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Rather good this:

http://labourlist.org/2014/09/a-message ... icked-lie/

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What a farce.

Cameron had a nasty PMQs heading his way about Crosby.

Miliband ought to have turned up to the chamber and asked questions to an empty chair.


Oh yes? What's Crosby been up to now then?

Fair point re the Scottish parliament btw!

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Is it me or is this, from Clegg, just silly.
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Q: Why is there not a Commons statement on the agreement offering Scotland more devolution?

Because that’s an agreement between three parties, he says. It is not a government announcement. That’s because the election purdah rules apply.

Q: So why didn’t you make an announcment before purdah was applied?

We did, says Clegg. It was in August.


So if they are the same then if an announcement was made in August why cannot a Commons statement be made now (as there would me nothing new)?
Or if they are different then the 2nd answer makes no sense.


Perhaps he's just referring to the "three-party agreement" bit? But I agree that there's nothing stopping the government from talking just about their own, previously announced one-party plans. Except they are no doubt aware that anything emanating from them is toxic and thus feel the need to dilute their input. (And Labour has different ideas about the measures to be taken in the event of a "No" vote so, in that sense, it isn't really a fully rounded agreement.)


I suppose to be fair to Clegg as long as they made any announcement in August he wasn't lying in his answer!


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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/09/scottish-independence-saltire-flag-downing-street_n_5790436.html

:lol: Dearie me nothing goes right for Dave, does it :lol:

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My MP, no less 8-)


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NHS Trust selling off Charing Cross Hospital plans to double its income from private patients

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/nhs-trust-selling-charing-cross-7620071

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RobertSnozers wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
What a farce.

Cameron had a nasty PMQs heading his way about Crosby.

Miliband ought to have turned up to the chamber and asked questions to an empty chair.


Oh yes? What's Crosby been up to now then?

Fair point re the Scottish parliament btw!


Crosby last year: "I've never lobbied the health minister about tobacco packaging"
He'd lobbied the intellectual property minister (just before taking up Cameron job). If he had to take questions from a committee, that would have come out- intellectual property is the angle of attack from tobacco companies everywhere.
Instead, he got to hide behind Dave's skirts.

Re the Scottish Parliament, just had a Nat on another board do the old "Westminster Parties all Tories".
I said the SNP must be as well then.

Which makes scores on the doors in progressive Scottish Parliament, with PR and all.

Tories- 126
Radical Alternatives- 3

Even without PR, we have Galloway and Lucas in Westminster.

Progressive old Scotland, held back by nasty England!


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RobertSnozers wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
What a farce.

Cameron had a nasty PMQs heading his way about Crosby.

Miliband ought to have turned up to the chamber and asked questions to an empty chair.


Oh yes? What's Crosby been up to now then?


Fair point re the Scottish parliament btw!

Was lobbying for tobacco up until the day before being officially hired by the Tories.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... lip-morris


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The fab four. Boris's competition for the Uxbridge and South Ruislip seat revealed

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/nhs-trust-selling-charing-cross-7620071

A bit pointless I'd have said.

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My MP, no less 8-)


I know, my prospective one is being picked on 1/11, meeting a candidate tomorrow, from London, on paper very impressive.

Cue cries of ''parachutes'' ''parachutes''


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Eric Pickles must be bitterly disappointed that his flags initiative has failed so publicly.


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
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What a farce.

Cameron had a nasty PMQs heading his way about Crosby.

Miliband ought to have turned up to the chamber and asked questions to an empty chair.


Oh yes? What's Crosby been up to now then?

Fair point re the Scottish parliament btw!


Crosby last year: "I've never lobbied the health minister about tobacco packaging"
He'd lobbied the intellectual property minister (just before taking up Cameron job). If he had to take questions from a committee, that would have come out- intellectual property is the angle of attack from tobacco companies everywhere.
Instead, he got to hide behind Dave's skirts.

Re the Scottish Parliament, just had a Nat on another board do the old "Westminster Parties all Tories".
I said the SNP must be as well then.

Which makes scores on the doors in progressive Scottish Parliament, with PR and all.

Tories- 126
Radical Alternatives- 3

Even without PR, we have Galloway and Lucas in Westminster.

Progressive old Scotland, held back by nasty England!


You horrible, nasty English, never had anything to do with universal healthcare, education acts, welfare state, you oppressors you!

Stamping on the Celts for centuries.


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Bet this was hard for Ashcroft?

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status ... 8729912320


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You horrible, nasty English, never had anything to do with universal healthcare, education acts, welfare state, you oppressors you!

Stamping on the Celts for centuries.


:D

I think Wales can argue that much more than Scotland.
Scotland's the 3rd richest "region" of the UK, after London and the South East. But perhaps there's a moral league table somewhere, with Scotland tailed off last.


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I think if I hear Cameron say 'believe passionately', one more time,I'm going to hunt him down and punch him in the mouth.

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Blimey! That's really rubbing Cam's nose in it... :lol: What are all those unhappy Tory MPs going to make of it? I should imagine they've got his leaving present wrapped and ready to go.

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Blimey! That's really rubbing Cam's nose in it... :lol: What are all those unhappy Tory MPs going to make of it? I should imagine they've got his leaving present wrapped and ready to go.


Bet Cameron is cacking it, there's talk of Miliband being under pressure, which of course he is, all senior politicians are, the script writers are already trying to lay the blame on Labour, but Cameron has the hand of history on his shoulder, and either way he isn't going to come out of this smelling of roses.


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Love this Steve Bell cartoon from yesterday.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cartoon/2014/sep/08/steve-bell-if-scotland-vote

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Major global investors have been pulling billions of pounds out of the British economy due to fears that Scotland could vote “yes” to independence.
Sterling has fallen sharply since the shock poll at the weekend suggesting a narrow “yes” vote was on the cards. It fell again today until the governor of the Bank of England gave a speech to unions which investors took as suggesting he was eyeing an interest rate rise.

But investors have been pulling out for weeks and months, according to data on UK stock market funds cited by Societe Generale, which show a worsening exodus of global money from shares in British companies. From its best position this year of a little under $14bn (£8.6bn) flowing out from the UK earlier this year, the flight has accelerated to nearly $20bn (£12bn).

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/sc ... 20967.html

Christ! No wonder he's trying to flog the NHS...[my bold]

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Labour PPB, to be broadcast tonight (I think) very good, not only the story of Scotland but of every region in this country, who at one time and another has been shafted.




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And a great reference to William McGonagall, generally reckoned to be the worst poet who ever lived.

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The Tay Bridge Disaster

Beautiful railway bridge of the silv'ry Tay
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last sabbath day of 1879
Which will be remember'd for a very long time.

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RobertSnozers wrote:
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And a great reference to William McGonagall, generally reckoned to be the worst poet who ever lived.

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The Tay Bridge Disaster

Beautiful railway bridge of the silv'ry Tay
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last sabbath day of 1879
Which will be remember'd for a very long time.


I was doing a crossword puzzle the other day and it wanted to know who wrote that poem. I couldn't for the life of me remember.

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New evidence suggests Robin Hood was a Yorkshireman

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/508864/New-evidence-Robin-Hood-a-Yorkshireman

Down PaulfromYorkshire, down! :lol:

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New evidence suggests Robin Hood was a Yorkshireman

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/508864/New-evidence-Robin-Hood-a-Yorkshireman

Down PaulfromYorkshire, down! :lol:


Known it for years. He's from the Loxley estate in Sheffield. Plenty of ne'er-do-wells around there.
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Robin Hood legend

The extensive forest of Loxley Chase extended as far south east as Nottinghamshire in the 12th century where it joined up with Sherwood Forest. Loxley is one of the locations claimed as the birthplace of Robin Hood. It is maintained that Robin of Locksley or Robert Locksley was born in the area in 1160 with John Harrison saying in his Exact and Perfect Survey and View of the Mannor of Sheffield of 1637, "Little Haggas Croft (pasture) wherein is ye founacion of a house or cottage where Robin Hood was borne." Little Haggas Croft was in the area of present day Normandale House on Rodney Hill.


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746298/Pupils-held-solitary-school-run-Jan-Leeming-s-ex-husband-Teacher-blew-whistle-arrested-theft-documents.html

I expect Robert and Tubby have seen this.

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Be afraid Be very afraid :shock: :shock: :shock:


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ohsocynical wrote:
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And a great reference to William McGonagall, generally reckoned to be the worst poet who ever lived.

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The Tay Bridge Disaster

Beautiful railway bridge of the silv'ry Tay
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last sabbath day of 1879
Which will be remember'd for a very long time.


I was doing a crossword puzzle the other day and it wanted to know who wrote that poem. I couldn't for the life of me remember.


When the poet laureate died, McGonagall is said to have walked from Dundee to Balmoral to offer his services. Unfortunately, Queen Victoria wasn't there.


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Eric_WLothian wrote:
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And a great reference to William McGonagall, generally reckoned to be the worst poet who ever lived.

Quote:
The Tay Bridge Disaster

Beautiful railway bridge of the silv'ry Tay
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last sabbath day of 1879
Which will be remember'd for a very long time.


I was doing a crossword puzzle the other day and it wanted to know who wrote that poem. I couldn't for the life of me remember.


When the poet laureate died, McGonagall is said to have walked from Dundee to Balmoral to offer his services. Unfortunately, Queen Victoria wasn't there.


Poor sod! :roll:

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Christ almighty. They've even mentioned Redwood....

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New evidence suggests Robin Hood was a Yorkshireman

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/508864/New-evidence-Robin-Hood-a-Yorkshireman

Down PaulfromYorkshire, down! :lol:


Known it for years. He's from the Loxley estate in Sheffield. Plenty of ne'er-do-wells around there.
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Robin Hood legend

The extensive forest of Loxley Chase extended as far south east as Nottinghamshire in the 12th century where it joined up with Sherwood Forest. Loxley is one of the locations claimed as the birthplace of Robin Hood. It is maintained that Robin of Locksley or Robert Locksley was born in the area in 1160 with John Harrison saying in his Exact and Perfect Survey and View of the Mannor of Sheffield of 1637, "Little Haggas Croft (pasture) wherein is ye founacion of a house or cottage where Robin Hood was borne." Little Haggas Croft was in the area of present day Normandale House on Rodney Hill.


I never knew that...Interesting.

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Spent most of the day in the Commons. Probably talked to 30 Tory MPs. Never known an unhappier party


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British Female Jihadist Wants To Put 'David Cameron's Head On A Spike'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/09/british-female-jihadist-david-cameron_n_5789388.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

I know this is in bad taste but:

Stupid girl. She'll get knocked out of the way in the rush.

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Interesting point from Richard Blogger. Talking about the Circle deal.

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@Tubby_Isaacs The Hinch deal is more to do with the East of England SHA who had gone rogue. The PAC report is particularly damning


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I hadn't seen that, thanks very much.

Surprised to see a fiasco not in Reading.

Surely that can't be right? Private sector silencing whistleblower? That only happens in the public sector.


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British Female Jihadist Wants To Put 'David Cameron's Head On A Spike'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/09/british-female-jihadist-david-cameron_n_5789388.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

I know this is in bad taste but:

Stupid girl. She'll get knocked out of the way in the rush.


I do wonder what influence - if any - games like "Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag" have had on enticing young people to go fight for IS.
The uniform, knives and black flag seem just a similar to the photos we see of the fighters.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/As ... Black_Flag


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British Female Jihadist Wants To Put 'David Cameron's Head On A Spike'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/09/british-female-jihadist-david-cameron_n_5789388.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

I know this is in bad taste but:

Stupid girl. She'll get knocked out of the way in the rush.


I do wonder what influence - if any - games like "Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag" have had on enticing young people to go fight for IS.
The uniform, knives and black flag seem just a similar to the photos we see of the fighters.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/As ... Black_Flag


Our grandson gave Mr Ohso a Play Station...Not the latest one, but even so to me the games are very bloodthirsty and realistic.
I honestly reckon it hardens youngsters to blood and killing.

My lot laugh at me when I tell them how I was taken to the pictures and had a blue fit because a Red Indian shot an arrow at a woman in a wagon train, and killed her. The arrow was sticking out of her chest and she was dead! I thought it was horrific. Dad was fed up because they had to leave and take me home. It was the first time I'd seen anything like that. I've never liked cowboy and Indian films since.

My how things have changed.

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British Female Jihadist Wants To Put 'David Cameron's Head On A Spike'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/09/british-female-jihadist-david-cameron_n_5789388.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

I know this is in bad taste but:

Stupid girl. She'll get knocked out of the way in the rush.


I do wonder what influence - if any - games like "Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag" have had on enticing young people to go fight for IS.
The uniform, knives and black flag seem just a similar to the photos we see of the fighters.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/As ... Black_Flag


Absolutely none. There has been a lot of research trying to prove a link between violent video games and violence but it really isn't there. To be honest playing a violent video game isn't exactly analogous to real violence, it is rather more technical and abstract. Before the moral majority worried about video games it was film and then role playing games.

I love Bioshock Infinite but it is violent, get it right and you can push an enemy through the propeller of an airship. However that is no different from a Bond film.

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I repeat, talking to Scots Nats about the NHS is on a par with talking to the Tea Party about the NHS: the same level of idiocy #indyref


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The NHS thing is just a lie.

The reality is an independent Scotland will not be able to afford an NHS within a decade or two. The population is too small and ageing too fast.

This is going to the wire, if yes wins it is going to be brutal as each and every rUK party takes tough positions ahead of the 2015 election.

Worse case scenario, massive currency flight from Scotland and huge short selling of Scottish assets. The markets love an opportunity.

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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
British Female Jihadist Wants To Put 'David Cameron's Head On A Spike'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/09/british-female-jihadist-david-cameron_n_5789388.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

I know this is in bad taste but:

Stupid girl. She'll get knocked out of the way in the rush.


I do wonder what influence - if any - games like "Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag" have had on enticing young people to go fight for IS.
The uniform, knives and black flag seem just a similar to the photos we see of the fighters.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/As ... Black_Flag


Absolutely none. There has been a lot of research trying to prove a link between violent video games and violence but it really isn't there. To be honest playing a violent video game isn't exactly analogous to real violence, it is rather more technical and abstract. Before the moral majority worried about video games it was film and then role playing games.

I love Bioshock Infinite but it is violent, get it right and you can push an enemy through the propeller of an airship. However that is no different from a Bond film.


Well. There has been lots of research and not all agree.
I only go by my son. He used to watch a cartoon series about the Harlem Globetrotters at the beginning of the seventies. You may not be old enough to remember, but the BBC used to feature the Harlem Globetrotters team playing at Wembley when they came over for their yearly tour.
I had the devils own job convincing my very level headed son that the real Globetrotters were the real men he saw on the TV . He was convinced the cartoon ones were the real ones.
So I would argue with you that youngsters can have quite a problem separating fact from fiction.
Funnily enough my son doesn't like bloodthirsty games. He says they are realistic enough they make him feel very uncomfortable.

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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
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I repeat, talking to Scots Nats about the NHS is on a par with talking to the Tea Party about the NHS: the same level of idiocy #indyref


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The NHS thing is just a lie.

The reality is an independent Scotland will not be able to afford an NHS within a decade or two. The population is too small and ageing too fast.

This is going to the wire, if yes wins it is going to be brutal as each and every rUK party takes tough positions ahead of the 2015 election.

Worse case scenario, massive currency flight from Scotland and huge short selling of Scottish assets. The markets love an opportunity.


Never mind the £12 bn that's been pulled out by multi-national companies already. George has kept very quiet about that.
Financial damage being done before they've even voted is bound to have a knock on effect for Scotland whatever they decide.
And Murdochs waiting in the sidelines ready to make a killing. Because he's damn sure not stirring things up out of love.

Edited much later because I'd used parties instead of companies :roll:

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I see Apple have launched some new iThings, the crowd including celebrity backers like Rupert Murdoch, Stephen Fry and Gwen Stefani.

I wonder if Jennifer Lawrence was invited.

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And a great reference to William McGonagall, generally reckoned to be the worst poet who ever lived.

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The Tay Bridge Disaster

Beautiful railway bridge of the silv'ry Tay
Alas! I am very sorry to say
That ninety lives have been taken away
On the last sabbath day of 1879
Which will be remember'd for a very long time.


I was doing a crossword puzzle the other day and it wanted to know who wrote that poem. I couldn't for the life of me remember.


When the poet laureate died, McGonagall is said to have walked from Dundee to Balmoral to offer his services. Unfortunately, Queen Victoria wasn't there.


It didn't stop him advertising himself as 'poet by appointment to HM the Queen'. He had to be threatened with legal action before he stopped.

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Did the SNP ever respond to the IFS properly?

http://www.ifs.org.uk/comms/r88.pdf


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Evening all. First night of round 2 of the badger cull saw a rather amazing and heartening episode.
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In Gloucestershire at about Midnight, a couple of experienced hunt sabs came across this badger trapped in a cage, just as they approached other people were spotted nearby. The cull team. A tense stand off then went on for some time before police arrived on the scene.

Sabs quickly sought legal advice from someone who has read and re-read the best practice guidelines and then informed police that the badger had to be released for two reasons:
cage trapped badgers are to be shot between dawn and noon.
shooters must release trapped badgers if third parties are on the scene.

The police did the right thing and we congratulate them for enforcing the guidelines, they got the shooters to leave the area and then the police released the badger.

Video of police releasing badger to follow here:
http://badger-killers.co.uk/cull-starts-with-glos-police-saving-lives/


Lots more that could be said about this - but for now I'm very happy that one badger was saved from death and also that the best practice guidelines were actually enforced. Hope the contractors are fully aware of the rules from now on .... and similarly the protestors / sabs and police so they can monitor and ensure they are being followed and protect badgers from inhumane treatment. Legal and peaceful protest is absolutely wonderful sometimes.

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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
British Female Jihadist Wants To Put 'David Cameron's Head On A Spike'

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/09/british-female-jihadist-david-cameron_n_5789388.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

I know this is in bad taste but:

Stupid girl. She'll get knocked out of the way in the rush.


I do wonder what influence - if any - games like "Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag" have had on enticing young people to go fight for IS.
The uniform, knives and black flag seem just a similar to the photos we see of the fighters.

http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/As ... Black_Flag


Absolutely none. There has been a lot of research trying to prove a link between violent video games and violence but it really isn't there. To be honest playing a violent video game isn't exactly analogous to real violence, it is rather more technical and abstract. Before the moral majority worried about video games it was film and then role playing games.

I love Bioshock Infinite but it is violent, get it right and you can push an enemy through the propeller of an airship. However that is no different from a Bond film.


Not so much the violence aspect (although I don't like that, and the latest ones are so realistic its hard to believe they are not "film") more the glamour and romanticising of the glory of the battle, the uniform, and the flag (on Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag - see link above.) Black Flag is advertised with this slogan :
"I once sailed for a king. I obeyed men of privilege and wealth. Now, I bend my knee to no man. My only oath is to my crew and together we will take back what is rightfully ours. With blood and steel, we shall stand up to the powerful. Captains will curse our flag, and kings will fear it. As long as empires generate wealth and riches, we will be there to bleed them dry." ―Edward Kenway, Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag's "Under The Black Flag" Trailer."
Probably barking up the wrong tree, but it struck me watching g'son playing on line with his mates, they were shouting gory stuff about the horrid ways they would kill each other, with lots of "we will take our land back infidel!" Lots of laughter and "Oh No you killed me what ya do that for!" and the thought struck me as to how often those kids who have gone off to fight had played the same games.
Its not very hard to see how on line "groomers" could twist the advertising for the above to an Islamic slant.
But like I said, probably barking up the wrong tree - but I'm getting on a bit and like Ohso find blood and guts spilling about in a game/film a bit disturbing. :)


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Brilliant from Professor Rosie Woodroffe - as always.

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British government on the badger cull: ask scientists for help then ignore them
http://theconversation.com/british-government-on-the-badger-cull-ask-scientists-for-help-then-ignore-them-31435


This sets out why this year the lies and fallacies invoked to justify the slaughter are even worse in their magnitude and outcome.

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