Saturday 14th & Sunday 15th February 2015

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 12:32 am

FWIW Callaghan was always more popular than Thatcher ,the difference increased as the 79 election drew near ,I have no idea if any inference can be drawn from that.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:23 am

Regarding the even Wollaston's against it proposed twaddle.

I note the 100,000 figure was derived by an oh so convenient freedom of information request,replied to at the required time and announced at the weekend for both maximum impact and less scrutiny even than usual which isn't a lot at the best of times.Main disabled condition doesn't really tell you a lot;the majority of people have more than one if not at the initial claim,certainly as time goes on.It did provide an opportunity to repeat the x amount of people on "sickness benefit"(which doesn't actually exist and has deliberate connotations of a slight sniffle )for x years.You at the back there,can you think of a possible reason why despite both Governments repeated attempts to lessen the number of the long term sick/disabled it remains the same."Cos there refusing treatment innit" or as the Guardian a friend indeed puts it "choosing to get benefits instead of working."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:37 am

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... ns-8645667" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bishop of Liverpool condemns benefit sanctions and says the growing need for foodbanks is a 'scandal'

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 5:55 am

HindleA wrote:Regarding the even Wollaston's against it proposed twaddle.

I note the 100,000 figure was derived by an oh so convenient freedom of information request,replied to at the required time and announced at the weekend for both maximum impact and less scrutiny even than usual which isn't a lot at the best of times.Main disabled condition doesn't really tell you a lot;the majority of people have more than one if not at the initial claim,certainly as time goes on.It did provide an opportunity to repeat the x amount of people on "sickness benefit"(which doesn't actually exist and has deliberate connotations of a slight sniffle )for x years.You at the back there,can you think of a possible reason why despite both Governments repeated attempts to lessen the number of the long term sick/disabled it remains the same."Cos there refusing treatment innit" or as the Guardian a friend indeed puts it "choosing to get benefits instead of working."

And wasn't there a fairly big thing, a year or so ago, about the numbers of people claiming for 'a bad back' or obesity? Yet it turned out that what the DWP 'spokesmen' were describing as the 'main' condition was whatever someone put down first in a list of problems, rather than the condition/illness (in a list of physical/medical problems) that was most serious and/or limiting for the claimant.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 7:12 am

Good article here from Joan Smith of Hacked Off.

If Ed Miliband is useless, why are some newspapers so bothered by him?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/if- ... 46673.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 7:27 am

Concern over ‘tax on justice’ for employees sparks coalition clash

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/f ... ince-cable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stark figures published by the justice ministry have shown a fall in the number of sex discrimination cases at employment tribunals from 6,310 in the three months before the charges were introduced in July last year to 591 – a 90% fall – during the same period this year. The success rate of the claimants has not significantly changed, suggesting that claims of a high number of frivolous claims under the old system was overstated.

Race discrimination claims are also down 60%, from 1,089 to 422. Overall, 44,334 claims of all types were made to tribunals between April and June 2013. By this spring, the figure was only 8,540 – a fall of 81%.

I knew that forcing employees to pay a huge fee was going to cut the number of tribunals but those figures are shocking.

The rest of the article is a Lib-Dem puff piece about how they've been fighting private battles etc.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 7:33 am

Ed Balls and Iain Duncan Smith on the Marr Show today... compare and contrast the style of questioning...

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 8:02 am

LBC reporting that Universal Credit is being rolled out nationwide tomorrow.

Or not...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31476172" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But from Monday the benefit will be made available in 150 job centres over the next two months, with all job centres due to be covered by next year.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 8:42 am

Spacedone wrote:LBC reporting that Universal Credit is being rolled out nationwide tomorrow.

Or not...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31476172" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But from Monday the benefit will be made available in 150 job centres over the next two months, with all job centres due to be covered by next year.

and then there's this small admission ...

Predicted £2.2bn savings from universal credit cut by three-quarters
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 46811.html
... In 2012, it projected savings of £2.2bn a year from reduced fraud, error and overpayments, but this month cut the figure to £600m.

The number of households which would lose out under the new system has also been revised upwards from 2.8 million to “around three million”...

When is IDS going to get sanctioned for a complete failure to do his job properly and decently? He is going to be years late with completing even the first stages of his tasks ... others lose everything for being a few minutes late regardless of whether it is their fault or not.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 8:44 am

Jon Trickett ‏@jon_trickett 16m16 minutes ago
Ukip want to do mass fracking in Yorkshire. I say 'Frackers' to ukip

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 9:08 am

HindleA wrote:FWIW Callaghan was always more popular than Thatcher ,the difference increased as the 79 election drew near ,I have no idea if any inference can be drawn from that.

A point I made several times in The Other Place in response to NickyB's dribble about no leader having ever won an election with such low personal ratings; Notso tried to respond a couple of times, in his typically contrarian fashion, but it ended up as something like "But, but, but .....bacon sandwich".

Think I'll give the Mail On Sunday a swerve Dan, I had the misfortune to meet Koo Stark back in my book selling days (she'd published a book of photographs, what we in the trade called "an instant remainder"), the Karen Danczuk of her day - and, to be frank, I may be doing Mrs Danczuk and injustice with that comparison.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 9:17 am

Apologies if someone has already flagged this one up ... but it sends shivers down my spine. We have to get Lansley's bill scrapped.

NHS private health provider accused of US hospice fraud
Optum, one of 12 firms favoured by NHS, accused of admitting patients who were not terminally ill in order to boost profits
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... pice-fraud

According to the lawsuit, Optum, which changed its name from Evercare in March 2014, “consistently and deliberately” sought to increase the number of patients for whom it could bill for end-of-life hospice care, despite repeated warnings that a substantial portion of its patients were not terminally ill.

It claims: “Evercare sought out categories of patients that required fewer resources and lived for longer periods of time, thereby maximising its profits from Medicare, the source of approximately 90% of its revenue.”

According to paperwork filed at the US district court for Colorado in February 2011, nearly half of its 1,289 patients had lived in one of its hospices for six months or longer, by which time a terminally ill patient is expected to die.

The lawsuit says: “Evercare’s philosophy was to bring lots of patients into hospices without care and attention to their eligibility for hospice care, and then make it hard for them to leave, even when its own staff caring for the patients … thought the patients should be discharged.”

(my bold)

I believe the first of those practices in bold is known as cherry picking and, if they knew they weren't terminally ill, fraud.

The second practice seems to pretty much amount to coercion and false imprisonment.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 9:29 am

Marr suddenly wants to know all about deeds of variation. BBC needs a big clear-out.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 9:31 am

Rawnsley doing the impossible here, making that disgusting little soiree Dave held this week look even more repulsive than I imagined.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -arrogance" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 9:45 am

@letsskip

I did like "The prime minister was delivered to his fund-raiser in a vehicle with tinted windows while other guests were smuggled in by the back door, as if the event at the Grosvenor were a convention of mafia dons."

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 9:52 am

HindleA wrote:@letsskip

I did like "The prime minister was delivered to his fund-raiser in a vehicle with tinted windows while other guests were smuggled in by the back door, as if the event at the Grosvenor were a convention of mafia dons."

Indeed, but a man of Dave's standing, old Etonian and all that can't be openly seen schmoozing with pornographers and such like, that happens behind closed doors..

Worst PM ever. Cohen was bang on the money last night too.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 9:54 am

Christ this Marr interview of IDS is little more than a party political broadcast.

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 9:59 am

Campbell gives an interview to the Sunday Times and says all politicians need a shrink, cue piece in the Telegraph ''Campbell, Ed Miliband needs a shrink'' the tax dodging Barclay brothers are getting steamed up aren't they?

Anyhow, Campbell probably saw it coming.

http://www.alastaircampbell.org/blog/20 ... l-support/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **letsskiptotheleft** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 10:01 am

Spacedone wrote:Christ this Marr interview of IDS is little more than a party political broadcast.

I couldn't watch it, the intro was bad enough, seeing his egg-head nearly put me off my scrambled eggs on toast.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 10:07 am

letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Christ this Marr interview of IDS is little more than a party political broadcast.

I couldn't watch it, the intro was bad enough, seeing his egg-head nearly put me off my scrambled eggs on toast.

As someone on Twitter said, all that was missing was a pot of Darjeeling and some cucumber sandwiches. Someone else counted 30 interruptions of Balls and 17 of IDS but the IDS 'interruptions' were basically feeder lines, there wasn't really any attempt to dispute any of the bollocks IDS was talking.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 10:07 am

IDS on Marr:

People on benefits must take as much responsibility for their lives as those in work - who have to decide how many children they have and where they live on the basis of their job, Iain Duncan Smith says. Welfare changes are not about penalising people, he adds.

But people on benefits also took decisions about where to live and how many children to have when they were in work - and then they were made redundant. If most people only claim benefits for 4 to 5 months then most benefit claimants are like most people - they're not some separate section of society that need to learn responsibility. When did this idea that JSA was somehow only for people that have never had a job rather than what it really is - a safety net we all use from time to time - take hold?

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 10:11 am

Pete Morgan ‏@MobyMooby 5 mins5 minutes ago

“@politicshome: IDS tells #Marr that Universal Credit is £600m under budget”>Breathtaking chutzpah.

Toby Latimer · Post by **Toby Latimer** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 10:13 am

Spacedone wrote:Christ this Marr interview of IDS is little more than a party political broadcast.

Impartial moi ?

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 10:18 am

It is Martin Rowson's birthday,he has given an opinion about IDS,on twitter,it was brief and I can only concur.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 10:22 am

Adam Bienkov ‏@AdamBienkov 16 mins16 minutes ago

Iain Duncan Smith tells #marr that "lots" of obese people claiming disability benefits. DWP admit it's just 1,780.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 10:54 am

Spacedone wrote:
Adam Bienkov ‏@AdamBienkov 16 mins16 minutes ago

Iain Duncan Smith tells #marr that "lots" of obese people claiming disability benefits. DWP admit it's just 1,780.

Which is, apparently, roughly one quarter of the number of people who avoided tax using HSBC's advice but somehow so much more important. Look, a squirrel .....

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 11:02 am

ErnstRemarx wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
ErnstRemarx wrote: But this is the Wail we're talking about, and the CofE has been a pain in their arse for years. Relax. This is the Maul wanking itself into one of its self0selected rages ("Why oh why, oh why....?").

It's their usual subliterate, below average IQ, outraged pish that they know animates the morons and retards that read their diseased organ. Or, in other words, business as usual.
All well and good, but my F-i-L is an RAF Lancaster Navigator who saw this over breakfast (in assisted living accommodation) and was deeply hurt by it
Get him to read a proper newspaper instead of that execrable rag.

It wasn't his paper. He lives in assisted living accommodation and the papers are put out in the breakfast room so they can take what they want! He's 94 and I think, owed a little respect rather than his feeling dismissed out of hand.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 11:18 am

Prader-Willi syndrome.I know of it,he should.Just one example.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 11:49 am

A really rather good article, in Shortlist of all publications.

http://www.shortlist.com/home/ed-miliba ... -shortlist" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 12:10 pm

Never even heard of Shortlist before, but that piece puts several MSM outfits to shame.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 12:22 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Never even heard of Shortlist before, but that piece puts several MSM outfits to shame.

Neither had I so I looked it up on Wikipedia to check on its circulation and target audience. Here's what Wikipedia had to say:

ShortList is a free weekly magazine published in the United Kingdom, which launched on 20 September 2007.[3] The magazine has the biggest circulation of any men's lifestyle magazine in Britain[2] with Martin Robinson as its editor. Mike Soutar, former editorial director of IPC Media, editor of FHM in the UK and US Maxim, is the CEO.[4] The magazine is targeted at an audience of professional males.[5] According to figures for the second half of 2013, ShortList had an audited circulation of 534,692, and its bi-annual sister publication, Shortlist Mode, had a circulation of 260,615.[2]

ShortList is published by Shortlist Media Ltd, which also publishes Stylist.

Surprised (and cheered) me.

Good afternoon, everyone.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 12:22 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Never even heard of Shortlist before, but that piece puts several MSM outfits to shame.

It is a free weekly lifestyle magazine given out a train, bus and underground stations in (and I quote)

Birmingham, Bristol, Brighton, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds, Liverpool, London, Manchester, Newcastle, Nottingham and Plymouth. Additionally, ShortList is also distributed in Aberdeen and Dundee.

Copies are also made available for pick-up throughout the week from Wednesday at selected airlines (in-flight and at the airport gates and lounges), hotels, fashion retailers, restaurants, city centre offices, financial institutions, shops such as French Connection, coaches, golf clubs, universities and health clubs around the UK.

Roughly 500000 copies are given out each week, but probably read by more than that; copies tend to be abandoned on trains and buses when people finish reading and are often picked up by the next person using that seat (well, it is better than having to look at/talk to your fellow passengers). So that article has the potential to be read by a heck of a lot of people over the next few days, a very shrewd move on the part of the Labour Press team.

Edited to add - Afternoon PF.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:11 pm

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Rawnsley doing the impossible here, making that disgusting little soiree Dave held this week look even more repulsive than I imagined.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -arrogance" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wow. Spot on.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:17 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Spacedone wrote:
Adam Bienkov ‏@AdamBienkov 16 mins16 minutes ago

Iain Duncan Smith tells #marr that "lots" of obese people claiming disability benefits. DWP admit it's just 1,780.
Which is, apparently, roughly one quarter of the number of people who avoided tax using HSBC's advice but somehow so much more important. Look, a squirrel .....

Indeed. The cost of those 1780 people is roughly £40-50million pa. The cost of taxes lost to the Treasury in one year due to avoidance and evasion was £34billion.

We're gonna need a bigger squirrel.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:19 pm

Spacedone wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
Spacedone wrote:
Which is, apparently, roughly one quarter of the number of people who avoided tax using HSBC's advice but somehow so much more important. Look, a squirrel .....
Indeed. The cost of those 1780 people is roughly £40-50million pa. The cost of taxes lost to the Treasury in one year due to avoidance and evasion was £34billion.

We're gonna need a bigger squirrel.

How about: Look a pink van!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:29 pm

refitman wrote:In tomorrow's Indy:

Hey, great colour scheme!

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:37 pm

A very different tone on social media this week.

A definite shift in public feeling. For example, just saw this linked;

The Pitchforks Are Coming… For Us Plutocrats
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... 08014.html

Not the usual sort of thing doing the rounds. Labour well do well to keep on this tax issue, it is striking a chord with the public and the media aren't in a position to spin it for the tories. Although they are trying like Hell to.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:38 pm

Toby Latimer wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Christ this Marr interview of IDS is little more than a party political broadcast.
Impartial moi ?

B9UNHI5IgAAtE93.jpg

Dumb orange tie, Marr.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:51 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw8BAp5vDZo

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:56 pm

pk1 wrote:Shock news on Sunday's front pages:

Times has Top Labour donor, Sir David Garrard, in tax haven row

Telegraph has Top Labour donor facing 'tax dodge' accusations & names Dale Vince of Ecotricity who has made his first & only donation recently

and apparently the Scum on Sunday has its own story but no front page so no idea what it is going to allege.

I'm shocked to the very core.......not !

It's surely worth them dropping this subject.

It's not just that the Tories are always going to have more, it's that nobody think they'll do anything about it.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:58 pm

Pink is like red but not quite

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 1:59 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well I never...

UK Education Matters
‏@SchoolDuggery
I'd missed this: DfE has rejected recommendation that govs don't serve on more than two GBs

https://twitter.com/SchoolDuggery/statu ... 8494028800

Lord Nash, Dan Moynihan of Harris, and probably countless other academy chiefs can breathe easily...their grip on their school governing bodies can continue...

Watch out for a lack of "Tories go easy on Islamist school infiltrators" headlines.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:02 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 2 hrs2 hours ago
UKIP's share seems to have declined in most recent polls. Worryingly for the Tories they don't appear to be getting much benefit

Yep.

Whatever we think about Labour acting UKIPpy, there is an electoral point in it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:09 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Apologies if someone has already flagged this one up ... but it sends shivers down my spine. We have to get Lansley's bill scrapped.

NHS private health provider accused of US hospice fraud
Optum, one of 12 firms favoured by NHS, accused of admitting patients who were not terminally ill in order to boost profits
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... pice-fraud

According to the lawsuit, Optum, which changed its name from Evercare in March 2014, “consistently and deliberately” sought to increase the number of patients for whom it could bill for end-of-life hospice care, despite repeated warnings that a substantial portion of its patients were not terminally ill.

It claims: “Evercare sought out categories of patients that required fewer resources and lived for longer periods of time, thereby maximising its profits from Medicare, the source of approximately 90% of its revenue.”

According to paperwork filed at the US district court for Colorado in February 2011, nearly half of its 1,289 patients had lived in one of its hospices for six months or longer, by which time a terminally ill patient is expected to die.

The lawsuit says: “Evercare’s philosophy was to bring lots of patients into hospices without care and attention to their eligibility for hospice care, and then make it hard for them to leave, even when its own staff caring for the patients … thought the patients should be discharged.”
(my bold)

I believe the first of those practices in bold is known as cherry picking and, if they knew they weren't terminally ill, fraud.

The second practice seems to pretty much amount to coercion and false imprisonment.

Medicare is government health funding for the retired. It's rife with fraud and I'm afraid many doctors are in it up to their necks.

http://www.stopmedicarefraud.gov/

Some years ago my daughter worked in a care home in Florida. It was her job to go to the local hospitals and tout for business. She had to assess which patients would benefit her care home the most and then sell a treatment package to them. And also persuade the doctor that her place would be best.

They wouldn't take anyone who was very obese because the staff didn't like having to lift them. Itinerants who'd slipped through the system were a no-no, and no-one wanted those suffering from Aids because once again the staff weren't keen on handling them.
The hospitals used to try to push the poor sods who came into those categories onto the homes because every day they were in hospital they were taking up a paying space. It was her job to make sure that didn't happen.

I can't say it happens in every single place in the US, but it was certainly true of where she lives.

And there was I a few years ago boasting about how that didn't happen over here....

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:25 pm

diGriz wrote:A very different tone on social media this week.

A definite shift in public feeling. For example, just saw this linked;

The Pitchforks Are Coming… For Us Plutocrats
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... 08014.html

Not the usual sort of thing doing the rounds. Labour well do well to keep on this tax issue, it is striking a chord with the public and the media aren't in a position to spin it for the tories. Although they are trying like Hell to.

That article is terrific.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:28 pm

I think we're all in the wrong job. How long have we been warning about Cameron and his arrogance?

Now, finally, two excellent articles by Rawnsley and Cohen, both on the same theme. And spot on. Both links have been posted here so I won't repeat them. But well worth a read.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:29 pm

gilsey wrote:
diGriz wrote:A very different tone on social media this week.

A definite shift in public feeling. For example, just saw this linked;

The Pitchforks Are Coming… For Us Plutocrats
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... 08014.html

Not the usual sort of thing doing the rounds. Labour well do well to keep on this tax issue, it is striking a chord with the public and the media aren't in a position to spin it for the tories. Although they are trying like Hell to.
That article is terrific.

Yes isn't it. Written by an American about the US, but just as relevant over here.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:33 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Just reading the latest accounts from Toby Young's school empire and...oh dear.

ac53is.jpg

Told Tim Fenton about this.

He sounds like he's going to write about it.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:35 pm

Rob Marchant ‏@rob_marchant 28m28 minutes ago
Can I say just how much the British left should *not* express solidarity with this Putin-supporting bunch of clowns?

He's responding to a tweet by Owen Jones saying people are gathering in Trafalgar Square to show their solidarity with Greece / Syriza.

Marchant seems to be of the same ilk as Rentoul and Hodges. I wonder if they all go drinking together - if they do that's a pub or bar to avoid.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 15 Feb, 2015 2:45 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Rob Marchant ‏@rob_marchant 28m28 minutes ago
Can I say just how much the British left should *not* express solidarity with this Putin-supporting bunch of clowns?
He's responding to a tweet by Owen Jones saying people are gathering in Trafalgar Square to show their solidarity with Greece / Syriza.

Marchant seems to be of the same ilk as Rentoul and Hodges. I wonder if they all go drinking together - if they do that's a pub or bar to avoid.

Labour Uncut.

Funny how they can overlook the moral taint of eg allies in Afghanistan. That's actual invasion too, not whatever Syriza are supposed to have done.