Thursday 12th February 2015

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:25 pm

Sorry, it's that time of the afternoon.

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Tim Shipman retweeted
TONY SNELL (Snelly) ‏@snellyradio 7m7 minutes ago
Hate it when the pen is broken don't you?

Toby Latimer · Post by **Toby Latimer** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:27 pm

Cameron being HORRID

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rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:30 pm

Halifax MP Linda Riordan to stand down at general election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-31434198
Halifax MP Linda Riordan has announced she will not stand at the general election because of health problems.

The 61-year-old said rheumatoid arthritis had made it "increasingly difficult to carry out the job as effectively as I would like"...

Her seat is a Conservative target at the general election in May and Prime Minister David Cameron chose Halifax as the place to launch the first Conservative poster campaign of the year in January.

At the time Mrs Riordan told the BBC: "I am glad the prime minister decided to come to Halifax. At least it means he knows where the town is now."

As her decision to not fight the seat again has come so close to May's election, the Labour Party nationally will put forward a list of candidates rather than the local party choosing...

Mrs Riordan is the fourth Labour MP in West Yorkshire to confirm they will not be standing again in May.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:31 pm

Paul Flynn ‏@PaulFlynnMP 2m2 minutes ago
Glimmer of peace hope in Ukraine enrages Liam Fox, Leader of the GIVE WAR A CHANCE PARTY.

Love him.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:34 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Halifax MP Linda Riordan to stand down at general election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-31434198
Halifax MP Linda Riordan has announced she will not stand at the general election because of health problems.

The 61-year-old said rheumatoid arthritis had made it "increasingly difficult to carry out the job as effectively as I would like"...

Her seat is a Conservative target at the general election in May and Prime Minister David Cameron chose Halifax as the place to launch the first Conservative poster campaign of the year in January.

At the time Mrs Riordan told the BBC: "I am glad the prime minister decided to come to Halifax. At least it means he knows where the town is now."

As her decision to not fight the seat again has come so close to May's election, the Labour Party nationally will put forward a list of candidates rather than the local party choosing...

Mrs Riordan is the fourth Labour MP in West Yorkshire to confirm they will not be standing again in May.

" ..... Conservative target ..... !=".

:lol!:

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/conl ... ml#Halifax" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:38 pm

Harry Leslie Smith ‏@Harryslaststand · 6m6 minutes ago
Telegraph says screaming about #taxdodgers is new witch hunt does that mean DWP stopped harassing disabled claimants

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... nting.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:43 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Tish wrote:Just seen a clip of Farage on the BBC, looked most uncomfortable when asked about the Lord Fink tax avoidance story (as well as very sweaty and jowly). Tried to waffle on about the danger of the black economy being more important, presumably plumbers working cash in hand are considered far worse than multi millionaire tax dodgers down at UKIP towers, but eventually came up with the classic argument that if only the tax system were "simplified" people would stop indulging in these dubious schemes. Presumably in the same way that if we were allowed to just things from shops without paying, people would stop shoplifting.
I sensed that Nigel Farage has hit the buffers\painted himself into a corner\taken the 'bus down a narrow cul-de-sac - and knows it (in an involuntary exhibition of self-awareness). He daren't talk about policy because that always ends up in so much desperate back-pedalling - but he's run out of time for the mere waffle which has, let's be honest, served him fairly well to date. I think he knows it.

Perhaps Farage chose today for his pre-election-but-still-no-manifesto-launch speech because he thought that the 'bombshell opinion poll' Smithson trailed, the other day, might show that the UKIP share of the vote had shot up – which could have pushed him and his party right up the news-agenda. So his confidence, having seen their vote share plummet to 9%, might finally have taken a knock – and the news channels cut away from his waffle for weather, news headlines, and Ed Miliband's speech.

Mind you, the Beeb had already gone over to that hall in Clacton at the appointed time, watched someone else take the stage when they were expecting Farage, went off to cover other stories in the meantime, and he was already in full flow by the time they went 'live', so the broadcast of his speech was cut short from both ends. Still not short enough for me, mind

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:43 pm

Steve McCabe ‏@steve_mccabe 1m1 minute ago
Council house if you give up benefits (for life?) Sounds bit like Rights for Shares but even more of a disaster -latest IDS wheeze for votes

Tories have got a price for everything and absolutely no idea about values.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:47 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Tish wrote:Just seen a clip of Farage on the BBC, looked most uncomfortable when asked about the Lord Fink tax avoidance story (as well as very sweaty and jowly). Tried to waffle on about the danger of the black economy being more important, presumably plumbers working cash in hand are considered far worse than multi millionaire tax dodgers down at UKIP towers, but eventually came up with the classic argument that if only the tax system were "simplified" people would stop indulging in these dubious schemes. Presumably in the same way that if we were allowed to just things from shops without paying, people would stop shoplifting.
I sensed that Nigel Farage has hit the buffers\painted himself into a corner\taken the 'bus down a narrow cul-de-sac - and knows it (in an involuntary exhibition of self-awareness). He daren't talk about policy because that always ends up in so much desperate back-pedalling - but he's run out of time for the mere waffle which has, let's be honest, served him fairly well to date. I think he knows it.
Perhaps Farage chose today for his pre-election-but-still-no-manifesto-launch speech because he thought that the 'bombshell opinion poll' Smithson trailed, the other day, might show that the UKIP share of the vote had shot up – which could have pushed him and his party right up the news-agenda. So his confidence, having seen their vote share plummet to 9%, might finally have taken a knock – and the news channels cut away from his waffle for weather, news headlines, and Ed Miliband's speech.

Mind you, the Beeb had already gone over to that hall in Clacton at the appointed time, watched someone else take the stage when they were expecting Farage, went off to cover other stories in the meantime, and he was already in full flow by the time they went 'live', so the broadcast of his speech was cut short from both ends. Still not short enough for me, mind

He didn't seems to be quite his usual self, somehow. Diminished, even. Not that I'm complaining . . . .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:50 pm

Can anyone find the Hansard account of what Ed Miliband actually said yesterday, please? I've tried and failed. I remember it as Ed Miliband remembers it - but I'd be interested to check. If I'm right, perhaps "we" could "Tweet" the relevant bit?

Edited to add -

Or would there be too many (dodgy or otherwise) characters?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:53 pm

PorFavor wrote:
JustMom wrote:Sparrow just refers to him as Miliband,yet all the other leaders he calls by their full names.
They call him Mr Sparrow . . .

I won't say what I call a lot of his work. Okay. I will. That dumbass, bewildered, 'Miliband vs. Fink' write up was confused. I've had enough of this journalist's shit.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 4:54 pm

Having looked at his Twitter feed I think Nick Robinson might join Cathy Newman in having some time off. Getting pasted.

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:02 pm

Spacedone wrote:Having looked at his Twitter feed I think Nick Robinson might join Cathy Newman in having some time off. Getting pasted.

Social media is the new media. The MSM haven't quite twigged that yet.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:06 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Steve McCabe ‏@steve_mccabe 1m1 minute ago
Council house if you give up benefits (for life?) Sounds bit like Rights for Shares but even more of a disaster -latest IDS wheeze for votes
Tories have got a price for everything and absolutely no idea about values.

I don't care if someone never claims benefits again. I'm not giving them a house cheap.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:15 pm

ohsocynical wrote:NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 4 hrs4 hours ago
New #GE2015 forecast from @pollingobs has initial seat projections of:

CON 269
LAB 293
LIB 21
UKIP 1
SNP 47

I'd tell the SNP to put the Tories in or get lost, if that happened.

Presume that would Carswell winning, and not Fargle or Reckless. Not the best career move anyone's ever made.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:17 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Halifax MP Linda Riordan to stand down at general election
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-31434198
Halifax MP Linda Riordan has announced she will not stand at the general election because of health problems.

The 61-year-old said rheumatoid arthritis had made it "increasingly difficult to carry out the job as effectively as I would like"...

Her seat is a Conservative target at the general election in May and Prime Minister David Cameron chose Halifax as the place to launch the first Conservative poster campaign of the year in January.

At the time Mrs Riordan told the BBC: "I am glad the prime minister decided to come to Halifax. At least it means he knows where the town is now."

As her decision to not fight the seat again has come so close to May's election, the Labour Party nationally will put forward a list of candidates rather than the local party choosing...

Mrs Riordan is the fourth Labour MP in West Yorkshire to confirm they will not be standing again in May.
" ..... Conservative target ..... !=".

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/conl ... ml#Halifax" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You're forgetting Labour's Asian support collapsing...

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:19 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
" ..... Conservative target ..... !=".

http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/conl ... ml#Halifax" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You're forgetting Labour's Asian support collapsing...

All going to UKIP I gather.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:21 pm

PorFavor wrote:Can anyone find the Hansard account of what Ed Miliband actually said yesterday, please? I've tried and failed. I remember it as Ed Miliband remembers it - but I'd be interested to check. If I'm right, perhaps "we" could "Tweet" the relevant bit?

Edited to add -

Or would there be too many (dodgy or otherwise) characters?

Here's Hansard with the entire exchange but if you're referring specifically to Fink, Ed said:

Edward Miliband: Let us talk about the difference between the Prime Minister and me. None of those people has given a penny on my watch, and he is up to his neck in this. Let us take Stanley Fink, who gave £3 million to the Conservative party. The Prime Minister actually appointed him as treasurer of the party and gave him a peerage for good measure. Will he now explain what steps he is going to take about the tax avoidance activities of Lord Fink?

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1185000238" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No slander, nothing that would ever remotely have stood up in court if Fink had been so stupid as to carry out his 'threat'

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:24 pm

Spacedone wrote:Having looked at his Twitter feed I think Nick Robinson might join Cathy Newman in having some time off. Getting pasted.

Robinson needs to publicly & privately apologise to Labour & to Ed.

I also think Guido Fawkes could be sued for libel because based on no evidence whatsoever, he named Tom Baldwin as a source for the Milly Dowler reference.

I would happily contribute to a crowdfund for Baldwin to sue the arse off that twat

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:25 pm

pk1 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Can anyone find the Hansard account of what Ed Miliband actually said yesterday, please? I've tried and failed. I remember it as Ed Miliband remembers it - but I'd be interested to check. If I'm right, perhaps "we" could "Tweet" the relevant bit?

Edited to add -

Or would there be too many (dodgy or otherwise) characters?
Here's Hansard with the entire exchange but if you're referring specifically to Fink, Ed said:

Edward Miliband: Let us talk about the difference between the Prime Minister and me. None of those people has given a penny on my watch, and he is up to his neck in this. Let us take Stanley Fink, who gave £3 million to the Conservative party. The Prime Minister actually appointed him as treasurer of the party and gave him a peerage for good measure. Will he now explain what steps he is going to take about the tax avoidance activities of Lord Fink?
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1185000238" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No slander, nothing that would ever remotely have stood up in court if Fink had been so stupid as to carry out his 'threat'

Thank you. (I was sort of counting on you and you didn't let me down!) Bit long for a "Tweet", as I suspected, though. Pity.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:26 pm

PorFavor wrote:Can anyone find the Hansard account of what Ed Miliband actually said yesterday, please? I've tried and failed. I remember it as Ed Miliband remembers it - but I'd be interested to check. If I'm right, perhaps "we" could "Tweet" the relevant bit?

Edited to add -

Or would there be too many (dodgy or otherwise) characters?

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1185000238

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:27 pm

Well, learnt a lot from the cybernats on that "SNP defy austerity" thread.

They're actually the true progressives on freezing council tax because it's regressive. They'd love to give areas a choice about protecting their services, but they can't because it's regressive. Which must be what Eric Pickles is too coy to say.

Local income tax- that's progressive. But hasn't been brought in despite majority for nearly 4 years. And existing income tax powers- they can't be used, because because.

Always good to remind them that the SNP used to support using them, but died on its arse electorally, and came back as uber taxcutters.

Nationalism. It lets you get away with that sort of thing.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:27 pm

Oops....too late.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:28 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 4 hrs4 hours ago
New #GE2015 forecast from @pollingobs has initial seat projections of:

CON 269
LAB 293
LIB 21
UKIP 1
SNP 47
I'd tell the SNP to put the Tories in or get lost, if that happened.

Presume that would Carswell winning, and not Fargle or Reckless. Not the best career move anyone's ever made.

Eh ?

Con & SNP = 316

Lab & SNP = 340

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:31 pm

PorFavor wrote: Thank you. (I was sort of counting on you and you didn't let me down!) Bit long for a "Tweet", as I suspected, though. Pity.

Yeah, the only way round it is to attach it as a photo as I did yesterday:

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:34 pm

Patrick Butler ‏@patrickjbutler 17m17 minutes ago
Excellent piece by @dawnhfoster: ‘Gifting’ council houses, IDS, is a breathtakingly stupid idea http://gu.com/p/45n2g/stw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some great comments BTL too. Pointing out the obvious scams that will be employed by dodgy companies and individuals ... e.g. provide a fake, or even genuine, job to eligible tenants and divy up the proceeds on selling said house some way down the line.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:35 pm

pk1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK 4 hrs4 hours ago
New #GE2015 forecast from @pollingobs has initial seat projections of:

CON 269
LAB 293
LIB 21
UKIP 1
SNP 47
I'd tell the SNP to put the Tories in or get lost, if that happened.

Presume that would Carswell winning, and not Fargle or Reckless. Not the best career move anyone's ever made.
Eh ?

Con & SNP = 316

Lab & SNP = 340

I think tubby means CON+LIB<LAB.

I'm going to stick my neck out here. I think Labour will get more than 300 & very close to an overall majority.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:36 pm

Oh yeah.

When Sturgeon says her approach is resonating with the "Labour movement", it's unfair to quote actual trade unions who aren't impressed. Because Labour.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:38 pm

gilsey wrote:
pk1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote: I'd tell the SNP to put the Tories in or get lost, if that happened.

Presume that would Carswell winning, and not Fargle or Reckless. Not the best career move anyone's ever made.
Eh ?

Con & SNP = 316

Lab & SNP = 340
I think tubby means CON+LIB<LAB.

I'm going to stick my neck out here. I think Labour will get more than 300 & very close to an overall majority.

I agree with you.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:40 pm

PorFavor wrote:
pk1 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Can anyone find the Hansard account of what Ed Miliband actually said yesterday, please? I've tried and failed. I remember it as Ed Miliband remembers it - but I'd be interested to check. If I'm right, perhaps "we" could "Tweet" the relevant bit?

Edited to add -

Or would there be too many (dodgy or otherwise) characters?
Here's Hansard with the entire exchange but if you're referring specifically to Fink, Ed said:

Edward Miliband: Let us talk about the difference between the Prime Minister and me. None of those people has given a penny on my watch, and he is up to his neck in this. Let us take Stanley Fink, who gave £3 million to the Conservative party. The Prime Minister actually appointed him as treasurer of the party and gave him a peerage for good measure. Will he now explain what steps he is going to take about the tax avoidance activities of Lord Fink?
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1185000238" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No slander, nothing that would ever remotely have stood up in court if Fink had been so stupid as to carry out his 'threat'
Thank you. (I was sort of counting on you and you didn't let me down!) Bit long for a "Tweet", as I suspected, though. Pity.

You underestimate our cunning

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:40 pm

pk1 wrote:
PorFavor wrote: Thank you. (I was sort of counting on you and you didn't let me down!) Bit long for a "Tweet", as I suspected, though. Pity.
Yeah, the only way round it is to attach it as a photo as I did yesterday:

Who's a clever clogs, then? I'm useless at all that malarkey. Thanks for finding a way round it and doing it (before I even thought of it)!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:41 pm

Ian ‏@Mancman10 5 mins5 minutes ago

ComRes poll Today: Improving Housing affordability ~ LABOUR 32% CONSERVATIVE 19% #GE2015

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:41 pm

PorFavor wrote:
pk1 wrote:
PorFavor wrote: Thank you. (I was sort of counting on you and you didn't let me down!) Bit long for a "Tweet", as I suspected, though. Pity.
Yeah, the only way round it is to attach it as a photo as I did yesterday:
Who's a clever clogs, then? I'm useless at all that malarkey. Thanks for finding a way round it and doing it (before I even thought of it)!

Me I'm a clever clogs too look

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:41 pm

gilsey wrote:
pk1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote: I'd tell the SNP to put the Tories in or get lost, if that happened.

Presume that would Carswell winning, and not Fargle or Reckless. Not the best career move anyone's ever made.
Eh ?

Con & SNP = 316

Lab & SNP = 340
I think tubby means CON+LIB<LAB.

I'm going to stick my neck out here. I think Labour will get more than 300 & very close to an overall majority.

I hadn't looked at it that way- CON, UKIP and LIB indeed can't defeat LAB.

Any problems, make it a confidence motion. SNP can't bring the government down.

Don't let them take credit for having forced Labour to the left.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:43 pm

Ian ‏@Mancman10 8 mins8 minutes ago

ComRes poll Today: Improve the Education System ~ LABOUR 28% CONSERVATIVE 25% #GE2015

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:43 pm

Sorry pk1 for the duplication and hats off to the blue highlighting

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:43 pm

Ian ‏@Mancman10 10 mins10 minutes ago

ComRes poll Today: Keep the costs of everyday items, such as food,energy & travel ~ LABOUR 30% CONSERVATIVE 22% #GE2015

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:52 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
gilsey wrote:
pk1 wrote: Eh ?

Con & SNP = 316

Lab & SNP = 340
I think tubby means CON+LIB<LAB.

I'm going to stick my neck out here. I think Labour will get more than 300 & very close to an overall majority.
I hadn't looked at it that way- CON, UKIP and LIB indeed can't defeat LAB.

Any problems, make it a confidence motion. SNP can't bring the government down.

Don't let them take credit for having forced Labour to the left.

I've tried very politely to say here before that we folk might just consider a more benign view of the SNP - surely the most likely outcome of the next GE is a Labour / SNP arrangement of some kind.

This would IMHO be just fine. The SNP have no interest in making claims about being left wing. Labour will be more than happy to give them more autonomy, which is fine by me. And the rest of us can get on with saving the NHS, stopping persecution of the disabled, living wage, schools back on track, environment, Lords reform and all the things we care about.

P.S. If I were Ed and in a position to do so I would include the Greens in such an alliance even if the arithmetic didn't dictate it.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:52 pm

Put it another way who would you rather have as Miliband's ally? Clegg or Sturgeon?

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:55 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Patrick Butler ‏@patrickjbutler 17m17 minutes ago
Excellent piece by @dawnhfoster: ‘Gifting’ council houses, IDS, is a breathtakingly stupid idea http://gu.com/p/45n2g/stw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some great comments BTL too. Pointing out the obvious scams that will be employed by dodgy companies and individuals ... e.g. provide a fake, or even genuine, job to eligible tenants and divy up the proceeds on selling said house some way down the line.

Tempted to go and read that, Dawn always writes well. The Guardian were idiots not to keep her on staff, but she didn't always toe the party line.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:56 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Sorry pk1 for the duplication and hats off to the blue highlighting

Well, there's clever clogs & there's clever clogs......

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:57 pm

I would almost give my left arm to be a fly on the wall at Tory headquarters.

Dave's bewilderment over Ed being horrid to him is proof, if proof were needed, that the present bunch of Conservatives are arrogant to the point of ignorance.

And does anyone else associate "horrid" as being an upper class nursery word?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:58 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Put it another way who would you rather have as Miliband's ally? Clegg or Sturgeon?

Farron is the answer for all sorts of reasons. The SNP are not interested in people just flags.

JustMom · Post by **JustMom** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 5:59 pm

I do.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:01 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Put it another way who would you rather have as Miliband's ally? Clegg or Sturgeon?

I don't think it's going to be Clegg anyway ... whatever deals are done or not done with the Lib Dems.

I'm not sure 'ally' will be the right term either. I can't see the SNP / Sturgeon / Salmond switching off the anti Labour / red Tories rhetoric - even if they are providing a confidence and supply arrangement.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:03 pm

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 4h4 hours ago
Which party do you trust on which issue? Labour ahead on seven, Tories and UKIP on two. (via ComRes)

ErnstRemarx · Post by **ErnstRemarx** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:06 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Very interesting Peter Oborne article at the Spectator.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/943 ... succeeded/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's a very good article - expect nothing like it to appear in the mainstream press - particularly the Gruan.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:08 pm

ohsocynical wrote:I would almost give my left arm to be a fly on the wall at Tory headquarters.

Dave's bewilderment over Ed being horrid to him is proof, if proof were needed, that the present bunch of Conservatives are arrogant to the point of ignorance.

And does anyone else associate "horrid" as being an upper class nursery word?

I think just about everyone other than Empty and his cronies associate 'horrid' as a spoilt rotten upper class twat kind of response.

It's got a bit of a pout and flounce about it when said by Cameron.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:11 pm

Margaret Halliday retweeted
Saggydaddy ‏@Saggydaddy 17 mins17 minutes ago

Stanley #Fink as a director of ARK Schools has obviously forgotten ARK holds up to 60 per cent of its funds in the Cayman Islands #bbcqt

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 12 Feb, 2015 6:12 pm

Margaret Halliday retweeted
Saggydaddy ‏@Saggydaddy 17 mins17 minutes ago

Stanley #Fink as a director of ARK Schools has obviously forgotten ARK holds up to 60 per cent of its funds in the Cayman Islands #bbcqt