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PostPosted: Wed 10 Sep, 2014 4:16 pm 
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Right then, who is going to join this

http://www.theguardian.com/membership/2 ... membership

Doesn't seem to offer much for those outside London, and even for those who do it seems a bit crap.

Do you get the chance to question Watt and Wintour?....would also like to see if Julian Glover is lurking about somewhere seeing his life as a Tory speech writer has gone a bit tits up


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Take no notice, they've only bluffing.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ge-drought


Just wait until that sucker's opened up for comments. I fully expect yes supporters to invade it to accuse any and all lenders concerned about the outcome to be branded as traitors.


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Paul Krugman is on C4 in a couple of hours, more on what he thinks may happen to Scotland.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0 ... d=tw-share

Yahyah, hope so, of course at the end of the day it's up to the Scots, it's this utopia vision they all have that gets on my tits, idealists.. And yeah, he is a right twat, a question evading, smirking charlatan who promises all things to all people.



I'm ashamed to admit that a couple of years ago I thought a loud mouthed bruiser like Salmond may be what Labour needed in a leader.

Having watched and listened to him over the last year or so, he now makes my skin creep and I value Ed the more.

How can anyone think a decent foundation for anything, let alone a country, can be created by threatening to renege on debts and sucking up to Murdoch ?

How many of Salmond's disciples [rightly] complained about Blair and Murdoch, but now turn a blind eye to their glorious leader and the old goat's mutual a*** licking ?


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Right then, who is going to join this

http://www.theguardian.com/membership/2 ... membership

Doesn't seem to offer much for those outside London, and even for those who do it seems a bit crap.

Do you get the chance to question Watt and Wintour?....would also like to see if Julian Glover is lurking about somewhere seeing his life as a Tory speech writer has gone a bit tits up


Erm, having perused it earlier, I think I'll pass.


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ErnstRemarx wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:
Take no notice, they've only bluffing.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ge-drought


Just wait until that sucker's opened up for comments. I fully expect yes supporters to invade it to accuse any and all lenders concerned about the outcome to be branded as traitors.


It is open for comments - usual stuff. 'Project Fear'... 'Neoliberal blah blah'... 'It was mortgage lenders that crashed the economy' etc (although I do have some sympathy on the last point).

On the one hand, I am deeply resentful of the idea that markets and big business can dictate to the democratically-expressed will of a sovereign country. On the other hand, that's the world we live in, and the Yes campaign needs to own up to the fact that things will be tougher economically. Which is not to say that there aren't other reasons to vote yes, but the wealth-soaked utopia is just a myth.

Steve Bell's 'If' continues. Who's going to protect poor Salmond from the Westminster establishment...? http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... dependence

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Survation Poll now released at 10pm, half hour earlier, unless it breaks earlier, think that happened on Monday?


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Paul Krugman is on C4 in a couple of hours, more on what he thinks may happen to Scotland.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0 ... d=tw-share

Yahyah, hope so, of course at the end of the day it's up to the Scots, it's this utopia vision they all have that gets on my tits, idealists.. And yeah, he is a right twat, a question evading, smirking charlatan who promises all things to all people.



I'm ashamed to admit that a couple of years ago I thought a loud mouthed bruiser like Salmond may be what Labour needed in a leader.

Having watched and listened to him over the last year or so, he now makes my skin creep and I value Ed the more.

How can anyone think a decent foundation for anything, let alone a country, can be created by threatening to renege on debts and sucking up to Murdoch ?

How many of Salmond's disciples [rightly] complained about Blair and Murdoch, but now turn a blind eye to their glorious leader and the old goat's mutual a*** licking ?


What's even more frightening is that in the event of a 'yes' vote, this belligerent little prat (that's the most polite description I can think of at present) would be leading negotiations. Fat chance of winning any concessions from rUK, EU, NATO or anybody else.

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Some (hopefully most) of the Scottish electorate have enough intelligence to see through his lies. :)


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Evening all. If anyone is interested about what happened at PMQs today the transcript is available at
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Evening all. If anyone is interested about what happened at PMQs today the transcript is available at
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... nknown/93/



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New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:


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Media reporting that Lord Hill has been given a significant role in the EU Commission. Is this true? I've never heard of the commissioner for 'financial stability, financial services and capital markets union' before. In fact I can't find that role on the Wikipedia page for EU commission posts - is it new? It's clearly better than Transport or Regional Policy - and clearly not as good as High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. So is it the coup that's being reported?

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New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:


They already had an answer for this before the poll came out - apparently the Daily Record is a Labour supporting paper, so of course the poll suits their position...

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If the Scots go, do we get duty free whiskey?


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RobertSnozers wrote:
yahyah wrote:
New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:


They already had an answer for this before the poll came out - apparently the Daily Record is a Labour supporting paper, so of course the poll suits their position...



Some of them were tin foil hatting about the You Gov poll giving Yes lead, claiming it was a conspiracy by Westminster to get the No vote out.


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yahyah wrote:
New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:


And Twitter. I'm having such a fun conversation with Irvine Welsh, auditioning for Cliché of the Year; as I believe the Big Yin once said, the most patriotic Scot is the one who doesn't live there and, boy, is Welsh ever proving it!

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Take no notice, they've only bluffing.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014 ... ge-drought


Just wait until that sucker's opened up for comments. I fully expect yes supporters to invade it to accuse any and all lenders concerned about the outcome to be branded as traitors.


I am not convinced they are bluffing. Would you as a UK bank lend money on a property in Scotland.

Answer - yes if you know what the currency is, but right now you don't. So if I lend today in Sterling and Scotland has its own currency you convert to Groats at the defined rate, which is a risk. If you don't convert to Groats and the Groat depreciates you risk a bad loan.

Now if they go with Sterlingisation then there is a significant risk that very quickly they would run up debts they couldn't service. That triggers a Spain type scenario leading to unemployment, flight South and mortgage default.

Would you really lend money to buy average Scottish property?

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yahyah wrote:
New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:


:lol: If it were possible ... it would be lovely to spray the news over them as a kind of reality drench (gardening term there doncha know). It would have the opposite effect to boosting egos / growth and probably smell unpleasant.

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If the Scots go, do we get duty free whiskey?


Now there's a reason to hope they vote YES! Only kidding. (I drink Irish).

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yahyah wrote:
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yahyah wrote:
New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:


They already had an answer for this before the poll came out - apparently the Daily Record is a Labour supporting paper, so of course the poll suits their position...



Some of them were tin foil hatting about the You Gov poll giving Yes lead, claiming it was a conspiracy by Westminster to get the No vote out.


Incredible stuff, some of them are truly deranged :toss: :rofl:


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If the Scots go, do we get duty free whiskey?


Now there's a reason to hope they vote YES! Only kidding. (I drink Irish).


Only one bottle per visit, I'm afraid - and max 200 cigs.


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RobertSnozers wrote:
Media reporting that Lord Hill has been given a significant role in the EU Commission. Is this true? I've never heard of the commissioner for 'financial stability, financial services and capital markets union' before. In fact I can't find that role on the Wikipedia page for EU commission posts - is it new? It's clearly better than Transport or Regional Policy - and clearly not as good as High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. So is it the coup that's being reported?



Hello.

Yes, I gather it's a new thing.


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yahyah wrote:
New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:


And Twitter. I'm having such a fun conversation with Irvine Welsh, auditioning for Cliché of the Year; as I believe the Big Yin once said, the most patriotic Scot is the one who doesn't live there and, boy, is Welsh ever proving it!


Wikipedia claims Welsh was a property developer who made money from speculating on the London housing market.


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My neighbour's just called with a homemade chocolate, rasperry & fresh cream roulade for us, a treat because she knew we'd lost our cat.
Aren't people lovely ?

Night all, would share it with you if I could.


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Our newest member EzTIGjlbxL - "name" looks a bit iffy ? If not iffy, then sorry EzTIGjlbxL :)


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yahyah wrote:
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New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:


And Twitter. I'm having such a fun conversation with Irvine Welsh, auditioning for Cliché of the Year; as I believe the Big Yin once said, the most patriotic Scot is the one who doesn't live there and, boy, is Welsh ever proving it!


Wikipedia claims Welsh was a property developer who made money from speculating on the London housing market.


And who now lives in Chicago, which made his "Have you been living in the UK during the last 35 years?" jibe in response to a Miliband tweet rather ironic; sadly Mr Welsh did not see the irony! :D

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You will be aware that there will be a Parliamentary by election in Heywood and Middleton following the sad death of Jim Dobbin MP. The Party will need to select a candidate to fight the by-election and consequently the NEC has agreed a timetable for the selection.

Applications are now open and any member wishing to apply for this seat should complete a standard CV and submit it to handm@labour.org.uk — please note APPLICATIONS WILL CLOSE AT 9AM on FRIDAY 12 SEPTEMBER.

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Our newest member EzTIGjlbxL - "name" looks a bit iffy ? If not iffy, then sorry EzTIGjlbxL :)


Must be UlPHZktkqH 's brother - they registered at the same time. :)


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Just heard that the appeal against the badger cull going ahead without an Independent Expert Panel IS going to be allowed ....!!!!!

There was an oral hearing this afternoon.

Now - don't know if this can stop the present culling (we'll have a bloody good go for that) but if the appeal is upheld and the way this cull has been allowed to go ahead is ruled unlawful - it will invalidate the basis of any decision for further culling. And that is music to my ears - and bagfuls of peanuts to badgers.

Love our badgers by the way. Today was obviously bedding change day - drove up the track this morning and there were piles of grass / straw bedding tossed out of the sett entrances ... They are entrancing neighbours. FU to the NFU.

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New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:

I just did - :lol!:

http://discussion.theguardian.com/comme ... k/40674462


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Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.

Well done Gordon Brown ?


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AngryAsWell wrote:
yahyah wrote:
New poll shows No with 6 point lead.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/indep ... rd-4196976



Someone want to tell the nat frothers on Cif ? :lol:

I just did - :lol!:

http://discussion.theguardian.com/comme ... k/40674462


The reply underneath was actually fairly sensible (though tbf "bitthick" has always been one of the more rational Nats on there)


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Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.

Well done Gordon Brown ?


Hopefully, keep hammering them Gordon.

I actually am ok with the concept of Scottish independence but the sack of blatant lies they have been told by Salmond is a disgrace.

At least be honest about the risks.

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You'd have thought Ofsted who's job it is would be a more natural choice.


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Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.

Well done Gordon Brown ?


If ''No'' comes through, or ''Naw'' as Galloway prefers and post mortems are made of both campaigns, I do believe a lot of the credit will go to Brown, one of the few heavyweights left in British politics.

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New secondary school for West Reading 'on target to open in September 2015'

The WREN website at http://www.wrenschool.org has been rewritten and rebranded to make it more relevant and to introduce the new WREN logo
The Wren School has a new website with details of how to enrol - even though the school still has no site yet.


http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/local-news/new-secondary-school-west-reading-7747299


[my bold] And here's another for Tubby and Roger :)

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Survation have Glasgow polling at 49-41 in favour of No, still the sample was probably so puny it's hardly representative?


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Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.

Well done Gordon Brown ?


If ''No'' comes through, or ''Naw'' as Galloway prefers and post mortems are made of both campaigns, I do believe a lot of the credit will go to Brown, one of the few heavyweights left in British politics.


I hope so, but remain sceptical that the powers that be will allow him any credit.

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Sorry, I know I said I was going but interesting that Survation poll shows Labour votes backing independence: 20.8%, down from 30.1% in last Survation poll.

Well done Gordon Brown ?


If ''No'' comes through, or ''Naw'' as Galloway prefers and post mortems are made of both campaigns, I do believe a lot of the credit will go to Brown, one of the few heavyweights left in British politics.


I hope so, but remain sceptical that the powers that be will allow him any credit.


Yes, you have a point there, scape-goats are always needed.


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Galloway claiming the SNP have made the BBC rescind his invitation on QT tomorrow?

Could they do that, there again it is the BBC, so who knows?

Or ''Scotland Decides?'' can't find QT anywhere.


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I wonder how many Tory voters who are against Scotland leaving the UK, realise many of the Yes votes will be thanks to Maggie Thatcher and now Cameron and his henchmen.

I wonder if it'll make them think about who to vote for in 2015? Or should I even bother asking?

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letsskiptotheleft wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
letsskiptotheleft wrote:


If ''No'' comes through, or ''Naw'' as Galloway prefers and post mortems are made of both campaigns, I do believe a lot of the credit will go to Brown, one of the few heavyweights left in British politics.


I hope so, but remain sceptical that the powers that be will allow him any credit.


Yes, you have a point there, scape-goats are always needed.


I've a horrible feeling the post-truth media will consider Cameron's intervention as the pivotal moment...

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Cameron's surely too far gone for that.

Don't think anyone can argue seriously argue that Gordon and Darling have done the hard work.

Cameron's just looked like a rabbit in the headlines.


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Cameron's surely too far gone for that.

Don't think anyone can argue seriously argue that Gordon and Darling have done the hard work.

Cameron's just looked like a rabbit in the headlines.


I've been wondering where the Tories have been. I haven't followed closely but they've been conspicuous by their absence.

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Cameron's surely too far gone for that.

Don't think anyone can argue seriously argue that Gordon and Darling have done the hard work.

Cameron's just looked like a rabbit in the headlines.


I've been wondering where the Tories have been. I haven't followed closely but they've been conspicuous by their absence.


Labour Uncut said they'd kept out because they were hated but made some clever interventions.

They then blamed the polls on Ed Miliband. Who (by not being hated) has obviously hurt the NO campaign more, and for losing the 2011 Scottish Parliament election, when they lost 7 seats compared with 19 by the Coalition.


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