Tuesday 27th January 2015

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:35 pm

I do seriously wonder what / where our so call left press are coming from

Zoe Williams ‏@zoesqwilliams · 33s33 seconds ago
Mean to retweet them, but those Labour tips on how to deal with the Green party make it around 10% less possible ever to vote labour again

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:35 pm

I don't know, you lot. I leave the door wide open with thumper Prescott and nobody spots the opportunity.

Chris Huhne.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:40 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:I do seriously wonder what / where our so call left press are coming from

Zoe Williams ‏@zoesqwilliams · 33s33 seconds ago
Mean to retweet them, but those Labour tips on how to deal with the Green party make it around 10% less possible ever to vote labour again

Zoe Williams can bite my shiny metal ass as well.

Typical Guardian journo, nice and comfortable; doesn't give a toss if the Tories get in as long as she can make clever comments from the sidelines.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:41 pm

Cecil Parkinson.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:42 pm

David Mellor

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:42 pm

Norman Tebbit

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:45 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:I do seriously wonder what / where our so call left press are coming from

Zoe Williams ‏@zoesqwilliams · 33s33 seconds ago
Mean to retweet them, but those Labour tips on how to deal with the Green party make it around 10% less possible ever to vote labour again
Zoe Williams can bite my shiny metal ass as well.

Typical Guardian journo, nice and comfortable; doesn't give a toss if the Tories get in as long as she can make clever comments from the sidelines.

I'd normally defend Zoe, she is about the only decent writer left there (Polly has turned into her own tribute act), but I'm at a loss to understand what she is driving at here.

Edit - Ah, now I get what she is driving at. Complains about petty point scoring, then leaps in with attacks on Labour, makes the usual "no policies" jibe and trotting out the Lucas distortions. AAW is doing her best but Zoe is being (as you suggest TE) the typical smug Guardian journo. Sad to see.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:45 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Norman Tebbit

Aha, who writes blogs for.....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:47 pm

Ernest Marples

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:47 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Ernest Marples

Who?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:49 pm

Norman St John-Stevas

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:49 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Ernest Marples
Who?

What a complete scoundrel! Wish I'd never heard of him.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:49 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Ernest Marples
Who?

Transport Minister. Served with Maggie for a time

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:53 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:Lord Adonis

Whoo. I'd forgotten him

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:53 pm

Alan Clarke

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:53 pm

Oh, and regional commissioners...

99. The RSC regions are too large as currently devised. We do not believe that an increase in staff numbers, as envisaged by the Secretary of State, would allow the RSC offices to be sufficiently in touch with local information, given the number of schools potentially involved. The number of Regional Schools Commissioners will need to increase from the current eight if they are to perform an effective oversight role for the academies in each region, and even more so if they are to be extended to cover maintained schools as well.

100.We recommend that the Government review and increase the number of schools commissioners.

so...just like Blunkett said then - not enough of them. And they need to oversee all schools.

No doubt Toady will do an article about this and reference his own work saying that Labour stole the idea from Gove...no, I'm wrong...he'll simply ignore it.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:55 pm

Leslie Hore-Belisha

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:56 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:Lord Adonis

Getting desperate now let's see if Lord Taylor of Warwick is a big enough hint, hang on a minute I take that back I have a better idea.

Jonathan Aitken.

That should do it.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:56 pm

HindleA wrote:Leslie Hore-Belisha

Who?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:57 pm

Keith Joseph

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:58 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
HindleA wrote:Leslie Hore-Belisha
Who?

OK another transport minister, clue in the name I guess

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 9:59 pm

Belisha Beacon

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:00 pm

HindleA wrote:Belisha Beacon

You'll be telling me next the prototype was red and was called a Hore Beacon.

daydreamer · Post by **daydreamer** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:02 pm

kizbot wrote:hello. kizbot here. just dropped in from the socialist republic of greece to say hi..

Welcome kizbot

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:02 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh, and regional commissioners...

99. The RSC regions are too large as currently devised. We do not believe that an increase in staff numbers, as envisaged by the Secretary of State, would allow the RSC offices to be sufficiently in touch with local information, given the number of schools potentially involved. The number of Regional Schools Commissioners will need to increase from the current eight if they are to perform an effective oversight role for the academies in each region, and even more so if they are to be extended to cover maintained schools as well.

100.We recommend that the Government review and increase the number of schools commissioners.
so...just like Blunkett said then - not enough of them. And they need to oversee all schools.

No doubt Toady will do an article about this and reference his own work saying that Labour stole the idea from Gove...no, I'm wrong...he'll simply ignore it.

Well spotted.

Sad that so many on the left think differences like this don't matter and that anything short of recreating LA arrangement is a sell-out.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:03 pm

HindleA wrote:Belisha Beacon

That was my old geography teacher.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:08 pm

Andy Burnham ‏@andyburnhammp 15m15 minutes ago
READ > my full speech setting out Labour's 10-year plan to build a national health & care service > http://andyburnhammp.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... r.html?m=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:08 pm

More UKIP

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ni ... ot-5012722" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:13 pm

Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman · 5h 5 hours ago
I understand 80 Tories plan to vote against plain packaging for cigarettes http://specc.ie/1H6jKtT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:23 pm

Evening all, and hello kiz (I stil owe you a drink, don't I?).

Between working until 9.00pm and then speed reading nearly 300 posts, it may be a bit late to say this but my moment of extremely flabbered ghast today came early on when, to my utter stupefaction, Cameron claimed the General Election was a choice between a Government of Competence or the Chaos of Labour.

Competence? He claims his Government is competent? And his brain doesn't leap out of its casing a commit ritual hara-kiri in shame and embarrassment at such a claim? In a properly run Universe, the ground would have opened up and swallowed him. Maybe it wasn't such a good idea to give up the special effects of blasphemy?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:24 pm

There's some really strong and welcome stuff in Burnham's speech - and I haven't got very far yet:

But a distinction will be drawn between not-for-profit and for-profit providers.

Given that voluntary organisations build volunteering capacity – which in turn builds the health of people and communities – we should give them the benefit of much longer and more stable arrangements, for instance for five or even ten years.

Private sector organisations, working as long-term partners, will have to accept NHS standards. So we will extend the Freedom of Information provisions to any provider of NHS services and consult on a new training levy so that all providers contribute to the costs of training clinical staff.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:30 pm

It's radical but also thought through on the ground.

As NHS 111 contracts expire, we will look at ambulance services taking them on so that, in time, they could handle all 111 and 999 calls from the same call centres.

This will mean more experienced staff on the phones, and better classification of calls.

But just as with other parts of the NHS, we need to ask the ambulance service to work from a default presumption of treatment at home, not hospital – if clinically safe and appropriate.

To do this, paramedics will need to be able to call directly on a wider range of health professionals – GPs, OTs, physios, care assistants – who can settle and support people at home in out-of-hours times before handing over to local teams.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:44 pm

Latest poll...Cons in lead again. Three in a row...now wait for the gloating....I'm off to bed!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:49 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Latest poll...Cons in lead again. Three in a row...now wait for the gloating....I'm off to bed!

Night Ohso

What I read in the polls is that voters prefer Labour policies to Tory ones but prefer Cameron to Miliband.

That's why Dave is so scared of the debates. If Miliband scored a hit on him, it could be game over.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:50 pm

What a disgraceful interview of Andy Burnham by Kirsty Wark on Newsnight... all she did was talk at length, over and over again on the same point, which he had already answered. She was giving her own speeches not asking questions.

Sheeesh.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:52 pm

Dr Éoin Clarke ‏@LabourEoin 8m8 minutes ago
Brilliant from Andy Burnham just now. There's no space in NHS Budget for 8% profit margin from Private Profiteers. Simple as that #Newsnight

Chris Williamson ‏@ChriswMP 2m2 minutes ago
Is Kirsty Wark being deliberately obtuse in her interview of @andyburnhammp on #newsnight? Great & passionate defence of our NHS by Andy

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:56 pm

Shocking stuff in this report too.

Kevan Jones MP ‏@KevanJonesMP 7m7 minutes ago
Durham Free School a 'haven for bad teachers' MP tells hearing http://mirr.im/15Lfb6P" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 10:59 pm

Why I will not be jumping on the Green Party bandwagon.
https://theinterruptingsheep.wordpress. ... bandwagon/

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:02 pm

They've just opened up comments on this article ... I posted about it earlier when there was no comments facility.

Green party’s flagship economic policy would hit poorest hardest, say experts
Citizen’s income – an unconditional income for every individual – would not work as hoped unless means-tested, say researchers
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -hits-poor

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:05 pm

Here's the thing about succeeding electorally. The Tories do one thing very well. They gather their substantial, collective resources in a single action to make sure anyone able to vote Tory will do so. Single-minded, mobilised in one motion - not as many likely Tory voters as their are non-Tory voters but a Tory voter will vote; without fail. Without fail.

I've not seen the poll Ohso has seen. There's nothing that has happened to have negatively altered Labour support. But fear can be cultivated & Tories benefit from that. I'm gravely disappointed reading & hearing animosity between left-leaning parties. Only one party wins when people are frightened, stressed & without the consolation of a property portfolio. Tories do that one thing, mobilise whatever they have in order to hold onto power. Most people in this country aren't Tories & have little in common with the Tory party. Stay together. Don't let Tories win. Don't let Tories back into government.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:06 pm

Is this really the number one story for Times readers? Maybe the point is to get subject discussed on BBC paper reviews.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:09 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Shocking stuff in this report too.

Kevan Jones MP ‏@KevanJonesMP 7m7 minutes ago
Durham Free School a 'haven for bad teachers' MP tells hearing http://mirr.im/15Lfb6P" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's the debate from the HoC.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... known/841/

Sir Gerald Howarth (Aldershot) (Con):
I am most grateful to the hon. Lady for her courtesy in giving way again. The chairman of the governors has written to a number of us, including me, to say that they feel that the Ofsted report was grossly unfair. One of the things Ofsted said in that report was that

Why write to an MP whose constituency is hundreds of miles away?

Unless of course you want a right wing Tory who is going to believe anything you say...

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:11 pm

Ha ha.

And one with no expertise on Education issues at all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:24 pm

Andy Burnham's speech moved me. I'm happy with him as Health Secretary.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:25 pm

Replying to an academic arguing Perm Secs need 5 years, I suggested Chris Wormald could usefully be turned over a bit quicker.

He rather indiscreetly retweeted me.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:28 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Replying to an academic arguing Perm Secs need 5 years, I suggested Chris Wormald could usefully be turned over a bit quicker.

He rather indiscreetly retweeted me.

Ha!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:30 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:They've just opened up comments on this article ... I posted about it earlier when there was no comments facility.

Green party’s flagship economic policy would hit poorest hardest, say experts
Citizen’s income – an unconditional income for every individual – would not work as hoped unless means-tested, say researchers
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -hits-poor

Enjoyed the CI advocacy on here but on current evidence, they're ahead of where the Greens are on it.

I suppose you get this sort of thing when members get such a say. Easy for policy to become a collection of hobby horses.

Heck of a let off for Labour, unless they can firm it up.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:35 pm

See, the thing is, Alan Milburn, you're former - you hear me? A 'leading former' something or other...you're done now. Get out of the way.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:37 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Andy Burnham ‏@andyburnhammp 15m15 minutes ago
READ > my full speech setting out Labour's 10-year plan to build a national health & care service > http://andyburnhammp.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... r.html?m=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

I think I feel hopeful! Not that the newspaper headlines would be any help to Labour, thanks to Milburn and co

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 27 Jan, 2015 11:38 pm