Thursday 26th March

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:52 pm

Neutral hey Kay?

JustMom · Post by **JustMom** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:52 pm

She didnt stop Cameron slagging off labour but she stops ed

JustMom · Post by **JustMom** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:52 pm

Oh this is a bloody waste of time.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:54 pm

Brother. FFS.

Post by **refitman** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:54 pm

And now a question about David M.

Has Lynton picked the questions???

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:54 pm

Questions are far more hostile and more personal.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:54 pm

Audience livelier with Ed. Applause for his first answer about ZH.

Fucking Kay Burley is pinning Ed on his answers. She didn't with Dave.
And now they've allowed a question about his brother being more qualified.

JustMom · Post by **JustMom** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:54 pm

I've turned over now,sorry,this is just a joke.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:56 pm

Anyone keeping a list of questions from the audience?

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 9:57 pm

Even LBC said Dave's questions were easy. Now Burley's telling us not to vote Labour. And much tougher questions.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:00 pm

Why is Burley talking so much more than she did with Cameron.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:01 pm

FFS Burley STFU!

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:02 pm

Seems I am watching the same as everyone else.

Cameron got eaten alive by Paxman. Those claiming Paxman was a biased Tory proven wrong.

Easy audience session for Cameron.

Much tougher audience session for Miliband. But, he is coping well with it, probably out of practice, he has done dozens of these recently.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:02 pm

Oh, and Burley is a grim (but we knew that)

Post by **refitman** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:03 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Anyone keeping a list of questions from the audience?

To Cameron:

Q: What are Ed Miliband’s best qualities?
Q: Will you appoint a cabinet minister for older people?
Q: It has been said we have not seen anything yet as regards cuts to public services. How bad will it get?
Q: Will you reverse the police cuts?
Q: What would you do to help disabled people?
Q: How will you convince the public not to opt out of the EU?
Q: Would you like to see more NHS services provided by private companies?
Q: You promised no top-down NHS reorganisation. In our borough we had to take the government to court to keep our hospital open. You broke your promises. So how can we trust you?
Q: If you could redo one thing from your time as prime minister, what would it be?

To Miliband:

Q: Why are you so gloomy?
Q: I’m a higher rate taxpayer. Labour’s messages make me feel demonised.
Q: If you are prime minister, what will the budget deficit be at the end of the parliament?
Q: Why won’t you give people a vote on the EU?
Q: Is socialism still an important value?
Q: What do you think are Cameron’s best qualities? (from Kay)
Q: You have made it difficult for your supporters. You have made gaffes. You do not seem to be fighting for the people you should be.
Q: Why are you only neck and neck in the polls?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:05 pm

You should hear the language in our house.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:06 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:Seems I am watching the same as everyone else.

Cameron got eaten alive by Paxman. Those claiming Paxman was a biased Tory proven wrong.

Easy audience session for Cameron.

Much tougher audience session for Miliband. But, he is coping well with it, probably out of practice, he has done dozens of these recently.

Let's see what Paxo does with Ed

Though I suspect too a degree of "compensating" in his approach to Dave given his recent public admission that he is Tory inclined.

EM is genuinely very good at the audience stuff though, yes he is practiced at it now but it was also a strength for him back in 2010's leadership campaign.

(I remember you saying you went to one of those hustings and weren't impressed by him - but maybe that was just an off day; the people I have spoken to who went to them say that Ed generally outshone his brother and some were persuaded to change their vote as a result)

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:07 pm

refitman wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Anyone keeping a list of questions from the audience?
To Cameron:
Q: What are Ed Miliband’s best qualities?
Q: Will you appoint a cabinet minister for older people?
Q: It has been said we have not seen anything yet as regards cuts to public services. How bad will it get?
Q: Will you reverse the police cuts?
Q: What would you do to help disabled people?
Q: How will you convince the public not to opt out of the EU?
Q: Would you like to see more NHS services provided by private companies?
Q: You promised no top-down NHS reorganisation. In our borough we had to take the government to court to keep our hospital open. You broke your promises. So how can we trust you?
Q: If you could redo one thing from your time as prime minister, what would it be?
To Miliband:
Q: Why are you so gloomy?
Q: I’m a higher rate taxpayer. Labour’s messages make me feel demonised.
Q: If you are prime minister, what will the budget deficit be at the end of the parliament?
Q: Why won’t you give people a vote on the EU?
Q: Is socialism still an important value?
Q: What do you think are Cameron’s best qualities? (from Kay)
Q: You have made it difficult for your supporters. You have made gaffes. You do not seem to be fighting for the people you should be.
Q: Why are you only neck and neck in the polls?

Thanks. I think that highlights how much Burley interrupted.

Post by **refitman** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:11 pm

From the Graun's Britain Elects voters:

“Ed Miliband doesn’t seem to speak as confidently as David Cameron. Also not as ready with the numbers as David Cameron.”

Erm, that's because he makes most of them up.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:11 pm

Elections for Positions in the House

Motion made, and Question put,

That this House notes the recommendation of the Procedure Committee in its Fifth Report of Session 2010-12, 2010 Elections for positions in the House, that the House should be invited to decide between a secret ballot or open division where the question at the start of a new Parliament that a former Speaker take the Chair is challenged, and accordingly makes the following change to Standing Orders, with effect from the beginning of the new Parliament:

Standing Order 1A (Re-election of former Speaker) Line 11, at end insert—

“(1A) If that question is contested, it shall be determined by secret ballot, to take place on the same day under arrangements made by the Member presiding, who shall announce the result of the ballot to the House as soon as is practicable.”—(Mr Hague).

The House divided: Ayes 202, Noes 228.

Ordered,

That, at the start of the 2015 Parliament, the Speaker may nominate no more than three Members as Deputy Speakers to serve until the House has elected Deputy Speakers in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order No. 2A; and that the Members so nominated shall exercise all the powers vested in the Chairman of Ways and Means as Deputy Speaker.—(Mr Hague.)

Today's House of Commons debates - Thursday 26 March 2015
Version: Uncorrected | Updated 19:56

202 Tories voted AYE, including Dave, Hague & Gove
228 Opposition voted NO

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... known/416/

edited out the list of names - apologies

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:12 pm

Did Burley pick out anyone from the audience for Cameron?

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:13 pm

So is this whole Paxman interview going to be about the last Labour government?

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:19 pm

Ed did well there answering that stupid question about the mansion tax.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:21 pm

Odds on Labour majority just shrank

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri ... l-majority" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **refitman** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:22 pm

Miliband getting a lot more [positive] audience reaction than Cameron did.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:24 pm

Audience appears to be being won over by Ed's responses to these ridiculous questions from Paxman.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:24 pm

Miliband got a second wind there.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:27 pm

Ed hammered Paxman, absolutely murdered him.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:27 pm

Mr Charles Walker, Tory for Broxbourne rebelled & voted NO with the Opposition

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:29 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Disabled question now. Nothing about benefits though. About getting them into work and attitudes.
Mr Ohso says the audience is so quiet it's fixed. Disabled woman who asked the question says she's more or less satisfied with his answer....
Sheesh.

She did go on to mention the closure of the ILF – Dave then replied that that was why they introduced the Better Care Fund... He knows nothing...

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:30 pm

All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

Post by **refitman** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:31 pm

And Burley ends the show with another mention of Miliband D.

I am very glad I don't contribute to her wages.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:34 pm

frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

To be fair he wasn't deferential to Cameron. Distainful and challenging I thought.

His line of questioning to Miliband was poor, and that was easily dealt with by Ed.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:36 pm

"You're important Jeremy, but you are not so important that you get to decide the result of the Election 6 weeks out" - back of the net!!! Paxman ate Cameron alive, Miliband bit back and bit back effectively! In my (obviously partisan) opinion that was a convincing win for Ed, despite Burley's constant interruptions and obvious bias.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:36 pm

I didn't catch much of Cameron. Did Kay Burley ask him why the Tories were merely neck and neck in the polls as well?

The questions Ed was asked in previous Q&A were predominantly about what Labour would do if they won an election, which is pretty relevant if you're trying to decide who to vote for. Asking him mainly (exclusively?) questions about yhe past does not serve an electorate trying to make an informed choice for the future. Free Speech was better.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:36 pm

Allegra whatshername on Newsnight thought that Miliband won easily

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:39 pm

danesclose wrote:Allegra whatshername on Newsnight thought that Miliband won easily

Christ if she thinks that it was a massacre.

Spacedone · Post by **Spacedone** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:39 pm

Labour win by a landslide in May 2015.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:40 pm

danesclose wrote:Allegra whatshername on Newsnight thought that Miliband won easily

Blimey!

My husband said when Cameron was on at one point the audience gasped. I've no idea why, but it's never a good sign. Reminiscent of the Ask the Leaders when he got a similar reaction to one of his answers.

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:40 pm

danesclose wrote:Allegra whatshername on Newsnight thought that Miliband won easily

Sky News are also (grudgingly) calling it for Ed.

Edited to say - Guess who isn't calling it for Ed?

Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 8 mins 8 minutes ago
I think overall I'd call it a draw. But when expectations get factored in, Ed might just have edged it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:40 pm

Well, I don't know what to think of that.

Pointless if it was meant to help the don't knows decide who to vote for whatever party they lean towards.
Insulting to keep on about Ed being a geek.
Spiteful going on and on about his brother.
Hopeful it might gain a sympathy vote.
Really pissed about Danzuk being quoted.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:40 pm

frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

I don't agree.

Paxman ate Cameron and spat out the bones.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:40 pm

I thought Ed started badly with Paxo but turned it round in the end.

I really, really wish he'd pointed out that Salmond is neither an MP nor the leader of the SNP.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:42 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Well, I don't know what to think of that.

Pointless if it was meant to help the don't knows decide who to vote for whatever party they lean towards.
Insulting to keep on about Ed being a geek.
Spiteful going on and on about his brother.
Hopeful it might gain a sympathy vote.
Really pissed about Danzuk being quoted.

Eds response to being called a North London geek by Paxman was brilliant. Utterly dismissive, the body language equivalent of "bite me."

Edited to add - If I were Danczuk I would hide in Michael Goves toilet, if Miliband passes him in the corridor our Simon will be falling down stairs.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:43 pm

Willow904 wrote:I didn't catch much of Cameron. Did Kay Burley ask him why the Tories were merely neck and neck in the polls as well?
The questions Ed was asked in previous Q&A were predominantly about what Labour would do if they won an election, which is pretty relevant if you're trying to decide who to vote for. Asking him mainly (exclusively?) questions about yhe past does not serve an electorate trying to make an informed choice for the future. Free Speech was better.

Burley hardly asked Cameron anything.

Miliband handled Paxman pretty well, the whole 'what should the population limit be'? was a bit ridiculous. Personal questions for Miliband, failed policy questions for Cameron. I don't remember any panning to the audience for Camerons Paxman section.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:44 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

I don't agree.

Paxman ate Cameron and spat out the bones.

Have to agree. A couple of times the disbelieving look on Paxman's face said it all.

Shame it got so personal with Ed.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:46 pm

And what was the point of asking Cameron about eating 3 shredded wheat? Am I missing something?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:47 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
danesclose wrote:Allegra whatshername on Newsnight thought that Miliband won easily
Sky News are also (grudgingly) calling it for Ed.

Edited to say - Guess who isn't calling it for Ed?

Dan Hodges @DPJHodges · 8 mins 8 minutes ago
I think overall I'd call it a draw. But when expectations get factored in, Ed might just have edged it.

Gracious. It was a decisive Ed Miliband win. Thank you, DH.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:47 pm

Spacedone wrote:Labour win by a landslide in May 2015.

Hurrah! Shall we have a whip-round for her ticket. On a cargo ship...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 26 Mar, 2015 10:48 pm

I'm off to bed. I need a couple of hours with a good book to wind down.

Mr Ohso says it was a fit up. He says he's not watching any more of the debates.