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Re: Thursday 26th March

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frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

I don't agree.

Paxman ate Cameron and spat out the bones.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Goodnight, Ohso!
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SpinningHugo wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

I don't agree.

Paxman ate Cameron and spat out the bones.
Agreed. I can see why Cameron wanted his paxo stuffing before the gentle Q&A.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Goodnight Ohso – enjoy your book.

At least we'll have seen some of the manifestos by the time of the next debate, so there'll be a bit more meat to get into on future plans.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Hello, again.

I'm so angry over all the Kate Burley ("Your poor Mum!") crap that I had to get out of bed and come here to see you lot to calm down.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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LadyCentauria wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Labour win by a landslide in May 2015.

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Hurrah! Shall we have a whip-round for her ticket. On a cargo ship...
I don't suppose we could tweet her.

Thanks Katie, do you mind if we run that as a Labour poster campaign?
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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StephenDolan wrote:Miliband handled Paxman pretty well, the whole 'what should the population limit be'? was a bit ridiculous.
It was monumentally stupid. What was he trying to suggest we have? A cull of excess humans? Chinese-style birth controls?
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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SpinningHugo wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:All Paxman did was aim personal insults at Ed. I found the whole thing very biased. Utterly deferential to Cameron; Just a series of ad hominems for EM.

I don't agree.

Paxman ate Cameron and spat out the bones.
Badly worded by me. I meant.
Pax 1 Cam 0
Aud v Cam called off by deferential KB
Pax 1 Mil 1
Aud 1 Mil 1 Referee was bent.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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At the G, Farage has spoken.
Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, said Miliband had clearly given a better performance, giving him 7/10 against Cameron’s 4/10, Rowena Mason reports.

“It was not what I expected at all,” Farage said. “In terms of personalities, he fought back more, was more human and got the audience clapping. Cameron was nowhere near that. Cameron looked discomfited.”
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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So Paxman's weakness all these years was to be told to 'hold on a second' when he interrupts.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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diGriz wrote:So Paxman's weakness all these years was to be told to 'hold on a second' when he interrupts.
Yeah, who knew (maybe AC?)
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Guardian poll calls it for Cameron in every category. Oh what a surprise.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... ve-updates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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The Twitter reaction is interesting. The way Miliband was questioned and how he answered (and that snide dig by Paxman right at the end) has generated a lot of sympathetic tweets for Miliband. If nothing else fighting back against Paxman has put that 'weak' nonsense to bed.

Speaking of bed...

Goodnight everyone.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Just before I go... this made me laugh.
Larry Spuddles ‏@LarrySpuddles 7 mins7 minutes ago
In summary #BattleForNumber10 Cameron didn't know how much the UK borrowed and Miliband's tougher than Chuck Norris. #HellYeah
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Goodnight, Spacedone
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Pretty much everyone they spoke to on Sky after the interview gave it to Miliband.
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More from the ICM poll.

Only 8% of those polled overall indicated that they were likely to have changed their mind about how they would vote at the election on the basis of what they saw tonight.

Amongst those, 56% said they would now vote Labour. And just 30% said they were now backing the Conservatives.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... 0a7c43a7af" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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TechnicalEphemera wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Labour win by a landslide in May 2015.

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Hurrah! Shall we have a whip-round for her ticket. On a cargo ship...
I don't suppose we could tweet her.

Thanks Katie, do you mind if we run that as a Labour poster campaign?
Done.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Goodnight Spacedone x
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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diGriz wrote:Pretty much everyone they spoke to on Sky after the interview gave it to Miliband.
It's a win for Miliband. Look at the guy currently leading the Tory party.
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I didn't watch it.
I was reading Hansard.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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refitman wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote: Hurrah! Shall we have a whip-round for her ticket. On a cargo ship...
I don't suppose we could tweet her.

Thanks Katie, do you mind if we run that as a Labour poster campaign?
Done.
And I've suggested that we might crowd fund her airfare.

Well, a very bad day at the office for Dave, and a pretty decent one for Ed. Will be curious to hear what my Daily Mail reading workmates thought of the debate, none of them are complimentary about Cameron anyway; based on recent conversations I reckon Ed probably picked up at least three more votes tonight .... every little helps.

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Re: Thursday 26th March

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A 54-46 margin for Cameron is actually pretty poor compared to how he usually scores in a "straight choice" with Ed. Backs up that EM actually "won" comfortably on the night :)
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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@ Spacedone

Goodnight. And to ohsocynical (if you're loitering). I'm not still up when you're going to bed, as a rule, and you always say night night to me!
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Goodnight, Grim x
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Looking at the #BattleForNumber10 trend on twitter, again very pro-Miliband.

Paxman and Burley's bias may well have done him big favours.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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LadyCentauria wrote:Goodnight, Grim x
And from me. This is a very strange feeling!
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Still not gone to bed... going to regret it in the morning...

Here's that new Labour election poster you wanted. It seems that we're not alone in thinking this would be a good idea. :D

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Re: Thursday 26th March

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diGriz wrote:Looking at the #BattleForNumber10 trend on twitter, again very pro-Miliband.

Paxman and Burley's bias may well have done him big favours.
It may well have done. People might have had their eyes opened a bit having seen the bias in the flesh, so to speak.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Goodnight, TGS
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Spacedone wrote:Still not gone to bed... going to regret it in the morning...

Here's that new Labour election poster you wanted. It seems that we're not alone in thinking this would be a good idea. :D

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Re: Thursday 26th March

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There is now reported to be a YouGov "quickie" showing a virtual tie - Cameron ahead of Miliband by just 51-49.

If the PM can only manage neck and neck on this stuff, he is in real bother - what was that about Crosby's "presidential" campaign?
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Ok last post of the night. I've snuck downstairs and Porfavor is cross with me...
Ben Page, Ipsos MORI ‏@benatipsosmori 4 mins4 minutes ago
Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Am I the last one here?
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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As always insightful stuff from AC on twitter.
That @David_Cameron team can waste so much time +energy trying to screw John Bercow shows 1. Nasty party. 2. Not focused on winning election
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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PorFavor wrote:Am I the last one here?
You don't know the late night job roles do you? You have to lay the table for breakfast, feed the cats, check whether we need a note for the milkman...
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Those American-isms - the "hell yeah" from Ed...he spent time there as a kid and then again from 2002-4 lecturing.

Hardly a surprise that he's picked some of these up. More likely than it coming from his media chap.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Spacedone wrote:Ok last post of the night. I've snuck downstairs and Porfavor is cross with me...
Ben Page, Ipsos MORI ‏@benatipsosmori 4 mins4 minutes ago
Miliband emerged with 53% cheers to 47% boos on Twitter. First time we've seen a politician emerge with more cheers than boos overall.
I spotted that too. Cameron lectured and the audience listened. It was very static. When Ed came on there were some hostile questions but he still interacted, had a conversation, rather than get defensive and as a result the audience became involved, they reacted. It was more enjoyable, Ed put on more of a show and judging by twitter that's what came across. Suddenly the whole "Mr Prime Minister" thing from the start of the show seemed so prim and unnecessarily formal. The oldies may prefer it, but Ed's much more likely to engage younger voters. If only all those people on twitter were to register and go out and vote it would really make a difference, but will they?
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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I think it's safe to go back to bed now where, hopefully, I won't worry the cat (as I did earlier).

Goodnight, everyone.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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PorFavor wrote:I think it's safe to go back to bed now where, hopefully, I won't worry the cat (as I did earlier).

Goodnight, everyone.
Goodnight, PF. I'm signing off.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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PorFavor wrote:Am I the last one here?
Nope, I, the ever-lurker, am lurking while I clean up after work and make some supper sarnies.

So don't worry, you aren't alone!
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Stuart Rose busy trying to justify the Cameron "refreshing and honest" on the serving only a second term bit.

Shame that Portillo is there to tell him that it's nonsense. There has to be a leadership election prior to 2020...it simply won't be the case that Cameron serves every day of the second term - even if he gets elected in May which isn't certain anyway.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Oh, Andrew Neil has just reminded us that Stuart Rose was supposed to deliver a report on the NHS - apparently he's been asked to do further work so it probably won't appear before the election.

Fancy that...
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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adam wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Am I the last one here?
You don't know the late night job roles do you? You have to lay the table for breakfast, feed the cats, check whether we need a note for the milkman...
... then muck out, groom, and feed the Guardvarks and help them on with their armour and boots before night patrol...
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Goodnight PF & cJA – sweet dreams x
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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@LadyCentauria

I'll pencil you in before bed, so a belated HB.
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Thanks utopiandreams :) x
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Re: Thursday 26th March

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Right, off home to bed, but I'll leave you with a little oddity - a Telegraph ode to bureaucracy!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/trave ... ravel.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't get your hopes up though, it is both an ode to a better past and a grumble about those damned Europeans. Made me smile though, especially as a couple of years ago we drove from Belgium into France, and rather wonderfully, the old border control buildings had been left across the motorway, so you had to slow momentarily, but still sped unimpeded between nations.
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