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Christ, does this really need to be explained?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... devolution


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Tin hats to the ready!

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Orange Order plans 'loud, proud' pro-union parade in Edinburgh
Protestant fraternity in Scotland aims to celebrate British heritage on march – with or without Better Together


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sco ... mentpage=1


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
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Cameron's surely too far gone for that.

Don't think anyone can argue seriously argue that Gordon and Darling have done the hard work.

Cameron's just looked like a rabbit in the headlines.


I've been wondering where the Tories have been. I haven't followed closely but they've been conspicuous by their absence.


Labour Uncut said they'd kept out because they were hated but made some clever interventions.

They then blamed the polls on Ed Miliband. Who (by not being hated) has obviously hurt the NO campaign more, and for losing the 2011 Scottish Parliament election, when they lost 7 seats compared with 19 by the Coalition.


Sarcasm, much?


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Cameron's surely too far gone for that.

Don't think anyone can argue seriously argue that Gordon and Darling have done the hard work.

Cameron's just looked like a rabbit in the headlines.


Miliband's speech today was very good, too.


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Tin hats to the ready!

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Orange Order plans 'loud, proud' pro-union parade in Edinburgh
Protestant fraternity in Scotland aims to celebrate British heritage on march – with or without Better Together


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sco ... mentpage=1


Good job Rangers can't play Celtic this season, in the league at least.


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BBC anchorman: So the NO side, for all the criticism and wobbles, have won rather comfortably. What do you make of it, Nick?

Nick Robinson: Let's leave aside all the boring economic and constitutional stuff for a minute. What this referendum has really been is a referendum on the government in Westminster. And David Cameron has won it. He's had to make very unpopular decisions, but he's won it, and in hostile territory for the Tories.

BBC anchorman: So could he claim it as vindication for his modernisation project?

Nick Robinson: I think he can. He's actually won over a lot of natural Labour supporters, who worryingly for them still don't seem to rate Ed Miliband any more than they did when they voted for the SNP in 2011, which allowed the whole referendum to take place.

BBC anchorman: Briefly, Nick, how does that leave him for the General Election next year?

Nick Robinson: If you'd asked me that a week ago, before David Cameron's unashamedly emotional appeal for the union, I'd have said he was struggling. But he's turned all that around. He'll now be able to concentrate full time on seeing off UKIP, though he may well lose Clacton to Douglas Carswell because of Labour's failure to pick up swing voters. And there's a theme here- Mr Cameron is a fighter and a survivor. Will Ed Miliband have the stomach for that fight?


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Now I know you're being sarky, or writing the BBC's script.

Worryingly it's too bloody plausible.


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
BBC anchorman: So the NO side, for all the criticism and wobbles, have won rather comfortably. What do you make of it, Nick?

Nick Robinson: Let's leave aside all the boring economic and constitutional stuff for a minute. What this referendum has really been is a referendum on the government in Westminster. And David Cameron has won it. He's had to make very unpopular decisions, but he's won it, and in hostile territory for the Tories.

BBC anchorman: So could he claim it as vindication for his modernisation project?

Nick Robinson: I think he can. He's actually won over a lot of natural Labour supporters, who worryingly for them still don't seem to rate Ed Miliband any more than they did when they voted for the SNP in 2011, which allowed the whole referendum to take place.

BBC anchorman: Briefly, Nick, how does that leave him for the General Election next year?

Nick Robinson: If you'd asked me that a week ago, before David Cameron's unashamedly emotional appeal for the union, I'd have said he was struggling. But he's turned all that around. He'll now be able to concentrate full time on seeing off UKIP, though he may well lose Clacton to Douglas Carswell because of Labour's failure to pick up swing voters. And there's a theme here- Mr Cameron is a fighter and a survivor. Will Ed Miliband have the stomach for that fight?


Is this for real?


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BBC Anchorman: You mention Clacton there. Shouldn't the Tories really be looking to hold a seat like that so near to a General Election?

Nick Robinson: The thing about Clacton is that it's not really part of twenty-first century Britain. You can basically assume that a vote for UKIP is a vote against all the political parties. Sure it might go down on paper as a Tory loss, but that doesn't really tell the whole truth. Actually, it's only a third of a seat loss for them, Labour and the Liberal Democrats. Perhaps less than that for the Tories because Douglas Carswell used to be a Tory. In fact, perhaps it's a gain as well as a loss. David Cameron is well-placed to win the moral election next year.


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BBC anchorman: So the NO side, for all the criticism and wobbles, have won rather comfortably. What do you make of it, Nick?

Nick Robinson: Let's leave aside all the boring economic and constitutional stuff for a minute. What this referendum has really been is a referendum on the government in Westminster. And David Cameron has won it. He's had to make very unpopular decisions, but he's won it, and in hostile territory for the Tories.

BBC anchorman: So could he claim it as vindication for his modernisation project?

Nick Robinson: I think he can. He's actually won over a lot of natural Labour supporters, who worryingly for them still don't seem to rate Ed Miliband any more than they did when they voted for the SNP in 2011, which allowed the whole referendum to take place.

BBC anchorman: Briefly, Nick, how does that leave him for the General Election next year?

Nick Robinson: If you'd asked me that a week ago, before David Cameron's unashamedly emotional appeal for the union, I'd have said he was struggling. But he's turned all that around. He'll now be able to concentrate full time on seeing off UKIP, though he may well lose Clacton to Douglas Carswell because of Labour's failure to pick up swing voters. And there's a theme here- Mr Cameron is a fighter and a survivor. Will Ed Miliband have the stomach for that fight?


Is this for real?


What do you mean?


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It was as letsskip says too plausible. YOu overdid it on the last one though :)


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It was as letsskip says too plausible. YOu overdid it on the last one though :)


Ah thanks!

From an original concept (of Cameron getting credit) by Robert Snozers.


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This is quite interesting - especially the capital outflow.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/hamish-mcrae-money-is-cowardly--thats-why-we-have-seen-it-running-away-from-scotland-this-week-9724907.html

Incidentally the last bit about Quebec is rubbish. The reason no companies will locate there isn't fear if independence. It is the utter stupidity of Quebec's French language policy.

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It was as letsskip says too plausible. YOu overdid it on the last one though :)


Ah thanks!

From an original concept (of Cameron getting credit) by Robert Snozers.


Scarily on the button. I can see it going that way.

This business of getting Robinson to interpret everything is getting tiresome.

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Problems with log in - can anyone help?
Earlier today I did a CC Cleaner and now every time I come to FTN I have to log in, including if I just refresh the page. Its happening on the Guardian as well so its a "my computer" problem not the sites.
It must be some kind of cookie control - but I'm not sure where to find the controls ? :oops:


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Problems with log in - can anyone help?
Earlier today I did a CC Cleaner and now every time I come to FTN I have to log in, including if I just refresh the page. Its happening on the Guardian as well so its a "my computer" problem not the sites.
It must be some kind of cookie control - but I'm not sure where to find the controls ? :oops:


Somewhere in your browsers security/privacy settings will be an option to enable cookies.

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Problems with log in - can anyone help?
Earlier today I did a CC Cleaner and now every time I come to FTN I have to log in, including if I just refresh the page. Its happening on the Guardian as well so its a "my computer" problem not the sites.
It must be some kind of cookie control - but I'm not sure where to find the controls ? :oops:


Somewhere in your browsers security/privacy settings will be an option to enable cookies.

Thanks, I have looked there and they seem to be allowed already ...


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- Nick, David Cameron's detractors made a lot of Devo Max not being on the ballot paper, didn't they?

-Yes, Jeremy, they did. But he's actually gone beyond Devo-Max, and delivered Devo-Max Plus. Which is something that Gordon Brown can't say. Nor Ed Miliband, who is still not resonating in Scotland.

- But constitutional historians might argue that we've just had a long referendum process, only for the system of government to be decided on the whim of the UK Prime Minister, some might say, on the hoof. Surely this new system has no mandate at all from the people of Scotland?

- Politics is about perception. And I can tell you that's not how it's being perceived in the bars of Glasgow. I'm told that Mr Cameron was blocked from putting Devo-Max on the ballot paper by officials, despite him having argued very strongly for it. Which very much underscores his point that the Civil Service needs reforming and replacing with people from Policy Exchange. I think Ed Miliband will be put very much on the backfoot. Will he be prepared to push these important reforms through, against the wishes of his union paymasters in the Unite Union? People here in the pubs of Glasgow sound unconvinced about that. Character issues are what matter in politics.


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- Nick, David Cameron's detractors made a lot of Devo Max not being on the ballot paper, didn't they?

-Yes, Jeremy, they did. But he's actually gone beyond Devo-Max, and delivered Devo-Max Plus. Which is something that Gordon Brown can't say. Nor Ed Miliband, who is still not resonating in Scotland.

- But constitutional historians might argue that we've just had a long referendum process, only for the system of government to be decided on the whim of the UK Prime Minister, some might say, on the hoof. Surely this new system has no mandate at all from the people of Scotland?

- Politics is about perception. And I can tell you that's not how it's being perceived in the bars of Glasgow. I'm told that Mr Cameron was blocked from putting Devo-Max on the ballot paper by officials, despite him having argued very strongly for it. Which very much underscores his point that the Civil Service needs reforming and replacing with people from Policy Exchange. I think Ed Miliband will be put very much on the backfoot. Will he be prepared to push these important reforms through, against the wishes of his union paymasters in the Unite Union? People here in the pubs of Glasgow sound unconvinced about that. Character issues are what matter in politics.

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
BBC anchorman: So the NO side, for all the criticism and wobbles, have won rather comfortably. What do you make of it, Nick?

Nick Robinson: Let's leave aside all the boring economic and constitutional stuff for a minute. What this referendum has really been is a referendum on the government in Westminster. And David Cameron has won it. He's had to make very unpopular decisions, but he's won it, and in hostile territory for the Tories.

BBC anchorman: So could he claim it as vindication for his modernisation project?

Nick Robinson: I think he can. He's actually won over a lot of natural Labour supporters, who worryingly for them still don't seem to rate Ed Miliband any more than they did when they voted for the SNP in 2011, which allowed the whole referendum to take place.

BBC anchorman: Briefly, Nick, how does that leave him for the General Election next year?

Nick Robinson: If you'd asked me that a week ago, before David Cameron's unashamedly emotional appeal for the union, I'd have said he was struggling. But he's turned all that around. He'll now be able to concentrate full time on seeing off UKIP, though he may well lose Clacton to Douglas Carswell because of Labour's failure to pick up swing voters. And there's a theme here- Mr Cameron is a fighter and a survivor. Will Ed Miliband have the stomach for that fight?


Tubby, please tell me that I'm just a bit tired and this is a clever satire on the shitness and Tory brown nosing of the BBC?


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
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It was as letsskip says too plausible. YOu overdid it on the last one though :)


Ah thanks!

From an original concept (of Cameron getting credit) by Robert Snozers.


And it's fucking brilliant. I suggest you (a) post it up on the Graun and (b) send it in to BBC News so they can save themselves the trouble of writing Nick Robinson's script for the morning.


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- Is there talk about the Clacton by-election in the bars of Glasgow, Nick?

- Lots, Jeremy. But the interesting thing is, very few people see it as a problem for David Cameron. They're saying the constituency is very much sui generis, and that nothing too much should be read into it. They're a very knowledgeable lot up here, and they're already comparing this to the 1973 Lincoln by-election in 1973, where the sitting MP Dick Taverne ran as an independent and defeated the official Labour candidate.

- They're saying Douglas Carswell is like Dick Taverne?

- No they're saying the by-election will be a big embarrassment for the Labour leader.

- Taverne lost the seat in the November election the next year, and Labour was in power for the next 5 years.

- That's not what they're saying here.


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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
- Nick, David Cameron's detractors made a lot of Devo Max not being on the ballot paper, didn't they?

-Yes, Jeremy, they did. But he's actually gone beyond Devo-Max, and delivered Devo-Max Plus. Which is something that Gordon Brown can't say. Nor Ed Miliband, who is still not resonating in Scotland.

- But constitutional historians might argue that we've just had a long referendum process, only for the system of government to be decided on the whim of the UK Prime Minister, some might say, on the hoof. Surely this new system has no mandate at all from the people of Scotland?

- Politics is about perception. And I can tell you that's not how it's being perceived in the bars of Glasgow. I'm told that Mr Cameron was blocked from putting Devo-Max on the ballot paper by officials, despite him having argued very strongly for it. Which very much underscores his point that the Civil Service needs reforming and replacing with people from Policy Exchange. I think Ed Miliband will be put very much on the backfoot. Will he be prepared to push these important reforms through, against the wishes of his union paymasters in the Unite Union? People here in the pubs of Glasgow sound unconvinced about that. Character issues are what matter in politics.


Unnervingly plausible.


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YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Labour have six point lead, Lib Dems equal lowest YouGov polling: CON 32% LAB 38% LD 6% UKIP 14% GRN 5%


- Nick, things are pretty bad for the Lib Dems.

- Well, they always knew they'd take a hit from being in government. Ask people in here, and you detect a lot of grudging respect for Nick Clegg. That's a tangible feeling, literally tangible. You know, there's an adage in politics that that the polls never tell the whole story, unless they're personal ratings for Ed Miliband.

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YouGov/Sun poll tonight: Labour have six point lead, Lib Dems equal lowest YouGov polling: CON 32% LAB 38% LD 6% UKIP 14% GRN 5%


- Nick, things are pretty bad for the Lib Dems.

- Well, they always knew they'd take a hit from being in government. Ask people in here, and you detect a lot of grudging respect for Nick Clegg. That's a tangible feeling, literally tangible. You know, there's an adage in politics that that the polls never tell the whole story, unless they're personal ratings for Ed Miliband.

-


Oh stop it. No, actually, don't. It's so tempting to submit stuff like this for the Daily Mirror or Indy that I'm surprised you can resist it. Genuinely funny and very well informed. It's so good that I can actually hear Nick Robinson's voice replying to Hugh Edwards in my head. To be able to bring that about, you have to have a gift. And you have.


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Thanks!

You should hear my impression of Barry out of Auf Wiedersehen Pet...


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Perhaps FTN should create a new feature.

Little Nicky Robinson's politics blog.

Tubby could just add the interpretation of the days events to it as he see's fit on an adhoc and occasional basis. Then of course when Robinson is really off the mark FTN could tweet the occasional link and quote from the parody (to Nick Robinson :fight: :fight: ) .

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Just got in from work, and I'd like to add my congratulations to Tubby for an uncannily good satire - and it's so good because, as others have said, it's got a frighteningly realistic plausibility about it.

Meanwhile, the Graun is moving steadily into the realms of unwitting self-satire with their latest headline:

"Poll Boost For No Campaign As Cameron Flies In"

Sorry, on the missus's iPaddle, so haven't worked out links, but Ed is mentioned grudgingly at the end, liberally marinaded in Graun-Guff about how awkward it all is for Labour. And while the ginger rodent gets a mention mouthing cliched platitudes, not a squeak was heard about the contribution of GB and the effect he must surely have had on the polls.

Needless to say that one of the Nicks was embedded into the reporting team, this time it was Anagram, as I've seen him so wonderfully renamed by people here.


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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Perhaps FTN should create a new feature.

Little Nicky Robinson's politics blog.

Tubby could just add the interpretation of the days events to it as he see's fit on an adhoc and occasional basis. Then of course when Robinson is really off the mark FTN could tweet the occasional link and quote from the parody (to Nick Robinson :fight: :fight: ) .


Do you know, that's the best idea I've heard in a while. Dan and Paul - new topic away from DP plus excoriating tweets from FTN piecing them all together? You know, 1/3, 2/3, 3/3?


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Thanks again!

If you think that's bad, try this "Blairite" quoted by George Eaton, talking about a YES vote.

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I've lived all my life in Southern England. Whatever else it's faults, you don't meet all that many people saying "This country really needs a load of stuff changed. That Blair fellow had the right idea".


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- Is there talk about the Clacton by-election in the bars of Glasgow, Nick?

- Lots, Jeremy. But the interesting thing is, very few people see it as a problem for David Cameron. They're saying the constituency is very much sui generis, and that nothing too much should be read into it. They're a very knowledgeable lot up here, and they're already comparing this to the 1973 Lincoln by-election in 1973, where the sitting MP Dick Taverne ran as an independent and defeated the official Labour candidate.

- They're saying Douglas Carswell is like Dick Taverne?

- No they're saying the by-election will be a big embarrassment for the Labour leader.

- Taverne lost the seat in the November election the next year, and Labour was in power for the next 5 years.

- That's not what they're saying here.


Ha ha, missed this one. It's the faux gravitas that's set me giggling, and that last line is comic genius as Robinson's 'wisdom of the man in the street' shtick goes into overdrive, denying facts in favour of vox pop. I can hear his fucking voice! I suggest you try posting a bit of this on the Graun and see if anyone falls for it. Obviously as an experiment of course.


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The old bastard has been voicing his opinions again, I mean Murdoch of course.

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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Perhaps FTN should create a new feature.

Little Nicky Robinson's politics blog.

Tubby could just add the interpretation of the days events to it as he see's fit on an adhoc and occasional basis. Then of course when Robinson is really off the mark FTN could tweet the occasional link and quote from the parody (to Nick Robinson :fight: :fight: ) .

Little Nicky's blog is now available: viewforum.php?f=12


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The Nick Robinson posts were excellent! As others have said, you can "hear" him using such language. :lol:


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