the Photoshop Variation)
That does, of course, mean I can double up with Michael Green.
Do you remember those picture books that used to be available for young children, where the pages were split so you could have the head of one character, body of another and the legs of a third? The Shapps/Green/Fox version would be sooo cheap to produce, although a wig might be needed for Corrine Stockheath.
Genius.

But anyway all getting a bit too dull.

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NonOxCol wrote:Good afternoon. You may or may not know that, since late 2013, most of my online activity has centred on cricket rather than politics.

This hasn't exactly been a positive move. But today, it allows me to share with you this quite special tweet:

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That's a man on £700k per year, who plays for a team now sponsored by Waitrose, exclusively on a channel that costs about £46 per month.

(Any media coverage you see will be slanted to ensure that readers are aware he was having a very clumsy pop at Kevin Pietersen. However, the lack of awareness that leads to someone tweeting that, with those hashtags, is truly staggering)
Wow, just wow.
Evening everyone. :)

What did it say? What were the hashtags? The page has gone, did Broad delete it? I can't get FTN at work, so I've missed it.

If someone would be kind enough to give me some idea it would be appreciated.
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ohsocynical wrote:Wedding anniversary today...53 years. :shock:
Congratulations Ohso :clap:
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daydreamer wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Good afternoon. You may or may not know that, since late 2013, most of my online activity has centred on cricket rather than politics.

This hasn't exactly been a positive move. But today, it allows me to share with you this quite special tweet:

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's a man on £700k per year, who plays for a team now sponsored by Waitrose, exclusively on a channel that costs about £46 per month.

(Any media coverage you see will be slanted to ensure that readers are aware he was having a very clumsy pop at Kevin Pietersen. However, the lack of awareness that leads to someone tweeting that, with those hashtags, is truly staggering)
Wow, just wow.
Evening everyone. :)

What did it say? What were the hashtags? The page has gone, did Broad delete it? I can't get FTN at work, so I've missed it.

If someone would be kind enough to give me some idea it would be appreciated.
Ooh it certainly does seem to have disappeared!
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daydreamer wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Good afternoon. You may or may not know that, since late 2013, most of my online activity has centred on cricket rather than politics.

This hasn't exactly been a positive move. But today, it allows me to share with you this quite special tweet:

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That's a man on £700k per year, who plays for a team now sponsored by Waitrose, exclusively on a channel that costs about £46 per month.

(Any media coverage you see will be slanted to ensure that readers are aware he was having a very clumsy pop at Kevin Pietersen. However, the lack of awareness that leads to someone tweeting that, with those hashtags, is truly staggering)
Wow, just wow.
Evening everyone. :)

What did it say? What were the hashtags? The page has gone, did Broad delete it? I can't get FTN at work, so I've missed it.

If someone would be kind enough to give me some idea it would be appreciated.
His tweet said:
“I’ve heard if you earn minimum wage in England you’re in the top 10% earners in the world. #stay #humble,”
The Graun has an article about it.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/j ... and-humble" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Try #stay #humble

and imagine a mega-wealthy former sportsperson saying it!
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Snap refitman - and the Heil have an article on it too, but I'm to going to link it :twisted:
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I do hope Kizbot hasn't gone.
I put on a new frock.
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citizenJA wrote:I do hope Kizbot hasn't gone.
I put on a new frock.
Welcome.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Try #stay #humble

and imagine a mega-wealthy former sportsperson saying it!
Broad later apologised for his comments, tweeting: “Clarifying my earlier tweet, I merely wanted to emphasise my amazement at just how big the world is. No offence meant and sorry if any taken. The hashtag was aimed at myself.”
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/j ... and-humble
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citizenJA wrote:Margaret Thatcher

Willie Whitelaw.
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So those SNP MPs, who want a moratorium on fracking then...

What's this from before the referendum?

http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/20 ... s-fracking" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There is a clear contrast between Westminster’s “gung-ho” approach to Fracking, and the evidence-based, consensual approach being pursued by the Scottish Government, the SNP said today.

Westminster today announced fracking licenses for vast swathes of the central belt – but failed to consult the Scottish Government.

Meanwhile, the Scottish Government has welcomed the independent Expert Scientific Panel on Unconventional Oil and Gas’s new report published today, which calls for a more careful consideration of the regulatory regime.
I guess it's different if iScotland or the UK get the revenue. Or perhaps some devastating new info has come in since the referendum.
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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Margaret Thatcher

Willie Whitelaw.
George Osborne
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Margaret Thatcher

Willie Whitelaw.
George Osborne
Rhodes Boyson.

He came to mind at the mention of Osborne, funny that.
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Following on from the G article on the latest research from Citizens Income Trust showing that poor households could lose out significantly from a citizens income as proposed by the Green party ....

the CIT website has an article by the researcher detailing the problems and what might solve them - http://www.citizensincome.org/resources ... r20151.htm

couple of salient quotes:
The important results, extracted by comparing columns in the output files for the current benefits system and the Citizen's Income scheme, [23] are that for the lowest disposable income decile, over one fifth of households suffer losses of over 10%, and that for the second lowest disposable income decile the same is true.

By interrogating the results sheets for individuals generated by the programme, it is possible to identify the source of most of these substantial losses among households with low disposable incomes: In the scheme, low earners have their Personal Tax Allowance replaced by a Citizen's Income, but not their Working Tax Credits. To increase the working age adult Citizen's Income so that it would compensate for the loss of Working Tax Credits as well as for the loss of the Personal Tax Allowance would be far too expensive, as the increase in Citizen's Income would apply to every working age adult and not just to Tax Credit recipients.

It is a pity that such a large number of households with low disposable incomes suffer such large losses on the implementation of what otherwise looks like a useful and revenue neutral scheme: but unfortunately with that number of large losses the scheme would be impossible for a government to implement, and we ought to look for an alternative.
Another option: 'alternative 1'

As we have seen, the major generators of large losses among households with low disposable incomes are the combined value of Working Tax Credits and the Personal Tax Allowance, and the difficulties encountered when a complex system of means-tested and contributory benefits is replaced by a simple Citizen's Income.

It might therefore be worth proposing a method of implementing a Citizen's Income that circumvents these problems. What is not an option is to tamper with the Citizen's Income itself. Its value can be reduced, but it must remain an unconditional and nonwithdrawable income for every individual. If it does not do so then it will not deliver the advantages of social cohesion, simplicity, transparency, zero marginal deduction rate, lower total marginal deduction rates, reduced error and fraud rates, loss of stigma, etc.

So my proposal is that a Citizen's Income should be paid, that the Personal Tax Allowance should be abolished (which means that thresholds for taxable income have to be adjusted as all earned income will have become taxable), and that the Citizen's Income should be taken into account in the calculation of all existing means-tested benefits (including Tax Credits). This suggests that the Basic State Pension will be retained, so the Citizen's Income rate for those over the state retirement age should be £30 per week. (The new Single Tier State Pension will make this payment unnecessary.). Child Benefit will be retained and Child Citizen's Income should be paid at £20 p.w.. The adult Citizen's Income rate should remain at £71: the 2012-13 Income Support rate. Again, National Insurance Contributions will be paid at 12% on all earned income. All existing benefits are left in place, and the Citizen's Incomes are added to the means taken into account when means-tested benefits are calculated.
But sadly that means the citizens income loses its simplicity and savings through far less administration selling points. Hmmmm.
Working on the wild side.
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